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Topic: Of Lions and Serpents: The Harry Potter Saga's True Symbolism? (iQ, Frozen Queen etc)
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Anemone
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posted March 05, 2011 04:11 AM
  
Since I posted on Eyes Wide Shut and it s message/symbolism, I was wondering about other pop culture movies/books that went on to cause great controversy for their occult context nonetheless...one prime example, and pretty much THE example, as it is themed and it deals directly with such matters, is Harry Potter.
I am not aware of J.K Rowling's knowledge of esoteric/occult matters, but the whole series is ripe with symbols, metaphors and messages...
One glaring example - the two most important 'Houses' in the school of Hogwarts - Gryffindor and Slytherin. Gryffindor for Lions (REd and Gold) and Slytherin for Serpents (Green and silver)
Now, Harry Potter (and most heroes of the saga) belong to Gryffindor, while Slytherin,the House with the worst "reputation" was the one where Lord Voldemort was placed and infamously mostly associated with dark arts.
Harry's nemesis at Hogwarts, famous slytherin, was DRACO Malfoy (mal foie=bad faith) whose father is LUCIUS (Lucifer?) Malfoy.
Hundred's of examples of symbolism, but the most glaring one, which you do not have to read and study all the books (as I did) to realise it, is the "battle" of the Houses...which leads me to iQ's and other members'account on Dragons/serpents and reptilians, in comparison with higher dimension beings, Lions.
I quote Harry Potter's famous last words to Lord Voldermort before he kills him and the dark wizard's (with a SERPENT like face!, a bodily form he acquired after he drank Harry's BLOOD among others!) question to him;Harry to Voldemort
'It's your one last chance,' said Harry, 'it's all you've got left ... I've seen what you'll be otherwise ... be a man ... try ... try for some remorse ...'
'You dare - ?' said Voldemort again.
'Yes, I dare,' said Harry, 'because Dumbledore's last plan hasn't backfired on me at all. It's backfired on you, Riddle.'
"Your mother died to save you. If there is one thing Voldemort cannot understand, it is love."
"Is it love again?" said Voldemort, his snake's face jeering.
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Mblake81
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posted March 05, 2011 10:34 AM
The problem I have with this post was stating that lions are higher up. A lion can be just as base as a snake. And a snake can fall out of a tree, and bite a lion on the neck. The battle is won by whomever is from above, in the methods they use, Light or Dark. Below is Below.
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Mblake81
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posted March 05, 2011 02:35 PM
The strength of both, would be ideal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UunqBAHBDo8 Yin and Yang, Both are inspirational to me. 1:38 is of interest to me, Inspirational for me. The fire snake should have ate harry. Then he would not have made that stupid move of walkiing up to dumbledore, like he could do anything. I despised that little sack of bones, But I also understand why dumbledore was protecting him. I just wish the snake would have ate him, that is all. Leave dumbledore alone, he was smart and has sense, at least. A King does not kill a King. But harry on the other hand.. ripe for the picking. Note: The glass dust should have done damage to the lungs and eyes. Then voldemorte should have vanished. Got you last. Got you where it hurts. IP: Logged |
Cancer/Scorpio729
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posted March 06, 2011 12:38 AM
When did Voldemort drink Harry's blood? I don't remember that. Do you mean when he took physical form again and Harry's blood was a necessary ingredient?IP: Logged |
Anemone
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posted March 06, 2011 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by Cancer/Scorpio729:
When did Voldemort drink Harry's blood? I don't remember that. Do you mean when he took physical form again and Harry's blood was a necessary ingredient?
Exactly, it was in the 4th book of the series...bear in mind that the movies ofte do not do justice to the books, I am referring strictly to the writer's original scenes - movies are the director's take on the storyline and they omit/change quite a few bits...
Concerning who is 'higher up'between serpents and lions, that depends on whether you believe the theories on different dimensions and reptilians/draconians...one can take a look at my previous thread on Eyes Wide Shut, several posters have commented on it...I am not saying whether I believe on these specific theories, I am examining if JK Rowling HERSELF makes such a reference - hence the title of the thread... IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted March 06, 2011 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Anemone:
Exactly, it was in the 4th book of the series...bear in mind that the movies ofte do not do justice to the books, I am referring strictly to the writer's original scenes - movies are the director's take on the storyline and they omit/change quite a few bits...
Concerning who is 'higher up'between serpents and lions, that depends on whether you believe the theories on different dimensions and reptilians/draconians...one can take a look at my previous thread on Eyes Wide Shut, several posters have commented on it...I am not saying whether I believe on these specific theories, I am examining if JK Rowling HERSELF makes such a reference - hence the title of the thread...
I do not care to attack or insult or confuse your point, I am simply stating mine. No need to feel threatened by me. IP: Logged |
Anemone
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posted March 06, 2011 08:41 AM
@Mblake81
Absolutely, I understood your point...  I was simply explaining mine to clarify that I wasn't stating a personal opinion but seeking to analyse Rowling's reasoning and patterns in the book...
I didn't feel threatened, I am still learning on symbolism and interpretation and every input is very interesting and helpful to me!
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Mblake81
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posted March 06, 2011 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Anemone:
@Mblake81
Absolutely, I understood your point... I was simply explaining mine to clarify that I wasn't stating a personal opinion but seeking to analyse Rowling's reasoning and patterns in the book...
I didn't feel threatened, I am still learning on symbolism and interpretation and every input is very interesting and helpful to me!
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Cancer/Scorpio729
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posted March 07, 2011 10:27 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if she did it on purpose (she did spend 8 years writing the first book) but why was it allowed to be published? Moreover, why did they make a movie out of it if the symbolism is so obvious? Maybe the basis of it's popularity was because of how much it resonated with everyone...?IP: Logged |
Frozen Queen
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posted March 07, 2011 08:52 PM
Because it is time for the Truth *smiles*IP: Logged |
SunChild
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posted March 07, 2011 10:30 PM
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