posted September 14, 2012 09:50 PM            

I was searching for truth when I found it and that's what they gave me as a starting point.

The inner self comes in and tells you if it's true. Your higher discerning intelligence comes in and leads the way. So yes, that book is absolutely true according to my higher intelligence and inner knowing. And if you would like to take any subject matter from the book and debate it's validity, Please do. Since you read it and you seem to know all about it and don't agree with it's stance. What don't you agree with? That book was presented to me by the masters themselves. They made sure I had that book in my hands and I believe anyone lucky enough to come across and and read it intently, they are indeed an old soul.

That book planted the seeds for the birth of the age of aquarius. Who eyes aren't open enough to see this? Everyone else after that time are merely following in ms blavatsky's foot steps. Taking what she wrote, and turing into their own words for their own satisfaction. I went straight to the source.

"Questions force answers, force deeper rational thought, and with such comes greater understanding, tangible spiritual decrement, and eventually wisdom"

Lol. You don't seem to know about christ consciousness and all it's glorious gifts, do you? It's called uniting the mind and heart. Not just listening to the the mind, but also the greater activities of the heart giving you full power over everything.

Besides, you have yet to present anything to argue about... you are just making things up as you go along. I never paid a dime for my master education.

Can you tell me what the purpose of life is.. Since you are so intelligent? Enlighten me! Mr or Ms deductive reasoning. What happens when you die? What's waiting for you? Where will you go? What is your purpose in life? And I mean your own individual purpose in life.

I get mad at myself for even wasting time in these type of convos.. You will neither see nor hear.

Questioning if the masters are real... hahahaha!

And you know, I get what saying about being skeptical.. but there is a point in time when the mind alone can no longer give you what you need to feel completion. And that's when you turn to your heart. And the heart gives and explains. And that's what I am trying to tell you. Some things don't need an explaination and can't be explained. Especially esoteric truth. There is no way it can be proved or told. Understood and felt yes. But told, never.

posted September 14, 2012 10:39 PM            

So I think Ill wait a few hours

posted September 15, 2012 02:25 AM            

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You don't have to respond. It's cool.

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Too late for that I'm afraid, you have perked my interest...

:::Response pending:::

... after sleeps!

posted September 15, 2012 08:15 AM            

I cannot say I have found Objective Evidence for the 4th Dimension but plenty of circumstantial evidence. Plenty of this is posted in my thread on "Proof of Reincarnation".

Simplest point is that DNA encodes information, and as per Second Law of Thermodynamics, we should degrade in intelligence in a closed loop of information input yet Humanity has become more technically intelligent. Thus, there has to be an "unseen" source of information input. This is the circumstantial evidence of the 4th and higher dimensions.

Circumstantial Evidence of ET Interference: Reverse Transcriptase does not exist in Natural Cells, the fundamental law of Earth DNA is that DNA can be read into RNA but RNA cannot write onto DNA. This enzyme was discovered in 1970 in certain virus [HIV], which did not exist for millenia but suddenly appear a few decades after the Roswell Crash.
No Reverse Transcriptase has been found in any fossilized remains.

Circumstantial Evidence of UFOs/Archons:
There is no allegorical writing attributed to individual authors before 800 BC. Ancients used to write whatever they saw innocently with the best description they could give from known knowledge. So fiery wheels in the sky taking up Ezekiel have to be UFOs.
Creatures from Smoke in Heaven give commandments to commit genocide, and voila, you have evidence of Archons.

It is all about connecting the dots of anomalous information

posted September 15, 2012 02:03 PM            

You miss the crux of the argument Ive been making all along, where as iQ is exactly on the money...

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I totally understand your POV Lei.
Yes, you can call whatever I have written as my own theory only, I do not wish top call it a Universal Truth.

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[EDIT: REMOVED PART OF POST - I felt like posting a retraction, I used abit too much zeal and dropped a cylon-logic bomb as usual lol, apologies]

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I get mad at myself for even wasting time in these type of convos.. You will neither see nor hear. Questioning if the masters are real... hahahaha!

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All I ask is that when you post, think of the "beginner", somebody who is simply coming to all of this information for the first time, how are they going to react to yours, or anyone elses posts? Shouldn't we all aim to be clear in our discernment of where we are coming from especially in relation to information that by its very nature is difficult to objectify but not impossible. Its simply laziness and misleading in my view to behave as if one is preaching to the choir.

iQ's post that he made in response to my call out is exactly the kind of "beginner" friendly posts I like to see. Its completely digestible to the rational mind while still disseminating really interesting information in relation from everything to UFOS, DNA and alternative dimensions theory, without alienating the reader into a position of blind acceptance of ascended master doctrine while nursing their intrigue, to perhaps look further into the data for themselves.

