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iQ
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posted September 09, 2014 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.in5d.com/how-to-exit-the-reincarnation-system.html

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posted September 11, 2014 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for that iQ. A lot of controversy in the comments about whether we chose to come here or not. Is being tricked into coming back still considered a choice? Did some really choose to but others were tricked by either ignorance or guilt/karmic debts? Maybe that would be why some of the spiritual mediums claim that we are only here if we choose to be- because coming back even through trickery or guilt is still a choice, just as choosing the light is still a choice even if one was tricked?

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posted September 15, 2014 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread and that article remind me of the TOOL lyric from "10,000 Days (Wings Pt. 2)"

"10,000 days in the fire is long enough.
You're going home...

You're the only one who can hold your head up high.
Shake your fist at the gates saying,
"I have come home now...!"
Fetch me the spirit, the son and the father.
Tell them their pillar of faith has ascended.

"It's time now!
My time now!
Give me my
Give me my wings...!"

Give me my [x5]

(Give me my wings)

You are the light, the way,
that they will only read about."

10,000 days IS long enough.... feels more like 10,000 years or 10,000 millennia even. Ah such a beautiful song, I've been listening to it a lot lately, those lines always make me tear up. So much wisdom... You're the only one who can hold your head up high....

TOOL has some really amazing songs, Lateralus is the best album, and probably the best song on the album. 10,000 Days has some really good songs too, "Right in Two" is so awesome.

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posted September 26, 2014 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear DeepSeaBlues,
I am pondering a lot on this trickery which is sold as a freewill choice.
It is possible that if the energy of good karma is powerful enough, then like "Escape Velocity", we can see through the manipulation and move forward. If we see through it, choose the terms of going back, and then reincarnate, then and only then it is a Freewill Choice. Many Avatars and Gurus do this to save more Souls. If we could get a "Zero Karma Guarantee" Card and "100% Past Life + Astral Plane Memory Intact Guarantee", then I do not think many of us would hesitate to come here for a few dozen incarnations and help many more to escape.

The next question is where do we move forward if we avert the guilt/manipulation into white light? What if the next stage is also an Astral Prison? At what point do we know that we have sovereign rights on our memories and movement/progress of the Soul?

I think the best bet is to keep on maximizing the personal Will Power and the Self's Chakra Power [All 7] without giving away our emotional devotion/energy to external idols of any sort: Deities, Mantras, Power, Religion etc.

We have to accept Self Responsibility for all, and get over the "Rescuer Complex" as much as the Victim Mindset. IMHO, to save mature Souls, we need only give the tools, we SHOULD NOT do the act of saving.

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posted September 28, 2014 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does one know if a Soul is mature? What about immature souls?

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posted September 29, 2014 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great question.

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posted September 30, 2014 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mature Souls are ready to observe and then question the paradigms, programming and religious orthodoxy based on the observed facts. They are ready to change when shown the truth.

An immature Soul is not bothered beyond survival and lust, and will happily be in denial. He or she will hold fast to the programmed dogma of their family or religious or political leadership. Such Souls need the Archons to keep them reincarnating till their Soul "grows up" and starts introspection.

The more the introspection and willingness to change or learn the Truth, the more mature the Soul.

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posted October 01, 2014 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, iQ.

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posted October 01, 2014 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes thank you for the responses iQ, much appreciated. One of the rare times I actually feel good about being an introverted introspective loner. Although blissful ignorance seems like it might be nice every once and a while.... Oh well tis not my fate I guess.

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