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metoo
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posted December 28, 2002 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for metoo     Edit/Delete Message
I need help with a topic that is very important to me. I have had a weight mgmt problem all my life, and recently I found the solution - sort of. This is more than a want-to-look-good-in-jeans-problem, as diabetes runs in my family and most likely won't skip me.

The "problem" is also my solution. I have had great SUCCESS with "Protein Power" a low-carb lifestyle....the PROBLEM is that it wasn't long ago I was very close to becoming a vegetarian. The problem is that MEAT is the best source of protein I know, and therein lies my problem/challenge/conflict.

See I'm the type of CappyGirl who LOVES animals. I watch animal planet all the time, and LOVE animals. I find it hard to cook, animal flesh. So I am basically stuck how to figure out which KNOWLEDGE is TRUTH for me? I BELIEVE in astrology. I BELIEVE and KNOW that Linda is the best gift I have been given (next to my fiance - Matthew).

But I also BELIEVE and KNOW that what I read in "Protein Power" is the TRUTH as to what my body needs to be in the BEST shape. I was "taught" by Linda to KNOW and recognize my higher voice, so how can eating more animals be the answer - even though I have proven it is - by losing weight?


I have resolved that this MUST be my life challenge - to eat more cheese?

Any help and/or comments would be appreciated. Thank You!

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theFajita
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posted December 29, 2002 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
Do you want other sources of protein? I know lentils, soybeans, eggs, nuts, seeds, many other things.

Well either way I know how it is to struggle with your weight and I support with you with that.

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theFajita
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posted December 29, 2002 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
and btw WELCOME!

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metoo
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posted January 01, 2003 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for metoo     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for your reply and your welcome. I think that I have always known the answer to my internal (and most times verbal/external) questions. I am not sure what answer or help I was seeking. Only that I guess I wanted to voice my frustration with what I have learned. But then again, I have wanted for years - to Know the answer - so I have remembered - and found it.

I guess I am just a little disappointed that I have to work more than I intended - to be True to my self. Thank you for the welcome - and I hope to be replying and adding again soon. I do so much need to converse and Know more people who share in my same beliefs. I think I just need to build my support system - starting with my self - which has Always been hardest for me.

So enough of my sappy-self, thank you for replying - again.

Jennifer

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theFajita
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posted January 01, 2003 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
OH Jennifer your quite welcome! I know other sources of protein if you are still looking
But I would love to converse with you
My real name is Danita, well, little Donna and I am from Florida- it is nice to meet you!

I eat pretty healthy stuff too. But want to look better in jeans too! love d

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House Brownie
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posted January 01, 2003 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for House Brownie     Edit/Delete Message
My mom is going on the Atkins diet and I tried talking her out of it because I know that it involves eating a lot of meat too. But there are so many other ways to get protein, especially in nuts, beans, and tofu. There's so much you can do with tofu.
Most Americans actually get too MUCH protein, and vegetarians tend to have a healthy protein intake. It definatley takes a little more work than eating meat but IMO it's worth it.
For me, I actually lost a lot of weight when I went vegetarian and I think the best way to loose weight is through exercise.
I wouldnt judge wether you should eat meat or not - definately listen to what your "higher voice" and body tells you. Good luck with it.

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metoo
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posted January 01, 2003 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for metoo     Edit/Delete Message
HOUSE BROWNIE - wow, this is going to be hard - to control my really passionate reply to what you stated about TOO MUCH protein! If I have learned anything, I have learned that there are MANY factors, and you can't group the American people into one category.

Even my own personal physical "history" is unique, as are your own weight loss experiences with being a vegetarian. I don't know if I was clear enough but I was refering to "Protein Power" by Michael & Mary Dan Eades. I found MANY truths between those covers. And have since purchased several copies (hardback and paperback) to give as gifts. I have also received many thanks from those that received my gift of knowledge.

HHHMMM - I don't think I am succeeding. I have never been good at getting my point across about something as close to my heart as this topic....so please forgive me. Maybe I should stick to the facts. One way I learned exactly how much CARBS played a role in my "diet" was when the Eades' recommended keeping track of your eating habits. I did just that a couple of days before I began to change my eating ways....and it was then when I saw just how much I would have to change my life.

I had to empty out my kitchen and begin again. I had GREAT success, and KNOW that I will again, if only eating was just a physical problem, but alas it is MENTAL as well. And therein lies my greatest Challenge. As if this cappygirl didn't have enough challenges dealing with Saturn.