You think it arrogant of me perhaps that I deliver such judgment upon peoples posts? That my audacity in questioning peoples theories and revelations is unthinkable. Well before you nod your head in concordant self agreement, consider the possibility that I simply put myself into the mind of "the beginner" and therein act and questions all those who claim spiritual authority with the inquisitive nature of a child, not an enlightened being.

Would you deny a child the gift of rational discernment in favor of unquestionable ascended master/gods doctrine? Such is that path to ruin... and where do I begin with pointing to all of the problems that have plagued humanity with such gratuitous dispositions over the ages...

Well, you might want to check out some of my posts over on Divine Diversities when I break down the Bible until its rendered useless in any objective way...

Which brings me all the way to Helena Blavatsky.... which Ill get to very soon, although I feel like Ive already said more than enough for now.

::::Post pending on Blavatsky & Other things you mentioned::::

posted September 15, 2012 11:39 PM            

Its not a case of me saying that your own experiences with such are false. As I said previously you can say and believe anything you choose, my only concern is when I see subjective truths (which may be of a huge personal benefit to you yourself) being flaunted as the universal reality without a personal disclaimer for the benefit of the newbies & the unenlightened mortals such as myself

I know I'm a "hammer" on occasion, but sometimes it unfortunately takes such to make a point clear.

I hope you can atleast accept that without thinking ill of me for going to such lengths to explain my reasoning -nods-

You said I do not need to answer the rest of your post, however I feel you may be pleasantly surprised as regards what I have to say about Blavatsky and even my own subjective spiritual perspective that you were curious to know

Eh... I have already made notes and a draft of such...

posted September 16, 2012 04:05 AM            

As I stated previously in this thread, a book(s)/or whatever source of information is of the utmost importance to the validity of its contents. In the case of Blavatsky's theosophy, before even getting into the work itself, the reader is faced with two, if not three gratuitous suppositions that need to be accepted as true, which if not attested as such, cast an unending shadow over the contents of the works thereafter.

1: The Book of Dzyan ~ (comprising the Stanzas of Dzyan) is a reputedly ancient text of Tibetan origin and The Stanzas formed the basis for The Secret Doctrine (1888)

Madame Blavatsky claimed to have seen a manuscript of the Book of Dzyan while studying esoteric lore in Tibet. She claimed this and other ancient manuscripts were safeguarded from profane eyes by the initiates of an Occult Brotherhood.

In other references Blavatsky claimed the Book of Dzyan belonged to a group of Tibetan esoteric writings known as the Books of Kiu-Te. Blavatsky wrote before a standard transcription of Tibetan into the Latin alphabet had been agreed upon; it took some time to establish that she was referring to what modern scholars write as rGyud-sde, parts of a voluminous Buddhist corpus commonly referred to as the Tantras Other researchers have suggested a source in Chinese taoism or Jewish kabbala.

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2: Blavatsky claimed that its contents had been revealed to her by 'mahatmas' who had retained knowledge of mankind's spiritual history, knowledge that it was now possible, in part, to reveal.

Mohatma - The God: The Mohatma Idol is central to the religion, it is held by the Mohatma listener; someone that claims to hear and interpret the words of Mohatma... [There God]

The word, used in a technical sense, was popularized in theosophical literature in the late 19th century when Madame Helena Blavatsky, one of the founders of the Theosophical Society, claimed that her teachers were adepts or Mahatmas who reside in Asia.

According to the Theosophical teachings, the Mahatmas are not disembodied beings, but highly evolved people involved in overseeing the spiritual growth of individuals and the development of civilizations. Blavatsky was the first person in modern times to claim contact with these Adepts, especially the "Masters" Koot Hoomi and Morya.

3: Shamballah, that was believed by Theosophists to be "the spiritual center of the world and the original source of the secret doctrines of Theosophy" (Edwin Bernbaum, The Way to Shambhala, p. 20). Certain highly advanced "Masters" or "Mahatmas" (notably the Tibetan supermen Kuthumi and Morya El), from whom Blavatsky, A. P. Sinnett, and other early Theosophists claimed to receive telepathic revelations, were believed to dwell there. ~ crypt-of-cthulhu.com/lovecrafttheosophy.htm

Its this veiled 1, 2, 3, combination of ancient book of secret lore revealed only to the chosen, and the meeting and correspondence with an "Spiritual Adept" whom is in communion with an ancient source of esoteric knowledge (A god) .

