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Topic: Anti Depressants
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sthenri Moderator Posts: 2550 From: Montreal, Canada Registered: May 2003
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posted April 25, 2004 02:58 PM
Who takes these and do they do any good?I have read many posts and one mentioned Zoloft. I took this once and felt like a zombie. Is this a way to work out your problems? Or do you feel it's an easy way out that leads to other drugs? I feel that way, what do you think? I am open because I have friends who do want this option and ask my opinion. I do not want to be judgemental. Thanks, Natasha Taurus IP: Logged |
silverbells Knowflake Posts: 1376 From: maryland Registered: Apr 2003
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posted April 25, 2004 05:48 PM
I used to take Zoloft and Paxil. I also popped some Valiums from time to time. When I was on the Zoloft I think that I always felt like I was walking through a hallway made of fog. The walls were made of fog and there were doors around but they seemed to be closed-but I was less depressed in a sad way. I really took the Zoloft for rage management coupled with depression and when I felt better after a couple of months or so, I went off of it cold turkey - not advisable. I think the side effects were vertigo or some kind of inner ear thing. A couple of years later I started to take the Paxil for severe depression and anxiety attacks. The Paxil really helped me but I couldn't really feel things emotionally. It really really helped me though. I don't know where I would be if I didn't take it. I think that I went off of that cold turkey as well. I don't remember the side affects of going off of it if there were any. The Valium that I was taking was just for the panic attacks when I felt them coming on. They are not generally for regular daily use because they are "so addictive". I had a prescription for them and I took them several nights in a row because I felt the attacks coming on several times in a row (this was before the Paxil I think) and then I read the possible side affects which were incidentally the feelings that I would get with the panic attacks. That scared the crap out of me and the dose that I was taking was not working after that. I think that I doubled up, I think. After that I think that is when I got the Paxil. Also from personal experience: I felt myself getting addicted to the Valium. That was several years ago and to this day I still kind of want one and was only taking it for about a week or two, I think.So to summerize; I hated the Zoloft but it helped manage my mood swings. The Paxil helped IMMENSELY with the deppression and anxiety. The Valium helped with immediate suspension of the panic attacks but I felt an addiction growing. I think that any affliction or ailment can be alleviated with spiritual growth and awareness. Especially Mental "disorders" I would prefer to deal with these things on my own than take anything for at this point because I believe that most cases are people who are seeing things that others don't see or being deppressed because they know the way things are supposed to be but they are not, or longings for wherever they were before this life etc. etc. etcetera. I think that if someone can handle the depression without suicide or mental institutions, then they probably should because if they are interested and pursuing the spiritual (in an active way) then there is much to be learned. HOWEVER, if this is someone's first bout with depression, and/or they are not pursuing the spiritual "world" then I would really really advise some type of medicine and psychiatric counseling because suicide can sneak up like that, and you will never know because it is said that most people who commit this act appear extremely depressed and then all of a sudden they seem to have experienced a great change and they are on the right track and then no one knows why they have done it. First timers and people who are not actively pursuing a spiritual life should have any type of help whatsoever that is being offered as long as it is proven to help. Drugs do not affect everyone in the same way so research and trials with small dosages are recommended. IP: Logged |
dorkus_malorkus Knowflake Posts: 580 From: Reno, NV, USA Registered: Jun 2003
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posted April 26, 2004 11:47 PM
I have been on Paxil and Celexa. Both worked for a time, but after a while I get super depressed and on the verge of suicide. A few months ago they put me on Lexapro which is like Celexa but with an extra molecule added on. I gained 20 lbs on that after just a short while. A couple of weeks ago I had a nervous breakdown and got put on Wellbutrin in addition to the Lexapro. I am only 17 and I feel like a guinea pig or something. I wish that I could feel good without taking all these pills but it doesn't look like something that will be acheived anytime soon.I am very scared as this is how my mother started out(she is mentally ill) taking all these pills until eventually she became dependent on them. I'm just hoping to break free from all this mess and live a relatively normal life. IP: Logged |
