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morgana
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posted November 19, 2002 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Hello all!

I'm new to the forum, although I've been reading it from time to time lately. Recently I decided to start taking those large quantities of vitamins that Linda suggested in Star Signs, but as I've been hearing and reading all my life that large intake of pills can hurt your liver, I'm a little worried (but not much, I must say) about that. Has anyone been taking large doses or the exact same amount of vitamins that Linda suggested for a long time? And what are the effects? Do you experience any kind of problems due to that? I'd be grateful if you'd share your experience with me, so I can put my mind to ease and just stop thinking about that. Thanks!

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posted November 20, 2002 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Depends on the vitamin. Large amounts of A and D can be toxic. Linda's suggestions are harmless (although some people may not be able to immediately take so much C and should work up to that amount slowly). I did it for over a year with no adverse effects. Welcome to the site!

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posted November 20, 2002 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Randall!

I was already afraid nobody was going to reply. I am aware that these kind of questions probably keep popping up every once in a while when someone new comes to the forum so I know it must be boring for you old ones to always answer the same questions. So, I really appreciate it!!

When you were taking these vitamins, did you notice any change?

And I read somewhere in the forum but I cannot remember where so I don't know if I understood it the right way: are you really 400 years old or was it just my imagination (or am I just really naive and for you guys this is old news??) Are you really really?

Shine on,

M.

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posted November 20, 2002 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I never said I was 400 years old. Linda said it (in jest). I noticed the most difference in my skin (especially on my face) from the grape juice.

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posted November 20, 2002 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
I like to try and get most of my vitamins from natural foods through out the day. But since I also like to eat yummy foods, I don't always get in all the healthy vitamin containing things I ought too. Like Randall said, the only vitamins that remain in the body (stored in fat- you won't pee these out) are vitamins A, D, E, K. But only A and D are toxic at high levels. As for the rest (meaning all the B's -great for energy-, C) I wouldn't see how you could harm your liver. Maybe you have heard that popping alot of pills can harm your liver, but not other vitamins. Of course, you want to be sure if where you get your vitamins from. It is a good idea to make sure you are taking the most absorpable form and you can even call up the manufaturer to see where they get the vitamin from. Something I like to do is put a couple vitamins in some vinegar and see how they dissolve. I'll take the better dissolving one that the less disssolving one because that is exactly what will happen in your stomach. Good luck!
btw minerals and herbs are great too!

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posted November 21, 2002 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Fajita, for the useful advice!

I never thought of it that way - I mean, to put vitamins in vinnegar. It reminds me of putting a nail (iron) in Coke and see it dissolve, but that's an entirely different story.

I guess I'm a little bit unsure of things because I'm surrounded with very REASONable people who believe only what they see with their own eyes and because my boyfriend is also a great sceptic (although he's got great potential) who has difficulties believing in anything "ethereal" and when I try to convince him that vitamins are good for us and that he should be taking them, he keeps telling me that it cannot be good to take so many pills day after day. I agree with him regarding PILLS, but these are vitamins, that's different, I keep telling him, but he is very stubborn. But I've been making a little proggress with him, though. This is also the reason that I started this late with Linda's "program" although the first time I read the book was 7 years ago, and now I've decided to give it a try with just vitamins at first - I guess all that scepticism and reason I'm surrounded with got to me after all. So, if vitamins don't hurt any of you, then I guess it's OK and I can stop worrying. I just had to check. And to get some support after feeling so alone in all this.

Randall, sorry, I looked up "the 400-year-old statement" and it was another moderator, Grasshopper, saying he's 401 (?), so I must've confused the two of you. I remember Linda said she was around 700 years old, but why do you think she was joking? I think a lot of people take this statement very seriously.

By the way, I get my vitamins from Puritan. com - does anybody know if they're any good?

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posted November 22, 2002 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
I will find out for you about puritan!
By the way, my bf is very very very skeptical. He and I are like opposites. He won't take anything- me, I do my research, read my books, read online, get some evidence and use a little common sense and come up with some good stuff.

When my boyfriend starts coming down with something he will never listen to me to take any zinc or echinacea supplement or drink a glass of orange juice, he thinks I don't know what I am talking about. But then if I ever feel sick, I fight it off (unless I am really tired or something) I very rarely get sick.

I hope you drink lots of water too! :-)
We can trade tips- it's good to take care of the body, it's our only one (for now!)

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posted November 22, 2002 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Fajita!!

Sure, I'll share whatever I know, but you're probably well ahead of me. But since I'm a vitamin freak (that's what they call me at home) I've done a lot of reading about everything related to health and so on, so maybe I can even be of some use.

And what you said of your bf - mine was exactly the same up until a year ago or so, when he finally, I think, got proof that vitamin C is helping him. Every once in a while, when his immunity drops and when he's extremely stressed out - that's my theory - he gets an eczema so bad that he has to go to the hospital for an operation. Once he even got blood poisoning from it because he couldn't get to the hospital immediately because we were in another country and didn't realize how bad the situation is. So when we finally got home, it was blood poisoning and he could even die... And each time (several!) doctors told him that it just cannot be helped, that he is prone to this and that they basically don't know how to help him. So after, I think, some 2 years of convincing him that he should take large doses of vitamins, at least vitamin C and Zinc, and after he had to go for 3 more operations (you see how stubborn he is?!!), he finally started taking vitamin C every day - and he's been alright ever since. (knock on wood) And thank god, I think he also lost some of his blind faith in "real" medicine because he got so disappointed in it.