This is the perfect defense that talented authors dream of in other be able to put forward theories they know are incredibly controversial. This is why I laughed when you mentioned Blavatsky and said I preferred Lovecraft's version (personal taste mind you), since he created whats grown into a Mythos that rivals if not surpasses Blavatsky in its universal acclaim. Which at its core (while sometimes using Theosophy sources) is hinged around encounters with cosmic gods, forbidden knowledge, and channeled tomes from the beyond i.e: The Necronomicon of the "Mad Arab" Abdul Alhazred.

Blavatsky's laudable and strategic ambiguity, where when ultimately questioned and traced to its roots, leads to realms unknown where subjectivity rules on high, and one must simply take "their" word for it. I feel Ive ranted at length about my issues with such presuppositions as regards this form of truth dissemination already, not going to reiterate that again. But to simply accept her works as truth is rank with intellectual dishonesty.

This does not necessarily render such works false by default, instead in my view it renders them objectively indemonstrable until shown to be otherwise. However in each instance where something of the secret doctrine does hold true to an objective revelation/observation, let that not therein render its entirety to be true by a such weak deduction. Everything must be examined on its own merits.

Nonetheless I actually like her writings for two reasons...

1: She translated into English and strung together many esoteric traditions from the east into the western world and presented such as best as any one human probably could. That in itself is a commendable feet. (However let that not be the merit by which we judge the validity of its actual truth content)

2: Her own tome of secret doctrine became a corner stone, and platform for much of the 20th centuries, fantasy and fiction writers who really done much better jobs of inserting esoterica into the public zeitgeist: Quite a dynamic and colorful figure in her day, Madame Blavatsky managed to synthesize an occult metaphysics that has fueled the imagination of generations of those who, in Ouspensky's phrase, are "in search of the miraculous" ~ [Robert M Price]

Believe anything ye like, but do not come to me waving a banner of unquestionable truth!

:::Post... possibly pending on some more ramblings soon::::

posted September 17, 2012 10:33 AM            

From studying Jung & Freud, and following theories such as David Bohm's and neurophysiology Karl Pribram's, holographic universe theory. One can inductively entertain such without having to direct ones rational mind to the realms of the insane.

However here is my problem, its like what I read you posted over on DD as regards someone using the writings of a cornflakes box as justifiable scripture for murder (clever btw).

If we allow telepathic messages to be a measure of truth, and using such to the assert as a reality, whatever that message is carrying! Without any demonstrable or rational deduction as to its validity...

Well we are entering into a world where one could declare that: (I know that you yourself are not suggesting this, well I hope not anyhow ) : Because this person is in contact with Sirius/Tibet/Yuggoth whatever... they speak the truth!

No.. Fraking.... Way... will I ever let that fly, which is actually a sort of revert to the very first post in this thread where the GFL are a prime example of the misuse and derangement of people making such claims

posted September 17, 2012 11:48 AM            

Why are you focusing on the messengers when you should be focusing on the message?! You are wasting time with this, seriously. It will never be proved to you on a rational level so you can just forget it.

I don't like it when you are insulting those who are trying to help humanity. It's one thing to be skeptical, but just because you don't sense these things doesn't mean they aren't real! That's one thing you need to learn. Human beings have the ability to raise their consciousness to very high levels and just because you haven't reached that level doesn't mean its not real. So please stop this and focus on your own souls evolution!

posted September 17, 2012 12:32 PM            

How can you overlook that fact?

Look at the Bible, often the best intentions/messages can lead to ruin. So in my opinion, shouldn't we learn from the past. We do not need a flurry of new Yahweh's or Metatrons adding to the soup.

While things could start of lovely and sweet, what would you do if after 100 years of messages they suddenly went completely dark and demanded genocide on a certain people to save the earth, and you just happened to be in that said denomination on the chopping block..

How would you cope with convincing everyone else (And be damn sure that after 100 years their followers could be in the tens of millions) that they cant be right, not on this. When for 100 years they have brought nothing but love and light into the world!

Giving someone that power to dictate messages from the beyond is a gross miscalculation.

For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo

Aum Shinrikyo/Aleph is a syncretic belief system that incorporates Asahara's idiosyncratic interpretations of Yoga with facets of Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, and the writings of Nostradamus.[2] In 1992 Asahara published a book, within which he declared himself "Christ",[3]

[i]Aum Shinrikyo (currently known as Aleph) is a Japanese cult, listed as a terrorist organization by several countries. The group was founded by Shoko Asahara in 1984. The group gained international notoriety in 1995, when it carried out the Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway.

