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iQ
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posted August 25, 2013 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/08/23/why-i-am-no-longer-a-light-worker/

Hope this awakens everyone who is suffering under the spell of the new age channeling duffers [and liars] who have promised all kinds of wonders in the last 30 years, without any results.

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posted August 25, 2013 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thank the heavens i read this here and you posted it!

Incredible how many people are fooled by these things, and even pay money to get there 'own channeling'....like seriously give me a break!?! (i confronted one of those people by email last year, and naturally such he's "God's spokesman' and i'm going to ruin his $300 per each idiot he could catch, i was the devil ...that felt good though!)

so yes thank you for posting this IQ, good to know there are sane people on this forum

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posted August 26, 2013 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem with belief in a multi-dimensional “conspiracy” is that how do we know that this aritcle in not part of that conspiracy. The 'demiurge' could have devised a cunning way to bring the more discerning and skeptical into their fold. As the article says - 'the false light beings are amazingly skilled liars and manipulators'. Perhaps the writer too has been duped.

So, what's the test?

The final words. "it is vitally important to sever all ties with the false-light “spiritual” liar-archy, take some time to regain energy and strength if necessary, and ask your Divine Inner Self to reveal to you what it is that you specifically need to do." are encouraging, but again these could be carefully contrived to have one fall into a third, outside the demiurge group, but a group for its use nonetheless.

The author calls this "Divine agent' as opposed to lightworker. More of the same?

You see, conspiracy theories can be self-defeating. Who does one trust?

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posted August 26, 2013 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very good points Astro Keen!
I would suggest we create our own test protocols to assess.
A very good way to prove that the Channeling Industry is fraudulent: Internet Archives.
If we look up the channeled messages from the Mt Shasta groups since 1998, nearly every promise of theirs has failed to materialize.
So many claim to channel Archangel Michael, so why are there inconsistent messages from the same Entity?

At the same time, many Christian New Agers claim to heal in Jesus Name but his Name was not Jesus, it is Yeshuhuah bin Yosef. So what is the healing going on here? Why don't they heal in the name of the Father of Jesus in any case?

I read a very good anti-New Age article by Don Bradley, giving excellent points on how the False Light team works but the same man then goes on to quote from the Old Testament, shamelessly ignoring the Demiurge's command to assault and butcher hundreds of thousands of women and children.

Yoga and Kundalini Meditation provide clear methods of Spirirutal Growth beyond the Demiurge's grip but hundreds of fake Yoga Masters abound, and spoil the name of Yoga by indulging in abuse of Ashram people. Many Kundalini Realized people too have lost their way.

Ultimately, it is up to each Individual Soul to carve her or his own Path. But we will save our internal energy by avoiding known pitfalls, such as the traps of the Demiurge and his New Age channeling department.

My own theory is that the ones most oppressed by the powerful ruling classes usually have the best spiritual answers. That is why I hold the Essenes/Gnostics, Native Americans and South Asian Tribals [100% non-Brahmin Saivites] in very high esteem.

Another clue, the most sincere teachers give the knowledge away for free. Samael Aun Weor is an example. He gave away all his copyrights so that Humanity can have access to his discoveries.
http://www.gnosiscentral.com/englishbooks/Pistis_Sophia_Unveiled.pdf

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posted August 27, 2013 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hard to know what to believe with so much disinformation.

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posted August 27, 2013 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:

I would suggest we create our own test protocols to assess......

Another clue, the most sincere teachers give the knowledge away for free. Samael Aun Weor is an example. He gave away all his copyrights so that Humanity can have access to his discoveries.
http://www.gnosiscentral.com/englishbooks/Pistis_Sophia_Unveiled.pdf


Thanks for the link iQ. This is new to me and there's a lot to digest. I personally hold Sri Aurobindo's teachings in high regard. Many of the best seers have moved on and one can't get their views on current state of things. Would have loved to have heard of his views on new age spirituality. I believe there is a lot out there which is authentic and represents the divine, channellings even. Neale Donald Walsch is a case in point.

Someone called Snow made this comment to the Cameron aritcle -

"My question to you is this: Why WERE sincere seekers of the divine, or truly divine agents, allowed to be so thoroughly hoodwinked? If you truly seek the source, with the purest of intentions, how can you be trapped and denied that connection, then redirected to feed that old system? Even if you accept the corrupt demiurge theory, there still has to be something above and beyond that demiurge that ALLOWED this travesty to happen – and that’s just not okay with me. What was the point of any of this? And while yes, I see the truth now & have gone beyond the duality game, beyond the desire for any religion or saviors – I don’t feel like I’ve grown for having experienced it. I just feel used, betrayed, and confused as to why it was ‘necessary’ to have endured in the first place. "

I too would feel the same if the demiurge story were true. I am not convinced that it is.