PROTEIN POWER is a low-carb lifestyle, not a high protein diet. Your body has no effective way (nor possible way) to STORE protein. As for CARBS, to your body there is no difference between CARBS and SUGAR - and for current and possible future diabetics, this IS the key. They both affect insulin levels in the same way, only CARBS take longer. If I can redeem myself, and ask that you buy a copy of "Protein Power" if the mood so strikes you, I love to share knowledge....As for Atkins. Even the Eades gave credit that he was the 1st, but they give the COMPLETE picture as to how your body responds to Carbs, Sugar, and Protein, etc.

OOOHHHH - I should stop now. I hope I have not been too critical. I do agree with what you said that exercise is important, but I was afraid if I increased my metabolism...think of all the more protein/meat I would have to eat

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metoo
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posted January 01, 2003 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for metoo     Edit/Delete Message
HOUSE BROWNIE - I forgot to ask for your recommendations for a great tofu cookbook. It would have to begin at STEP 1, cuz I know nothing of tofu. Not quite sure I know what it looks like? Thanks!

Little Donna - Please tell me which your prefer: Danita, little Donna, or thefajita. I was surprised to see such a quick reply. I had been roaming the site and was about to sign off, but wanted to see if I had any replies, and I did

This is a very passionate subject with me, and maybe I should have started with something smaller. I have to say that I think that it's my patience (or lack of it) that is the problem. I have no problem forming a reply, it's getting myself to calm down long enough - to create something informative. Is that a cappy trait? No patience I mean. Oh yeah, I seem to remember reading something to the effect of cappy's giving off the impression of being patient, but actually (internally) feeling the complete opposite---so True. See how I answer my self - I do that ALL the time!

I will be back soon to see what you have to say, I too would enjoy talking with you, via my keyboard

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House Brownie
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posted January 01, 2003 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for House Brownie     Edit/Delete Message
You're right, everyone is different and has different needs, I just wanted to let you know about the protein options outside of meat that have worked for me and many others. Of course I don't think that all Americans get "too much" protein. But I do read so many conflicting reports about everything from food to vitamins to protein that I usually just ignore it at this point, or I'll drive myself crazy stressing.
I know nothing about the book or the diet you mentioned so I dont know all the factors involved with it but it sounds interesting. I understand how you feel, because as a vegetarian I often get drilled by people about all the things I'm not getting or doing right with my diet - but a trip to my doctor who I really respect put all my nutritonal worries to rest.
About the tofu - if i were you I'd find a good health food store by you and browse the food they have there. A lot of times the workers are very knowledgable and helpful w/ questions in the small ones. And in most major bookstore chains nowadays they have whole sections devoted to vegetarian cookbooks, and theres also a lot devoted to tofu. I havent picked one up yet though but theyre out there!
Anyway, good luck with it.

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Mercury
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posted January 02, 2003 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
I read the Atkins book and am familiar with the Eades duo. I also read other books by other MDs, and even some by non-MDs. The underlying principles of Protein Power are very sound, and Brad Pitt practices it with God-like results. On his visit on an episode of Friends, he railed against "complex carbohydrates" and played a character who had at one time been fat.

I recommend that you explore protein sources that do not conflict with your love of animals (even though I personally feel it is not worth starving yourself because you love animals...what about your needs?). There are options. Protein from soy or tofu is not complete protein. I would suggest whey protein powder (which I am taking now), a complete protein derived from milk. Egg whites are also a source of complete protein. Finally, if you want to live without carbohydrates, you have to explore fat. Saturated fat is a high-calorie, non-carbohydrate energy source that contrary to popular belief, does not make you fat nor contribute to "bad" cholesterol. The only problem with fat is that it is easy to overeat it because it is so concentrated. The body can get energy from every carbon-carbon bond in the fat molecule, and it is a long molecule (waxes and oils are even longer, lending a longer burning time) I can only imagine how unpleasant and painful it would be to try to get all your calories from protein. The mantra of Protein Power is that fat and protein do not make you fat, but sugar and carbs do. The irony of carbs is the body makes fat out of them, whereas when you eat fat your body uses it as energy. And yes, you can get saturated fat outside of animal sources. Coconut oil also get a bad press. It is actually a very healthy saturated fat, when not "modified" like it is in most packaged foods.

The same advice for health applies to everyone, regardless of weight. Less frying, less cooking, more fresh food, more natural unadulterated foods.

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theFajita
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posted January 02, 2003 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Jennifer you can call me whatever you like just don't call me late for dinner..ok sorry that is so corny, it's almost 4am OK? at myself

Oh you can start with any topic you like, especially one that you feel passionate about, don't you think Linda GOodman would have done the same

I say you should eat what your body feels right when you eat! Many people here do not eat meat, but I do, like Mercury said, eating healthy is important, like you know, grilled chicken breast is alot better than fried chicken wings. I recommend getting meat that isn't caged or with hormones and you will probably feel alot better about how the animals are treated.