The name "Aum Shinrikyo" (オウム真理教 Ōmu Shinrikyō?) derives from the Sanskrit syllable Aum, which represents the universe, followed by Shinrikyo written in kanji, roughly meaning "religion of Truth". In English "Aum Shinrikyo" is usually translated as "Supreme Truth". In January 2000, the organization changed its name to Aleph in reference to the first letter of the Arabic alphabet, Hebrew alphabet and Phoenician alphabets. It changed its logo as well.

Your cool with allowing things like this to take a foot hold in a rational world?

posted September 17, 2012 12:48 PM            

Yes the bible has deceived many many people. The biggest crime is that they blind them with faith. They feel the faith and beauty in their hearts but they are missing the mind and the intelligence. That's why when I read the bible when I was young, I couldn't take it literally. I knew something was missing and I decided to search for it and I found it. The bible gives everything but the power of the mind. They want humanity to stay dumbed down.

So it doesn't matter who these messengers are as they don't have the same agenda as the the evil people who are ruling humanity. Yes there are some people out there who think they know the truth and decieve others but we have to be intelligent and understand what is true and what isn't with not just our minds but also with our hearts.

And what I know is true is that Blavatsky was right. I don't care for the other's after her because I wasn't led to them.

Ask your higher self to come forth through your mind to help you discern what is true and what isn't. You might be very suprised with the power it gifts you.

posted September 17, 2012 01:20 PM            

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1: I never said she done anything wrong!

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I don't like it when you are insulting those who are trying to help humanity. It's one thing to be skeptical, but just because you don't sense these things doesn't mean they aren't real!

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2: If its wrong to critically examine the source of philosophical belief system, then one soils the name of Hypatia of Alexandria who done just that and paid for it with her life. And She was one of Blavatsky's favorite neoplatonic scholars!

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What have any of these messengers done wrong? NOTHING! The only thing that wrong is you trying to prove them wrong or whatever it is you are trying to prove. Wasting time!

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3: I'm not trying to prove them wrong, if you read carefully I complete left the door open for anyone to provide demonstrable proof that everything they have said is TRUE!

I would like people to engage in some rational assessment, savvy?

posted September 17, 2012 01:36 PM            

Trading one dogma for another...

posted September 17, 2012 01:43 PM            

The truth isn't a human belief. Rise up! You can do it!

The human may think the truth is just another human belief, but my higher self knows it's not a belief and that its the truth and it's real and it's the only thing that's real after all the facades are removed.

posted September 17, 2012 02:31 PM            

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athenegoddess:
Hmm.. No.. because that's where we differ.. I don't have human beliefs. None.
The truth isn't a human belief. Rise up! You can do it!

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If you have no human beliefs or values, you reject your very nature, for you are a human are you not?

posted September 17, 2012 02:34 PM            

Ever feel like this place isn't right? Something about it isn't right.. you know? That is our higher self calling us to come home.

posted September 17, 2012 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
We think we are human. But we are pure spiritual beings having a human experience. Because when we leave our bodies, all that is left is our soul and that is what we must connect to whilst having a human experience if we are to rise above the lower qualities that aren't truly us. Because this human experience is a mere dream.

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You have no demonstrable basis for the transfer of your subjective belief system in any constructive way that does not require a intellectually dishonest leap of faith...

All though I'm open to you proving otherwise, if you can you will have engaged your human brain in a rational cognitive way thus reconnecting yourself with the humanity you seem to so reject!

Btw your working from the supposition I know nothing of spirituality Your attempts to school me in such, while I do not reject them, I assure you are not necessary -nods-

Yet even if I where to subjectively tell you of my own spirituality, its completely useless to you since its my own personal reality.

You have demonstrated that you reject many rational concepts in favor of irrational frame works of dealing with the human world you/we live in, whether it be temporal or otherwise...

Perhaps its just your rejection of human beliefs and value systems that has caused your now feelings of being detach from reality which I sense emanating from your post such as the below quote...

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Ever feel like this place isn't right? Something about it isn't right.. you know?

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Id prefer not to engage in psychoanalysis of you Athene, I don't feel its adding anything objective to the topic of this conversation which is channeled messages, theosophy ectera...

But I charge 500 bucks an hour if you are interested, currently booked out with Theosophists though for at-least the next 6 months, sry