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posted August 27, 2013 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love&Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Astro keen:
Someone called Snow made this comment to the Cameron aritcle -

"My question to you is this: Why WERE sincere seekers of the divine, or truly divine agents, allowed to be so thoroughly hoodwinked? If you truly seek the source, with the purest of intentions, how can you be trapped and denied that connection, then redirected to feed that old system? Even if you accept the corrupt demiurge theory, there still has to be something above and beyond that demiurge that ALLOWED this travesty to happen – and that’s just not okay with me. What was the point of any of this? And while yes, I see the truth now & have gone beyond the duality game, beyond the desire for any religion or saviors – I don’t feel like I’ve grown for having experienced it. I just feel used, betrayed, and confused as to why it was ‘necessary’ to have endured in the first place. "

I too would feel the same if the demiurge story were true. I am not convinced that it is.


Havn't read the above link yet. Will do after I am back from work. But this sounds
just like what I felt when I realised that some persons in the spiritual world simply misguide knowingly or unknowingly. I went through years of asking myself "Why?" And what I learnt was this -

We learn our lessons and move on. These lessons specially the deeply hurting ones give us a life time teaching which we carry forward even in next incarnations. Then we won't resonate to such people and will be free and purified enough to match the frequency of the higher beings. Remember the gold through fire theory? Rising the hard way. But then there are no short cuts are there? Even after we receive HIS GRACE we are sent back on the turf. I always wondered why and after thinking and re-thinking and letting the question brew what I discovered was -

1) For Purification
2) For being an inspiration to others/Setting an example/Guiding directly or indirectly.

Just what I learnt.

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posted August 28, 2013 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe the best way to know true wisdom and enlightenment from false is the humility of the one its coming from, a true servant realizes they are a servant and are not above anyone else. They will not allow others to put them above anyone else. Jesus wanted us to know we were all one with God, he taught we could all be just like him(Jesus) as he personified what we could be and what we could do if we chose to love instead of fear. Jesus taught he was model for us, not that he was superior to us! He taught that what he was, we are to.
A truly inspired person will want no personal glory or gain, they speak what they are inspired to speak out of love and a desire to help all to find the love of God inside themselves and they dont need anything beyond themselves to find God! They are really the quiet, mild, meek ones who might be overlooked at first because they don't desire to be seen, they desire to inspire through love not glory. The things they say have no showy display just a calm truth.

They will realize God is in all of us equally and want others to wake up to there own glory, so we can work together to change our world. There is no desire for personal glory because they realize glorifying a man would go against the higher purpose of reconnecting humanity and helping all see we are the same, only difference is that we are unique expressions of God's energy, but we are all Gods energy equally. Only someone who didnt see this would want personal glory, personal glory would be a separating energy not a connecting energy in that it puts one man above another....thats not something inspired by love, its inspired by the ego.
If we are all one, we must look at each other the same way God looks at us...as the pure and perfect soul God made us that is meant to be a vessel God uses to show his pure love. Then help others to shine in the way God meant them to shine, doing this increases all of our energy vibrations....this shows Gods thinking not mans.

Matthew 6:5-6

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5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

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posted August 29, 2013 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed about servant leadership and humility.

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posted August 29, 2013 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
I believe the best way to know true wisdom and enlightenment from false is the humility of the one its coming from, a true servant realizes they are a servant and are not above anyone else.....

A truly inspired person will want no personal glory or gain, they speak what they are inspired to speak out of love and a desire to help all to find the love of God inside themselves and they dont need anything beyond themselves to find God! They are really the quiet, mild, meek ones who might be overlooked at first because they don't desire to be seen, they desire to inspire through love not glory. The things they say have no showy display just a calm truth.
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Gabby, what you have said makes very good sense. Indeed along a continuum of people who represent divinity, the quite, meek and loving must be the truest. However, since divinity gets expressed through human forms and minds, the expression cannot but be coloured or tainted in some respect, or the systems but in place around them be less than desirable. Of the few people whom I've met and liked very much, I would like to mention Thich Nat Hahn. Humility and calm gentility is his way, but remaining unknown is not an option. Amma, the Hugging Mother, too is admirable in many ways, however both of these are too distant and protected as hordes of people seek their attention. There are many more whom one has come to know through their writings and You Tube appearances - now an inescapable medium of communication.

