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posted March 25, 2014 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eveything in life and life itself, happens but once.
Remember The Golden Rule.
“You only go around once, but if you play your cards right, once is enough.”
Frank Sinatra

To help you understand better,here are a few definitions.

Karma is the sum of a person’s actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as affecting their future fates. (ie the effects of a person's actions that determine his destiny in his next incarnation)
The origin of this word is from the Sanskrit karman which means ‘action _ effect _ fate’.

Reincarnation is the rebirth of a soul in a new body.
Incarnation is a spirit embodied in a living human from.
To incarnate is to be invested in a bodily form.
The origin of this word is from the Latin in- carn- which means ‘into’ ‘flesh’.

Reincarnation is a necessary adjunct to Karma.

This is because incomplete punishment for a person’s evil deeds in this life will be completed in future lives.How else would punishment for the evil deeds of Pol Pot and Idi Amin be justly meted out as these two persons died peacefully in ripe old age.
It is believed that reincarnation takes place at conception or when the baby is in the womb or at birth.

Theory explains phenomena.

A phenomenon is a fact that is observed to exist or happen.
A theory is a system of ideas intended to explain phenomena.
Consistency is a harmonious agreement amongst things or parts without contradictions.
If a phenomenon contradicts a theory, then the theory is inconsistent and is probably false.
If this phenomenon is consistent with another theory, then the second theory should replace the first theory.

Reincarnation is a theory to explain the phenomena of persons being able to recall events experienced by individuals who have died.
The strongest evidence supporting the theory of reincarnation is from the work of Ian Stevenson who documented numerous cases of children ‘recalling’ historical events and relatives of deceased individuals. Some of these amazing claims have been corroborated.
Ref: Old Souls, the scientific evidence for past lives by Tom Shroder.

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posted March 25, 2014 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reincarnation contradicts the phenomenon of mediums invoking the spirit of the dead.

Reincarnation cannot explain how temple mediums are able to invoke the spirits of the departed.
If the spirit of the departed has already reincarnated into another body, how can it also appear in the temple medium??

Spirit possession theory explains all these phenomena.

To possess is to have complete power over.
The origin of this word is from the Latin possidere which means ‘occupy, hold’.
Spirit possession is the state of being under complete control of a spirit.

Spirit possession can explain explain how temple mediums are able to invoke the spirits of the departed. It can also explain how some persons are able to accurately recall events experienced by individuals who have long since died.
A definite case of spirit possession is described by Roy Stemman about a Thai Buddhist monk who was born one day before his previous body died. This case cannot be explained by reincarnation because it would mean that the baby was born without a spirit and remained without a spirit for one day.
The logical explanation is that the baby was already born with an original spirit. One day after birth, his body became inhabited or possessed by another spirit.
(Reincarnation, Amazing True Cases From Around The World by Roy Stemman.

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posted March 25, 2014 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The spirit that possesses the body of a person suppresses the expression of the original spirit of that person. I believe all possessing spirits are evil, otherwise they would not possess.
The Holy Spirit does not possess. On the contrary, the Holy Spirit renders a person free to choose.
A medium is a person who claims to be able to communicate between the dead and the living.
Temple mediums appear to be able to summon the spirit of the departed. They go into a trance, as if possessed, before they appear to talk like the deceased person. I believe that the demonic spirit which has possessed the departed individual was invited by the medium to speak through the medium.
Yoga, meditation, which involves a process of emptying oneself of logic and reason, is a ploy by Satan to deceive the devotee into preparing himself as fertile ground for demon possession.
Demon possession is evil because it enslaves and suppresses the free will of the individual.

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The theory of spirit possession is able to explain all the phenomena attributed to the theory of reincarnation as well as explain the phenomenon of invoking the spirits of the departed.
Because of this,The theory of reincarnation is considered as redundant, unnecessary and even false.
As the theory of reincarnation is open to question, it then follows that the theory of karma is also open to question.
As the theories of reincarnation and karma form the foundations of Hinduism, Buddhism and New Age, then these systems of belief are also open to question.