I support you on feeling good about your body- listen to what feels good for you. I personally don't feel good when I eat alot of carbs- it makes me sleepy. I want food to give me energy, not sleepiness you know (well thanksgiving I throw that out the door and FEAST)

I do eat whole wheat stuff alot, but that's because I need alot of fiber.

You will see in my signature I write that food is the only art that nourishes and it's true! I think there are so many wonderful foods out there and people should explore and love them all- food brings people together. You can probably tell I am a little passionate about the food subject- I would like to one day write a book about food, maybe it will have to do with astrology too

take care

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Mercury
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posted January 02, 2003 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
Carbs make everyone sleepy and weary. After eating candy bars or high-carb snacks, people feel exhausted and listless, and then later on they feel depressed as a sugar low sets in. As if that were not bad enough, they then get candida albicans and colon impaction which leads to constipation and colon cancer. Joy. But for some reason we are told a high-carb diet is healthy and a high-saturated fat diet is not, which makes no sense at all and has no reasoning behind it.

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Katiebull
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posted January 02, 2003 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katiebull     Edit/Delete Message
I understand your struggle, metoo, since I have the same conflict in my brain. I know that high carb, low fat is NOT the way to go, (I personally found this through Suzanne Somers' books, a kind of modified Atkins plan), but I can bring myself to illness thinking of cooking animals. I have come up with a plan that I think will work, and still satifsy everything I believe.

You said you were thinking about going vegetarian? Linda's plan in Star Signs is to go through 3 five year plans to go veggie instead of shocking your body into being vegan cold turkey (excuse the expression!!) So what I'm doing is giving up red meat only, continuing to eat chicken, turkey, fish, seafood, along with dairy products and lots of vegetables. I should be at my goal weight within 5 years (hopefully sooner than that!!) and then I can cut out the chicken, turkey, and fish, becoming veggie (still eating dairy though). I'll probably adjust this plan according to what's going on in my life, but that's the basics.

I wish you luck!!

Kat

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Mercury
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posted January 02, 2003 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
Eat what you want and what works for you. Do not let Linda or some other writer pressure you into eating a certain diet. Linda, like so many other writers (including myself at times) is plain bossy.

Diet checklist...

- does this diet make me happy, does it taste good, does it boost my morale?

- do I understand why this diet is good for me, really understand, and not just taking the word or command of someone else, not thinking for myself

- am i getting objective results from this diet or are all the benefits really just psychological?

- is this diet overly or ridiculously complex, expensive, or demanding on my time?

- am I changing my diet for the right reasons, do I want to be healthier and look better, or am i just trying to stop looking bad? (push versus pull motivation)

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theFajita
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posted January 02, 2003 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
ditto what Mercury said

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metoo
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posted January 02, 2003 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for metoo     Edit/Delete Message
WOW - I am excited to see so many replies to my topic. If you only knew how long I have been struggling with this topic (most of the time unaware/not remembering the SPECIFIC issue...until recently, of course). My quest(ion) was a bit black-n-white in order to get my point across. I am very FAR from becoming a vegetarian (if that is what fits for me). I, unfortunately still LOVE chicken, fish, steak, etc.

It has only been recently that I have discovered the LINK between my being uncomfortable or not enthusiastic about making the low-carb lifestyle change (again). I guess I thought I didn't cook "meat" because of my lack of experience cooking. Only to find that I really have a hard time handling it, etc. That in addition to the "Animal Planet" channel makes my conflict all the more transparent.

KATIEBULL - I was thinking along the same lines as you...cutting out on red meat first - then if I can handle it - cutting back on the others as well. Cheers to that

MERCURY - I agree and thank you for your informative replies. I feel compelled to mention that Linda has not pressured me into anything....pressure doesn't really fit for this cappygirl. I don't like to be bossed around - I like to be The Boss I love your checklist and agree wholeheartedly. A Low-Carb lifestyle worked for me, like NO other "diet" Ever has...but it's hard to face the mental challenge of McDonald's on every block - know what I mean? Or how about this Italian girl being told NO more pasta, and NO more bread

I have to agree that protein from tofu and/or my other alternatives....would not be as complete. I also agree that the treatment of the animals might help - although any form of killing animals bothers me.