moondreamer Knowflake Posts: 503 From: durban Registered: Nov 2002
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posted April 27, 2004 06:00 AM
Years ago I was on CIPRAMIL and it certainly helped me through what I was going through.BUT now I am on nothing which I am glad because if I was on something,it will make me think that I would NEVER be truly happy again.MD IP: Logged |
Nephthys Moderator Posts: 1570 From: California Registered: Oct 2001
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posted April 27, 2004 01:05 PM
Do you take any vitamins or supplements? Sometimes Dr.'s like to prescribe drugs rather than get to the root of the problem. For example, Essential Fatty Acids improve moods. They are very, very good for you, for many body functions. Flax oil, borage seed oil, and evening primrose oil are usually included in an EFA product. Vitamin E supports mood. Getting a B-complex, (which should include all the B vitamins), helps with mood. B-6 and B-12 are very good. St. John's Wort is good. Staying away from refined sugars. Eating a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables brings clarity of mind. Munching on raw veggies such as carrots, cucumbers, celery, red bell peppers, etc. I highly suggest the natural approach! IP: Logged |
trillian Moderator Posts: 2681 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted April 27, 2004 02:11 PM
to those of you suffering with depression. I wish you well.I have to second the notion that the first approach should be a natural one, including removing refined carbs and sugars from your diet. And--very important--eliminating artificial sweeteners, too. Listen, I don't have the studies here, but if I get a chance I will do a web search for you. There has been a lot of talk that some of these drugs lead to much worse depression, and as silverbells said, a fog in your life. I recall reading that the boys responsible for the Columbine massacre were taking some, as well as the boy in Fla. who flew his plane into a building. There are other stories like this, including one close to home. I don't want to alarm anyone...and again, I will have to find these stories for you to judge for yourselves. I know there are those on this board who will say I am completely wrong...so be it. And if you want to talk with someone 'on the inside,' so to speak, query La-Tee-Da, she is a pharmacist. She's one of the lovely ladies here who will tell me I'm wrong to draw a correlation between these drugs and other problems. IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1065 From: nevada Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 27, 2004 11:30 PM
Don't quote me on this but a very recent study has shown that a side effect of anti-depressants has been suicidal tendencys. Also when you get off of them you go through withdrawals. That foggy feeling is because the dosage is wrong. Also I can't see any reason why a Dr. would put a 17 year old on any of that. If you want to feel good along with some of the vitamins mentioned here use brewers yeast and cods liver oil to supplement. I did years ago when I was pregnant and I can't tell you how healthy my mind and body was. IP: Logged |
dorkus_malorkus Knowflake Posts: 580 From: Reno, NV, USA Registered: Jun 2003
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posted April 28, 2004 11:26 AM
Yea I have been takin flax seed oil for a while and I've been meaning to pick up some b12 vitamins. My dad has also been pushin me to get off these meds and I really want to but it is not that simple, sadly. My counselor advised I should continue on with the meds at least til my second year of college, until my situation with my mom changes.IP: Logged |
sthenri Moderator Posts: 2550 From: Montreal, Canada Registered: May 2003
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posted April 28, 2004 02:25 PM
There is a huge push for these drugs these days, and even if you are a teen it's true. I think it's considered bad taste to cry too, which is the way doctors tell us to manage our emotions, just hide them away! But it's difficult to manage that.Yes refined sugars really suck, I found that out the hard way with my Venus ruled chart. I cannot have it or honey or anything sweet in the house. I do not feel fatty acids help but I do like the fresh fruit idea. This time of the year people are sad. There aren't any fresh fruits or flowers up North yet, and it's been raining for two weeks. It's normal for winter sadness to grab us and normal to find a way to get rid of it. I would love to see a national keep away sadness day in the middle of the winter so everyone could be on the same wavelength instead of all these individuals getting lost in the fog. Somewhere around March would do. Looking forward to summer or spring here:> Take Care D.K. I think that it's sounds like you are in a really controlling atmosphere right now, and Virgos respond to their environment. If you feel like crying let yourself go, nothing wrong with that. I have felt like crying before and couldn't stop but let's face it, the situation is usually the cure, we just need to get away from it. And there is so much pressure and hate towards young people today, the pressure is the same as it was in "Ordinary People" D.K, that book may help, the boy in the book is a Capricorn, very earth sign depression. He gets out of it at the end with the help of a Gemini girl. Take Care, I am wishing for a world where art and love are finally free! Natasha Taurus-Venus Aries