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posted March 25, 2014 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then what is the purpose of the theory of reincarnation?
The purpose is deception.
Deception means to deliberately mislead or misrepresent the truth; to swindle, hoax, cheat, dupe, fool, or entrap.Nirvana is a deception hatched by Satan/fallen angels and his fellow demonic spirits
The demonic spirit believes that by doing good works it can seek Gods favor
in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.on entry into the kingdom of heaven, these demons, under the leadership of Satan, will, once again, attempt to overthrow Gods kingdom.

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Since the demonic spirit is unable to do good deeds in the spirit form, it needs to incarnate ( to become invested in a bodily form) by possessing the body of some unsuspecting person in order to do good deeds.
Hence it needs to ‘re-incarnate’.
‘Reincarnation’ does not occur with the original spirit of an individual. ‘Reincarnation’ occurs with demonic spirits. They hop from body to body, possessing and suppressing the original spirit within each new body.

Source- http://peace-of-mind.net/hinduism.htm

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posted March 25, 2014 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find it laughable when Biblical Fundamentalists rant against Humanistic Religions like Buddhism and Vedanta. It is ok if they squabble with Islamists but insane to pick on peaceful religions.

If Satan inspired Vedas, Buddha and Buddhism, then he is definitely fit to rule the Christian Heaven because the "god" worshipped by Bible thumpers (like the author of the website from which the above content was posted ) ordered the genocide of every man, woman, child and unborn baby of the Amalekites and the Cannanites and many many tribes.

I think Satan is better than any "god" that orders a spear to pierce even the womb of a pregnant woman. It is written in the Bible, I am not making it up.

The same "god" who then permits Adolph Hitler to decimate 6 million jews during WW2.

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Putting Religious Sentiments aside,
I dont think that a human soul can ever reach the stage of ultimate perfection,without nourishing the virtues of compassion,empathy,kindness,love, honesty towards fellow human beings,here and now!
Virtue is excellence at being human.
I just find it so cruel, to have to say that certain things are justified just because it is beyond our own understanding by turning a blind eye towards those who are less fortunate.Does that make us wise in any way?It is believed that everyone gets what he or she deserves in life. There is no mercy towards the less fortunate because it is believed that they had bad karma in their past life or lives.

As hypnosis can be used in refreshing forgotten memories of one’s past, facts that are no longer available to the conscious memory, in the same way can it be used for evoking information heard from other people read in books, or seen in movies, in which the subject of hypnosis is involving himself as participant. His subconscious memory has kept this information stored and hypnosis determines its use in a completely fictitious scenario.This is an induced phenomenon called cryptoamnesia.

Belief in Reincarnation Tied to Memory Errors
://www.livescience.com/7272-belief-reincarnation-tied-memory-errors.
The article ends with the following statement-
“We suspect that this might be kind of a psychological buffering mechanism against the fear of death.”

Reincarnation, as suspected,teaches its believers, Death is not to be feared because you just get born into another body, taking wisdom that you have gathered in your previous life or lives.

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The spirit of deceased does not reincarnated immediately. Some do return quickly but most take some time out of this planet...so no problem with mediums there.

It is also worth noting that it is unlikely the WHOLE spirit is embodied in any one lifetime...so again, medium contact is hardly impossible.

No there is no proof that can't be challenged...in either direction! That I know of, anyway

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posted March 26, 2014 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are we really reincarnated, or are we merely invoking/summoning the concept and belief, in order to link ourselves to what has come before us??
And those who are on the other side or indeed already reincarnated reserve the right not to answer a mediums call at all.Only our current incarnation could be summoned as is done in hypnosis, if it is true. Either that, or they just might not come if at all they are reincarnated.

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I wish a dog, being a mans best friend,that can see and hear spirits more clearly than a medium does, answer what merit it earned in its previous life to have to be born in its current form.Or did it earn any merit at all, roaming on the streets and left asunder?
Utter Disregard for humanity is only due to the false notion that the world where we live in, is but an illusion.
Really is that so?
We need to ask those who were victimised, if all the pain that they ever went through for no fault of theirs, has got to do with their own imagination?Does that mean that a sane human is supposed to not grieve for the lost one?if they do so,they are ought to feel guilty?Or are they victims of an impersonal gods wrath?if so which one of those millions of deities?Are they so jealous of each other to have to cause destruction upon their own worshipper...And those who question the credentials, are meant to be persecuted arent they?
Wishful thinking can only do as much as to numb the pain and subdue your fears.Positive Thinking on the other hand, helps to confront the truth and overcome ones fears.