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posted August 30, 2013 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On hearing of dark side conspiracies, which are said to masquerade as the spiritual and use every ruse to entrap and deceive, one can reach a point of questioning everything and believing nothing - an impossible state of affairs. Then I begin to wonder if I am but a pawn, a part of a grand experiment, or a lab rat at worst. Why is there a war in the first place and which side is winning? Even if free will can not be restricted in any way, should not the playing field at least have clear markers for safe boundaries? What cruelty and imperfect existence is this? Why must a price be exacted? Who is my higher self; is it really a step away from the divine? Am I being deceived into thinking that it is safe to tune into my higher self? Who am I? Can I trust my own perceptions and my mind?

So, can we continue to question everything, this culminating in doubting the goodness of God and our connection with him? No, we cannot - to subject everything to doubt is not philosophically valid. It is a position that initially Descartes adopted with his argument for an all powerful evil deceiver, who is capable of deceiving us even through our perceptions.

Firstly, it is impossible to doubt everything. To raise the possibility of error in the simplest ideas would make all thought impossible. I must be able to accept the fundamental intuitions of my intellect, such as I exist or that 2 and 2 makes 4 – in other words basic perception and reason. So, I can be certain of my own existence and my ability to test propositions through reasoning. And I am not dependent on others to support me in this endeavour.

Basically, if I can rely on reasoning, and my own perceptions, then I can check on the validity of all propositions. And these include theories of global conspiracies.

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Has anyone ever thought of "as above, so below" when it comes to channeling? This is a new take on the whole thing. How many of us here want to be heard, want to have power, want to control, want to influence others, want to be the messenger, want to write the history books, want to get attention, want to help others? Can this be taking place at a higher level also? It's very easy for those entities who want to channel energy through humans to deceive the vehicle which delivers the message. How do we know a message is coming directly from the source cited, even? It could be a copy of a copy of a copy, channeled through numerous vehicles of deception, so in the end the message gets all garbled up, and the so called channel wants to be the one who gets credit delivering it to everyone else. I don't know, really. I am the biggest skeptic on the planet - the asteroid for skepticism is on my ascendant (don't ask me which one - I forget the name but I remember looking it up once - maybe IQ knows). I know for a fact that when we all tap into the connection we have with ourselves, there can be no question about the channeling we do, because we are all capable of having a pure connection to who we really are at our highest vibrational levels, and then there is no reason to channel anything other than ourselves, which is what we do naturally anyway. And you don't have to be religious, new age, or spiritual or take workshops, to be able to do this. You just have to find yourself and be true to yourself.

The real gift that comes from opening our minds to exploring channeled material is that it gets us closer to knowing what we are capable of doing and creating in our own lives. Nothing can harm us if we decide this - we control ourselves, only ourselves, and no others. The problem comes when we don't know ourselves, we don't trust ourselves, we aren't true to ourselves, then we bring confusion and mistrust into our experience. Everything has value, for someone, somewhere, at some point in time, even if it is to point them in a different direction or to confirm that they are on a different path. If we see the divinity in everything and understand our own potential, nothing can harm us and we can use all that exists to help us on our ever-changing, ever-evolving journey.

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posted September 01, 2013 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

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posted September 04, 2013 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Gabby, what you have said makes very good sense. Indeed along a continuum of people who represent divinity, the quite, meek and loving must be the truest. However, since divinity gets expressed through human forms and minds, the expression cannot but be coloured or tainted in some respect, or the systems but in place around them be less than desirable. Of the few people whom I've met and liked very much, I would like to mention Thich Nat Hahn. Humility and calm gentility is his way, but remaining unknown is not an option. Amma, the Hugging Mother, too is admirable in many ways, however both of these are too distant and protected as hordes of people seek their attention. There are many more whom one has come to know through their writings and You Tube appearances - now an inescapable medium of communication.