This reminds me of a story when I was in high schoool taking my driver's ed class. I was driving and I kept braking when animals - squirrels in this case - would cross my path. My teacher asked me what I was doing, I told him, and he said that the squirrels could look out for themselves (because they were fast, etc.) So it wasn't long before we passed a squirrel who didn't make it - if you know what I mean. I immediately pointed this out...and my teacher said, "Oh, he was old and tired" To this I smiled, but only on the outside

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Mercury
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posted January 03, 2003 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
>I like to be The Boss

Good for you. Linda and other writers bossed me around for years. I am/was weak-willed. Speaking of which, there is ice cream in the freezer right now I have to do something about.

>but it's hard to face the mental challenge
>of McDonald's on every block - know what I
>mean?

(holding half-eaten hamburger in hand, fries in another)

What?

>...and my teacher said, "Oh, he was old and
>tired" To this I smiled, but only on the
>outside

Jesus. Roadkill freaks me out. Imagine being hit head-on by a car going 50 MPH. I can just imagine some people do not bother even slowing down or keeping their eyes open, they just mow down any creature that happens to get in their precious way. In some parts of Canada the Moose they hit into is so large it smashes through their windshield and kills them. Talk about poetic justice. God has a plan.


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metoo
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posted January 03, 2003 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for metoo     Edit/Delete Message
>Linda and other writers bossed me around for years

I must be a little thick in the head...you do still like Linda, Correct? I think maybe what you saying - that I am not getting - is that you take Linda's advice to not take her words as gospel - to hear your own truth, from what you read of her writing?

MERCURY - may I ask a personal question?

.....what's your sign

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Auriel Langford
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posted January 04, 2003 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auriel Langford     Edit/Delete Message
metoo, to answer your question, cheese is an excellent source of protein. I have cheese toast for breakfast every morning and it's delicious and nutritious. However, it should only be eaten with one meal a day--preferably with breakfast or lunch. The body has to work harder to process it than other proteins. If you eat cheese, only eat hard cheese and leave the processed garbage alone, otherwise you might as well open a bag of potato chips and eat them. If you have cheese toast, use 40-calorie bread and a vegetable spread, such as Country Crock or I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.

Some sources of protein that are good for you while you're on a diet:

hard cheese
eggs (no egg substitutes--they are high in carbs)
cottage cheese
almonds
pecans
soy nuts
ricotta cheese
peanut butter
black beans
kidney beans
white beans
navy beans
black-eye peas
lentils
green peas
tofu
soybeans

The amount you need will depend on how much you weigh now. You need larger portions if you are over 200 pounds.

Some tips for losing weight:

Avoid starches. If the food expands when you cook it, it's also going to make your body expand when you eat it. Once you get used to not eating them, it's hard to go back to having them in your diet. I rarely touch starches anymore because my body feels plain yucky afterwards. The other night we had mashed potatoes and I still feel bloated. Yuck.

Drink at least 64 ounces of water a day. If you're losing weight and not getting your water, then the fat you are burning is just hanging out on your body waiting to be flushed out with water. You should add an additional 8 ounces/day for every extra 25 pounds you need to lose. Do not drink more than 120 ounces of water a day or you'll flush out your electrolytes and trace minerals.

I know Linda's diet says you need red foods if you need to lose weight, but they are actually higher in carbs than the green ones.

Well, I hope this hopes. Good luck and cheers to healthy eating.

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Auriel Langford
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posted January 04, 2003 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auriel Langford     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, one more thing that is really important:

You need to be in optimum health when you reach your goal weight if you want to maintain it. Otherwise, you will most likely gain your weight back and probably rather quickly. It's why people who do the high protein/low carb diets and completely eliminate breads and fruit from their diet gain their weight back. The diet works, but your body needs all the food groups to be in optimum health. It's better to go a bit slower and lose weight with a healthy, well-balanced, nutritious diet.

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theFajita
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posted January 04, 2003 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
Cool!

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Mercury
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posted January 04, 2003 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
>I must be a little thick in the head...you
>do still like Linda, Correct? I think maybe
>what you saying - that I am not getting -
>is that you take Linda's advice to not take
>her words as gospel - to hear your own
>truth, from what you read of her writing?

I still like Linda, yes, otherwise I do not imagine I would have come here in the first place. Linda is a very prescriptive writer, by that I mean she tells you what to do to improve your life...literally. She is not vague, but gives clear recipes and instructions. Various readers based on their personality can take the work of a prescriptive writer and take it as a gospel, even if the writer warns against that very behavior in their work. An example of prescriptive writing is "How to Clean Anything with Vinegar" whereas an example of non-prescriptive writing is "Shakespeares Sonnets" Star Signs makes no bones about being prescriptive, it tells you what are you are supposed to do. Some people, like myself, took that as a gospel and followed it blindly. I hope that clarifies what I meant.

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