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posted March 26, 2014 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
I find it laughable when Biblical Fundamentalists rant against Humanistic Religions like Buddhism and Vedanta. It is ok if they squabble with Islamists but insane to pick on peaceful religions.

If Satan inspired Vedas, Buddha and Buddhism, then he is definitely fit to rule the Christian Heaven because the "god" worshipped by Bible thumpers (like the author of the website from which the above content was posted ) ordered the genocide of every man, woman, child and unborn baby of the Amalekites and the Cannanites and many many tribes.

I think Satan is better than any "god" that orders a spear to pierce even the womb of a pregnant woman. It is written in the Bible, I am not making it up.

The same "god" who then permits Adolph Hitler to decimate 6 million jews during WW2.



Yes iq, the truth is, precisely the belief in the 'All Impersonal One' that caused hitler to commit all the grave crimes, if you choose to believe it.
It is precisely the belief in the Blind and Erroneous Reincarnation Theory propogated by the ARYAN CENTRIC NAZI CULT that lead to
such a Grave impact in the history of humanity.ARYAN CULT IS EMBODIED IN THE VERY STRUCTURE AND ESSENCE OF HINDUISM.
Hitler and his many followers carried , practised and preached the versus contained in the holy book of hindus- The Bhagavat Gita!They base and affirm their actions on the Futile but destructive theory of superior race system embodied in our very own caste system. Even the symbol they chose was inspired by the Swastika (which was originally a Hindu symbol, but later co-opted by Hitler!Nazism came into existence and is solely based on the core values of hinduism. No wonder here in India, Hitler is still revered and honoured more than God.

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posted March 26, 2014 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This could have been an interesing topic.

But you started quoting Frank Sinatra.
Bad idea, just saying.

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
This could have been an interesing topic.

But you started quoting Frank Sinatra.
Bad idea, just saying.


I see, you are from France.
How About quoting 'Maximiani Portas' aka 'Savitri Devi', would that strengthen our Indo-French Connection? I think not. Nevertheless, I will be doing it.

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Hindu-Nazi-Savitri devi

Champion of Hindu Nazi Cult!
Savitri did not believe in the Holocaust.
She regarded Hinduism as the only living Aryan heritage in the modern world. she adopted the name Savitri Devi which would make her famous in neo-Nazi circles.India fascinated her -- she noted How even a street-side vendor would discuss the Mahabharat in the morning. She had great admiration for the Brahmins, who she saw as a pure race.Savitri Devi first "observed pictures of the Fuhrer on the household altars of Indian families".She devoted her entire life for the cause of ARYANDOM!
Fearful of the prospect that her SS (Nazi secret service) heroes would shortly be tried by the International Military Tribunal, she had a strange dream one night while staying in a boarding house in London. She dreamt that she had entered the cell of Herman Goering. He saw her and was "rather astonished, but she reassured him that she was a friend.The next morning, she overslept. It was Oct 16 and a rainy day. The newspaper headlines said, "Goering found dead in his cell at 2.30 a.m." He consumed a phial of potassium cyanide.She had only admiration for the brutal Nazis she met in prison, saying they were just doing their chosen job. She wrote 'Heil Hitler' on the prison walls as an act of defiance!

"But out of the hazy consciousness of the illiterate masses of India, sprang also, in those days, remarkable intuitions. I shall always remember a young servant—a boy of fifteen or so—telling me, in glorious ’40: 'I too, admire your Fuhrer.' And as I asked him if it were only because he was triumphant that he admired him, the boy replied: 'Oh no! I admire him, and love him, because he is fighting to replace, in the West, the Bible by the Bhagavad-Gita.' He had got that extraordinary piece of information from a talk in the Calcutta fish market. I was dumbfounded. For the information, though literally fanciful, was perfectly accurate in spirit."
- Savitri Devi

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In early 1937, Savitri Devi met Srimat Swami Satyanand, president of the Hindu Mission in Calcutta, and offered her service to the mission. She told Swami Satyanand that India was the only country that honoured Aryan Gods and could stop the influence of the Jews. Satyanand, clearly impressed, told her that Hitler, of who Savitri was a devout follower, was an avatar of Vishnu -- a force that would preserve the cosmic order.

