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posted February 24, 2016 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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SDragon/Todd do you mean by chance Arthur Eddington?

Also - looks like Literally today general relativity theory is proven true, again...
www.ligo.caltech.edu/news/ligo20160211

.... For some, for now.

And we all happen to be talking about it, regardless, right before and right now. Pretty neat.



first keep in mind that theory of special relticity for grvity was never completd. as I mentioned rnobel prize recieptient robet laughton, in his book a different university, mentiones the hidden truth the at physicist know. Einstein never completed the math.for special relativity. as laughton says,physist suppose the theory world be true of the calculations were finished. but they aren't. this is one of the little secrets scientist do not talk about.
as to the gravity wave article. this is a supposition based on Einstein's supposition. the scientist gather some dta and suppose this data shows gravity waves. this is akin to the results of the cern large hadron collider scientist saying they had found the higgs boson particle. the fact is they found debris which they supposed was the remnants of a higgs boson particle. but other scientist disputed this. they found debris that could have come from other sources.
and scintist ignore the fact that the effect of relativity on light etc can not be distinguished from bending light by a electromagnetic field. but scientist ignore this fact.astronomers have seen electromagnetic fields over 500 million lights years long.yet never mention the possibility that the electromagnetic field could be causing all he phenomena they attribute to relativity .
I suggest any open minds read "a different universe" by laughton. in it he describes a couple of more scientific facts that are censored because they disprove Einstein.
Einstein calculations are incomplete,yet if one is in the profession and challenges Einstein's dogma.... you will be out of a job. Einstein is a media baby and has been from 1911.
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posted February 25, 2016 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted February 26, 2016 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Einstein sounds like a fraud.

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I'll check out the book by Laughton sometime; thanks for the info all.

Einstein may be "hyped up", but I don't doubt that he was still a very smart business man.

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posted February 26, 2016 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Einstein sounds like a fraud.

more accurately .. a plagiarist
there is a book "Einstein the plagiarist"

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posted February 27, 2016 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Plagiarism is fraud.

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posted February 28, 2016 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I see your point.

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posted February 28, 2016 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Plagiarism is fraud.

true plagiarism is fraud.
in science particularly, scientist build on the work of those who came before them. but standard scientific method is to identify the work of others that you build on.
Einstein's papers simply give no mention of his predecessors. one of his most grievous omissions was claiming that the variation of time,Delta T, was his, when all the scientific establishment knew that this notion was first published bu Henrik Lorentz, one of the greatest physicist of the 19th century. to add to Einstein's calumny, Einstein had been a devotee of Lorentz and corresponded with him.lorentz was almost a father figure to Einstein.
all the other features of Einstein theory were publish, years before Einstein took the credit.i mean Einstein was such poor scholar, when he graduated with a degree in physics, he could not even get a job tutoring students. all he could find was a job at the patent office, second class.
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posted February 29, 2016 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most people don't know any of that.

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posted February 29, 2016 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same could be said for almost all inventors.

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They were quite the difference in age, also, and the former got a Nobel. Einstein either way had, years to expand [before and after]. If Einstein also graduated with a Physics degree; back in the day that was a huge thing. For some man to be his teacher means he saw some sort of promise in him to let him be a part of his life and in science world meaning his whole life. Whatever that way was, Einstein never really claimed himself to be, well, "an Einstein".
Sometimes things get complicated.

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posted March 01, 2016 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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. For some man to be his teacher means he saw some sort of promise in him to let him be a part of his life and in science world meaning his whole life.
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so did Einstein steal Lorentz ideas. Lorentz was vocal in his opposition to Einstein's plagerism until he died.
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Thanks for the replies to the thread so far, and for that link, @PixieJane. Sorry I haven't tended the thread at all, life has been hectic.

I still have been pondering the theory, doing small research here and there, and I don't know, I'm not convinced either way anymore. I have always known something is up with Antarctica, as for what is actually going on there I'm not sure, whether it is an ice wall or not I do not know, I do find it interesting that there are portions of the continent (particularly through the middle) that have never been explored by man or satellite, and that no planes have EVER flown over,.. that to me says a lot... yet we claim to to have been to the moon (which I obviously don't believe) and that we have satellites floating all over space all the way to Pluto but never through some parts of Antartica....

The East/West part is explained in the link from PixieJane.. here is a quote from the site:

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Circumnavigation


A commonly used image of the Flat Earth.

The Flat Earth is laid out like a North-Azimuthal projection.
The North Pole is at the center while Antarctica is at the rim. The continents are spread out around the North Pole.
Circumnavigation on an FE is achieved because on a compass East and West are always at right angles to North. Traveling Eastwards continuously takes you in a circle around the North Pole. East and West are curved.
As it happens, on an RE you do not travel perfectly straight when traveling East or West either. Consider this thought experiment:
You are standing 10 feet away from the North Pole. You are then directed to travel East and are instructed to continue to do so. What happens to your path? You end up traveling in a circle, and not in a straight line that you previously thought you would.
The exact same thing happens regardless of where are you on the Earth. Your path will not be straight without you having to constantly change the direction you are traveling in reference to a compass.