I agree, being human means we will not perfectly reflect the light of spirituality. The reason i say the more truly enlightened a person is the less they are going to be putting themselves out there to be seen isnt because they have a desire to isolate themselves, its because they realize there is always more work to be done and that work requires quiet introspection. A person truly working for enlightenment is doing it quietly for themselves while realizing they can help humanity so much more by being able to bring the universal vibration higher through what they've learned than they can by becoming known for special abilities.
Jesus clearly showed its nearly impossible to become someone with seemingly special gifts or talents, like Jesus someone who performed miracles, without people wanting to idolize the man and think its that man who's special. Jesus message was that we were not any different than him, but we could only become like him if we chose to follow his example, not by glorifying him for his gifts.
He was giving a perfect model for us to follow but people chose to see him as a God instead of listening to him saying we were no different than him and he was one with God, meaning we are ALL one with God, just like him and capable of everything he was.
His message wasnt getting across to all people because they wanted to idealize him rather than seeing it was the process of thought and how he lived that allowed Gods energy to flow through him even as a man, and that was what was so important. Through example he taught that it was possible to overcome fear of man, replacing it with a trust and love that opens all of us up to the God energy thats inside us.

Enlightened people will realize the masses won't fully understand their message, not because anyone is wrong or right but because spiritual awakening is a very personal, quiet introspective process....
When people flock to 'a person' for healing instead of learning how that person opened themselves up to God's healing energy and then following the example in order to become the healer for themselves, they are missing the point of having spiritual leaders.
Both the leaders and the followers must realize, we are trying to reunite as one, a whole, we are not separating ourselves through abilities to establish who's better than who! Everyone is equal, because one gets something before another doesnt mean they are better, it means they chose or allowed to free themselves of incorrect thought process that tainted their view and opened a door for the rest to use what they learned to grow along with them.
Only the ego gets fed through glory, the soul gets fed through the understanding of the deeper consciousness that connects us all.
I hope i dont sound argumentative, i definitely didnt mean it like that...just expressing my opinion for whatever its worth! I enjoy hearing everyone's opinion on these things because we all have such unique opinions that make good sense...it helps me to stay away from thinking i have the only 'right way' of thinking! I really appreciate that!

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posted September 04, 2013 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Gabby

Agreed. To be open minded and subject ideas and beliefs to inquiry and discussion is the way to go. I fully assert my right to do so, and, in the face of the strange beliefs and deceiving systems, my mind is what I must rely on.

To anyone who warns that it is a sin to question 'God", I would say it is either that or blind belief. If blind belief then you lose the means to distinguish between God, silly man and demon, and fall prey to all sorts of false ideas that get thrown at you.

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posted September 04, 2013 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@ Gabby

Agreed. To be open minded and subject ideas and beliefs to inquiry and discussion is the way to go. I fully assert my right to do so, and, in the face of the strange beliefs and deceiving systems, my mind is what I must rely on.

To anyone who warns that it is a sin to question 'God", I would say it is either that or blind belief. If blind belief then you lose the means to distinguish between God, silly man and demon, and fall prey to all sorts of false ideas that get thrown at you.


Very good point Astro keen! I feel bad for the people that get trapped in thinking they have the only 'right' way to believe, they are missing the best things about life, love and spirituality, the beauty of it all is in its individuality and getting to see others expressions when they are different from ours!
I think its funny how its so obvious how different we all are in every aspect of our lives, but yet when it comes to spirituality some people want to think there is only one path and we all must walk it exactly as some person said we should and if you dont your judged as being wrong.
It seems common sense that if we come in so many different shapes and sizes that we would need at least that many different options for spirituality. A path to fit each of us individually that allows us to know ourselves and express ourselves through the energy God put in us personally.
But, the path of judgement is just another path that fits into some peoples needs and serves a purpose for them, so i dont want to criticize or judge any path, but it does kind of make me laugh! In the end all paths lead to God even if we cant see or understand the connection ourselves.

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posted September 05, 2013 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good points from you both.

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posted September 10, 2013 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Randall

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posted September 12, 2013 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks IQ, I have long felt that so much out there is just garbage. Whether demiurge or whatever, it is still wise to "not follow leaders" since in whatever dimension it seems power corrupts...

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posted September 15, 2013 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astro Keen, wasnt there a book you mentioned....i came back to look for the name of the book again and i cant find your posts that mentioned the books name? I guess they got deleted during the crash, could you re-post the name?

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posted September 15, 2013 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Gabby,

Here's a link to it: http://www.amazon.com/Enlightenment-Aint-What-Its-Cracked/dp/1846946743

Yah, a real pity to lose your posts.

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posted September 15, 2013 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you!

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Thanks for re-posting.

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