Someone once asked Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)– one of the greatest spiritual personalities of modern India – what he thought of Adolf Hitler. The answer was short and simple: “He is a ‘gnani’,” i.e., a sage; one who “knows,” who is, through personal experience, fully conscious of the eternal truths that express the Essence of the Universe; conscious of the hierarchic character of its visible (and invisible) manifestations in time and outside time; conscious of the nature and place of gods, men and other creatures, animate and inanimate, in the light of the One inexpressible Reality behind, within and above them all: the Brahman-Atman of the Hindu scriptures, thousands of years old. This implies, of course, consciousness of the great Laws of manifestations that preside over the birth, life, death, rebirth and liberation from the wheel of birth and rebirth, of all creatures, and therefore of the fundamental inequality of creatures, including people – and races – the inequality of souls as well as of bodies, and – on the social plane – the strivings for an order that would be the exact reflection of this inequality within the universal, divine hierarchy – of this unity within hierarchical diversity. In the mind of such a perfect Brahmin (in the etymological sense of the word: a man who has realized Brahman-Atman within himself and, in consequence, “knows” the truth) the word “gnani” cannot mean anything less than that.

It is a far greater praise than any recognition of our Leader’s importance in mere history. It means that his unique place in history is the mere outcome of Something deeper and more difficult to sense (for the common mind
As said earlier, Hitler is put on a pedestal, seldom questioning his word or authority!

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posted March 28, 2014 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you dig deeper, You will find That Reincarnation Doctrine is in complete contrast to what it preaches.

It promises Peace, since the believer is stuck in a seemingly endless cycle of death and rebirth, peace seems almost impossible!

It promises Salvation, In reincarnation salvation comes by works (building up good karma)which we cannot attain all by ourselves!We dont even know which of one of those cycles of our life we are in.

It promises Liberation, from evil as well as deliverance or moksha, The question then becomes whether this doctrine can provide a sound answer to these yearnings when it maintains that the personality is ultimately to fade into oblivion. With respect to purification from evil, we cannot see what better tools we could have in our hypothetical future lives that would allow us to achieve it then rather than now. We are all aware of our inability to break off our chains on our own.
Human life does not consist in remaining oblivious to life and in doing nothing; on the contrary, it is a search for what is beautiful, good and true.

Darker Aspects-
It promotes justifiable Genocide!
It obscures your freedom of thought!
It masks your discerning capabilities by way of exercising constraint on your free will of choice!
It promotes wishful thinking!
It brainwashes your mind, body and soul as a gateway for more sinister purposes!

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posted March 28, 2014 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Behold!Those of you who believe that Reincarnation can do only Good.
There is a Reason to Rejoice!Await Hitlers Reincarnation!

Heil Hitler!Hitler Reincarnated As Apocalyptic Kalki Avatar-The Avenger!The last incarnation of Vishnu!


"— Adolf Hitler — returning with more-than-human power?
That last great Individual — an absolutely harmonious blending of the sharpest of all opposites; equally “Sun” and “Lightning” — is the one Whom the faithful of all religions and the bearers of practically all cultures await; the one of Whom Adolf Hitler (knowingly or unknowingly) said, in 1928: “I am not he; but while nobody comes forward to prepare the way for him, I do so”; the One Whom I have called by His Hindu name, Kalki, on account of the cosmic truth that this names evokes."


Depicted in a Tanjore Painting

"The truth is that there is no other “God” but the immanent, impersonal divinity of Nature — of Life; the universal Self.Things are changing — and the science of war, progressing, — every day. One point is, however, as a main feature of every recurring “great End,” beyond doubt: “Kalki” will act with unprecedented ruthlessness. Contrarily to Adolf Hitler, He will spare not a single one of the enemies of the divine Cause: not a single one of its outspoken opponents but also not a single one of the luke-warm, of the opportunists, of the ideologically heretical, of the racially bastardised, of the unhealthy, of the hesitating, of the all-too-human; not a single one of those who, in body or in character or mind, bear the stamp of the fallen Ages.
those whom the millions of 1945 — the dying; the tortured; and the desperate survivors — called in vain; those whom all the vanquished fighters “against Time” called in vain, in every phase of the great cosmic Struggle without beginning, against the Forces of disintegration, co-eternal with the Forces of Life.They are the bridge to supermanhood, of which Nietzsche has spoken; the “last Battalion” in which Adolf Hitler has put his confidence."