I, too, very rarely get sick, maybe once a year or once every two years, but it's only when I'm so exhausted that I say to myself it'd be nice to be sick just like eveybody else, to get some rest - and after a week or two it happens, every time. How's that for autosuggestion? But otherwise I just don't allow myself to be sick. And it works. And even then I get well in one or two days max. My boyfriend needs at least a week to get well, but he sees how fast I always recover so I think he's slowly beginning to believe me. It just takes time & patience.

Maybe you should secretly put some vitamins in your boyfriend's drink or something and when he recovers sooner than usual, tell him about it. Just joking. Or maybe...

About the water - I'm afraid I'm a bit sloppy here. I drink a lot of gassed (is that the word?) sweet drinks, you know, with bubbles. And I know I shouldn't. But it's so hard to give up anything you like!

shine on

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posted November 23, 2002 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Just about every prescription medication is harsh on the liver (some more than others). Milk Thistle actually regenerates liver tissue. Pharmaceutical companies have not been able to synthesize it. It is the only substance we know of that can do this, and it's a virtually nontoxic herb.

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posted November 23, 2002 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
Yes milk thistle is great for the liver, and I do beleive artichoke something or other has benefits too.

I am so glad your bf took the vitamin C by the way, with zinc. That is exactly what I would have suggested for boosting the immune system.

Keep up the researching and helping yourself. I have the same thing when I get sick- it lasts two days and it's only when I sort of say, i am not fighting this one off, I'll just let it come.

Hope everyone is having a good weekend!

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posted November 24, 2002 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the Milk Thistle advice!! That's great, I didn't know that.
Now I have something to say when someone says to me that I'm damaging my liver by taking all those vitamins. I can say: But I'm rebuilding my liver! (not very funny, I know)

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posted November 24, 2002 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
well I laughed!

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posted November 24, 2002 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
thanks!!

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posted November 24, 2002 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjade731     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Morgana Welcome to the site! I read Linda's book a long time ago so I am not sure of the amount that she has suggested, however I do take Milk Thistle sometimes it is really very good for the liver. I do order from Putitan Pride I have for years and I dont have any complaints so far! Smile! Another company that is very good is Bioenergy Nutrients, and I also order from Dr Andrew Lessman, I order his vitamins from Home Shopping Club. I am so glad you are interested in vitamins and herbs. Morgana when you get a chance check out our thread on Herbs it has a lot of great stuff! Jade

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posted November 24, 2002 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nebel     Edit/Delete Message
Hiya Morgana

I take a swag of vitamins each day - all of which were perscribed by my naturopath (So is a little different from Linda's recomendations)...
I think that if you drink plenty of *filtered* water each day it will flush out your skin, kidneys and liver - so will eliminate any risk of harmful effects to these areas...
I say filtered water because one of the greatest threats to the health of your body are the chemicals in tap water - because here we are, thinking we're doing great by drinking heaps of tap water each day - and really all the chemicals must be filtered by our kidneys - not a great way to flush your body

Hope i've helped
Always the best
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posted November 25, 2002 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks all you kind people!!

This is a great forum and everbody is so kind and helpful! I just hope I can give something back as well.

jade, thanks for the info, I'm always interested to know where to buy the best vitamins, it's so hard searching around the web, not knowing what to buy because there are so many stores...

I'm a bit "green" on herbs, I haven't really done any research there because I always thought it was kinda hard to know all this stuff and how to mix it together and so on, but I'm very interested in everything. I read through your thread about herbs today and I printed it so I have it for further use because it contains sooo much useful information!! It's really
great! If you have any more info about anything, it would be great if you'd share it with us!

nebel, thanks!
I recently bought an energy mug at e-water.com (I just haven't got it yet) to drink my water from.

I know liver processes all the chemicals in our body, that's exactly why I was worried about taking artificially-made vitamins, but I guess if everyone here thinks it's safe, then I guess it is.

thanks again to all of you!

shine on

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posted November 25, 2002 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjade731     Edit/Delete Message
Morgana I have always been interested and into herbs and vitiamins my daughter and I took a herbal course a few months ago and it was fabulous lots and lots of information and really great text material. When you get a chance check out The Vehicle of the soul/body thread along with Herbs everything you wanted to know I am sure you will see some familiar names and some great sites. Glad to have your positive energy with us Love Jade

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posted November 26, 2002 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Jade, I haven't read that one yet, glad you reminded me! I'll go print it now and read it over coffee tomorrow morning
Thanks!

By the way, it's so great you have someone close to you share your interest in these things, and your daughter of all people! Gives me hope.

shine on!

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posted November 26, 2002 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Morgana, except for some forms of Vitamin E, the human body doesn't know the difference between "natural" and synthetic vitamins. They generally react the same in the body.

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posted November 28, 2002 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Really?
That's another thing they've all been telling me: that it's healthier to get vitamins from foods (vegetables, fruits, etc.) than from synthetic vitamins (pills).
And this is what it says also in all the articles in various magazines. But I guess if I totally believed them, I wouldn't be taking so many vitamin supplements.
But thanks for the confirmation and encouragement, Randall!!

P.S. By the way, do you know which forms of vitamin E?

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posted November 29, 2002 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
d-alpha tocopheral is natural. dl-alpha tocopheral is synthetic. The synthetic form can irritate the stomach. Actually, it is sometimes best to get vitamins from food, because (depending upon what food we are talking about) there could be enzymes and other nutritional elements present. But as far as supplements go, synthetic and "all natural" are usually used the same by the human body. Take ascorbic acid and the much more expensive all natural C brands (like Ester C), for example. The C reacts basically the same in the body (although natural forms may be better due to containing bioflavanoids).

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posted November 30, 2002 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Randall!!

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posted October 26, 2006 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for and     Edit/Delete Message
BUMP.

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