Traveling in a Straight Line:

Q. Can't we just circumnavigate the earth by traveling in a straight line without a navigational aid?
A. It is not possible to travel in a perfectly straight line for very long without a navigational aid.
It's not even possible to drive down a long length of highway without turning the steering wheel left or right. Get in a car and see if you can drive down a long stretch of highway without turning the wheel left or right. It's a near impossible thing to do. And when it comes to planes, ships, helicopters, et all., no craft has the ability of traveling in a perfectly straight line without the operator adjusting the craft with regards to visual terrain, compass readings, or what have you.
When one navigates, hands on control is paramount. You wouldn't find a ship captain in New York pointing his vessel in the direction of London, turning on cruise control, and then taking a three week nap in the lower decks. Who knows where he'd end up.
Q. What about other types of navigational instruments?
A. Using a compass, gyrocompass, or looking at Polaris as a reference for Eastwards or Westwards travel will take the navigator in a broad circle around the North Pole.


I also do believe some conspiracies are only out there to be confusing and debunk real conspiracies and the people who promote them and I'm trying to decide if this is one of them...


As for Einstein, meh, I'm not really surprised. He's got some good quotes but I watched a documentary on him and was disgusted with him after I found out that though he was married to his cousin who was quite devoted to him, he regularly had younger more attractive ladies over to sleep with and made his wife stay in the other room. What a piece of $hit that guy is and yeah I don't trust any media baby... not to mention science is full of dis-info and brainwashing, not saying there isn't truth in science but there are also falsities and people treat science like the new religion, which it essentially is. Just more indoctrination

that being said would prefer to keep this thread off Einstein and on Flat Earth

someone should make a thread about the conspiracy of Einstein.

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hi deepseablues

there was a very interesting radio reports in the news from admiral Byrd's air expedition to fly to the north pole in 1947. http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/articles/hollow-1.html

after traveling over snowy terrain going northward, admiral byrd started reporting a temperate land and climate, open seas and lsh islands with tress.....north of the artic circle???? it was reported in the new York times as a new land had been discovered. but after the first edition, the report was never published again nor were there any background articles about admiral byrd's claims.

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Hi todd,

thanks for the link! I have heard about this before, this particular expedition you are referring to is over the North Pole/Arctic though, right?

I do believe in the hollow earth/inner earth theories as well and the reptilians that live in the inner Earth (there are many different races of reptilians not all are considered ill-willed)

So I'm curious if these theories can correlate with Flat Earth or if one debunks the other. I dunno I feel like the Flat Earth stuff is messing with my mind a bit but I don't get these same feelings when I research other conspiracies I believe to be true, so that why I think maybe this one is out there to debunk others but I like to keep an open mind, and I'm curious what other think/have researched

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Hi todd,

thanks for the link! I have heard about this before, this particular expedition you are referring to is over the North Pole/Arctic though, right?

I do believe in the hollow earth/inner earth theories as well and the reptilians that live in the inner Earth (there are many different races of reptilians not all are considered ill-willed)

So I'm curious if these theories can correlate with Flat Earth or if one debunks the other. I dunno I feel like the Flat Earth stuff is messing with my mind a bit but I don't get these same feelings when I research other conspiracies I believe to be true, so that why I think maybe this one is out there to debunk others but I like to keep an open mind, and I'm curious what other think/have researched


i'd say the hollow earth debinks the flat earth theory.the hollow earth theorist say thjat the ands admiral byrd flew over were just on the rim of the earth as the curvature turned inward toward the hollow part of the earth. some say there is a central sun inside the hollow earth which would be why there was anice free land.
there is another theoru=y ,not really part on these ideas which say that the centerof the earth is not a molten core bu trather at the centerof the earth thereis a thermonuclear reaction taking place. this theory was put forth by a respected establishment geophysist. he claims that the pressure at the center of the earth is too great to allow the molten core to flow as is the theory. he also mentioned that there are a large number of neutrons that emanate from the center of the earth , that are unaccounted for my the molten core theory. http://www.spacedaily.com/news/earth-03k.html

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How does the flat Earth model explain seasons, or the Coriolis effect?

If the Earth if flat, what is the benefit in lying that it's round?

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Also, what impact does the difference in shapes have on astrology?

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Coriolis- can be true or false according to this theory; as the flat earth theory implies that the moon does not cause our tides, as tides they say, are not "consistent". Seasons are explained with a parallel alternative- there is still an orbit, but rather than the Earth revolving around the Sun, the Sun resides on a plane whilst orbiting on the Earth's axis; with said axis also taking the same path regarding seasons.

In relation to astrology and what people could gain on a mass conspiracy level- also another conspiracy in the sense of earthlings being " sun worshippers. "

Terra Australis would sure be a nice place to visit. So would Antarctica, come to think of it.


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Seasons are explained with a parallel alternative- there is still an orbit, but rather than the Earth revolving around the Sun, the Sun resides on a plane whilst orbiting on the Earth's axis; with said axis also taking the same path regarding seasons.



Hmmmm, then that would mean that the Antarctic would be the closest to the sun as a result of its plane/flatness combo, resulting in no ice or snow. Alternatively, if thats not it, then the sun would have to be way, way smaller than the flat earth?

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In the flat earth model, yes, the Sun is smaller than the Earth.

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posted March 11, 2016 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does the flat Earth model explain lunar eclipses?

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How does the flat Earth model explain lunar eclipses?

http://wiki.tfes.org/Moon

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