"Kalki will lead them, through the flames of the great End, into the sunshine of the new Golden Age."

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I would like to make a special mention of Buddhism with regards to Reincarnaion!
You'll be surprised to hear that Reincarnation is not a buddhist teaching at all in all of its sense.
One of the most fundamental doctrines of Buddhism is anatta, or anatman -- no soul or no self. There is no permanent essence of an individual self that survives death.
The Buddha said, "Oh, Bhikshu, every moment you are born, decay, and die.” He meant that, every moment, the illusion of "me" renews itself. Not only is nothing carried over from one life to the next; nothing is carried over from one moment to the next."
The Buddhist term for rebirth in Pali is "punabbhava" which means "again existence". Buddhism sees rebirth not as the transmigration of a conscious entity but as the repeated occurrence of the process of existence. There is a continuity, a transmission of influence, a causal connection between one life and another. But there is no soul, no permanent entity which transmigrates from one life to another.
Letting go of the ego of oneself is what it teaches.To be more humble, Understanding, loving,forgiving and treating others as you expect others to treat you.

Buddha taught that all phenomena, including beings, are in a constant state of flux -- always changing, always becoming, always dying.Simply to say that nothing is permanent in this world.Time is a cyclic process,and good will triumph over evil in a constant never ending battle.Now and always untill eternity.
This is not easy to understand, and cannot be fully understood with intellect alone. For this reason, many schools of Buddhism emphasize a meditation practice that enables intimate realization of the illusion of self.
the doctrine of reincarnation was a powerful moral lesson. Fear of birth into the animal world must have frightened many people from acting like animals in this life. If we take this teaching literally today we are confused because we cannot understand it rationally.

Just like jesus said- It requires faith in god, to be reborn, it also requires wisdom in the context of buddhism to know for ourselves for what we truly are.

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Whether reincarnation is true or not, time is a poor argument against it. Time is not linear. It only appears linear to us.

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Time is all at once.

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For as long as the prom-hiss of eternal life "Thou shall not surely die" be kept. The echoes of triumph ”Now, I shall never, never again enter a womb!” and the echoes of agony "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" will not fade in time and beyond...

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Quite a bold claim you make here.

May I ask the source for the information on the reincarnation of Hitler?

Also, I don't think anyone made the claim that reincarnation can do only good. It has its pros and cons, as every belief system does. It fulfills its purpose by providing us with something bigger to believe in, until disproven completely. Spirit theory does the same. Claiming that one is superior to the other accomplishes little and starts too many arguments. To each his own.

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Hello Cancer scorpio,
It feels good to have you back as always.
If you consider, my meek attempt at trying to connect all the dots by The Bold Claims that were already made by spiritual masters from diverse subjects ranging from Thesophy, History, Esoterica, Astrology, Mythology, Spirituality, Psychology etc has got to do with projecting my superiority, then you must be mistaken.I never proclaimed my presentation as being indisputable.I come from a place where I have shed all my prejudices and inhibitions.Siddhartha Gautama Buddha was a Hindu by Birth...That too a Kshatriya-Born into the highest noble
class of warriors.He took a neutral stance as well.What made him discard the Caste System of Vedanta?You must ask him or seek for answers yourself.
I am a Hindu By birth too. I also took a Neutral Stance to confront my own doubts and thereby deeply understand the various concepts related to the concerned subject.And lo!In the process of joining the dots between what is known and discovering what is still a possibility,the pieces Puzzle seemed to fit.

I have been extra careful by paraphrasing and putting in some element of irony so as not to expose or defame any of our very own mystics. In asking me proofs you are attempting to indirectly open up the pandoras box which I dont intend to do. Im only making a fearless confrontation in presenting the facts and figures and in doing so not going to ask you or anybody to accept my point of view.
I am only asking the reader to judge for himself amidst such conflicting vague probabilities before he arrives at any conclusion..Im not going to buy such lame theories and leave certain prime issues unaddressed.

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