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tahariel Knowflake Posts: 165 From: south wales Registered: Jan 2004
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posted April 28, 2004 06:03 PM
I've been on paroxetine I think it's called. Gave me the shakes real bad. I stayed on it till I had the strength to upkeep myself then slowly came off them. have been depressedsince but refused to have pills, wanted to beat it on my own. Was hard but I did it :0) I'd say have them if you need them, beats wanting to die :0)IP: Logged |
dorkus_malorkus Knowflake Posts: 580 From: Reno, NV, USA Registered: Jun 2003
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posted April 30, 2004 12:35 AM
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lovely libra Knowflake Posts: 132 From: garland texas usa Registered: Mar 2004
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posted April 30, 2004 03:22 PM
Has anyone tried cognitive behaviorial therapy? This is going back and changing behaviors ingrained from childhood and beliefs from tragidies and abuse that no longer serve us. i was diagnosed with non-responsive depression. Borderline personilaty disorder, and shell shock. I had fears and phobia's and rarely left the house except to go to work or the girls school. I now after admitted several years of work and personal chart keeping to follow my behaviors and be aware of them enough to change them am making it drug free. I used to be on(not at the same time) Lithium, zoloft,paxil, geodon, ambian, and something for anxiety attacks that started with an a but i can't recall, i've tried valium. And loads of things i can't recall at the time. They helped keep me alive for a while but I only really got over it with the cognitive behavior training. I am now relativly sane and while not jumping up and down happy, feel good at the sight of a sunset or a childs hug, and I no longer wish I were dead or cut myself or worry about ending up in an assylum like mom. Good luck to you. Huggs------------------ ~Renee ~indecision may or may not be my problem IP: Logged |
sthenri Moderator Posts: 2550 From: Montreal, Canada Registered: May 2003
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posted May 01, 2004 08:55 AM
HI Renee, I have tried lots of things. I wouldn't rule it out if you haven't tried it yet. Must be my Gemini Mercury in the 7th but I would try it.I have tried many therapies and they all worked. The best I have found is a detached, but caring approach, it can be an astrologer or psychologist but it has to be genuine and warm but detached to see the entire picture of my life. Inner child workshops really work, and you can find these everywhere now. It's very similar to finding your inner sense of self and rebuilding it. Sounds similar, Natasha
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teaselbaby Knowflake Posts: 224 From: Northeast Ohio Registered: Sep 2002
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posted May 01, 2004 01:55 PM
There has been a little bit of discussion on anti-depressants/anxiety meds and the use of natural methods (specifically withdrawal frommeds using flower essences) on a list called Athena (archives here: http://www.escribe.com/health/athena .I've used flower essences, relaxation tapes/cd's, herb tea and exercise, and will be trying CBT (I've had anxiety attacks since I was a child, and was aoraphobic on and off for years ~ I'm still dealing with the social anxiety). I'm trying to fight off a bout of depression right now, it's been trying for weeks to grab me. Ugh!! Trying to get used to a stability ball workout has been helping me, on the days that I exercise ~ gritting my teeth and being determined to master certain moves (and slowly succeeding) has been helping me deal better with the "baby steps" involved in recovery ~ the off days aren't always so good lately though. Angie IP: Logged |
teaselbaby Knowflake Posts: 224 From: Northeast Ohio Registered: Sep 2002
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posted May 01, 2004 01:59 PM
Oh yes ~ a little flax oil in a shake helps me to relax sometimes, and a blue-green algae supplement, when I can afford it, helps ease depression and give me a good, easy energy (as opposed to the tension/pacing that hits me at times like this). IP: Logged |
teaselbaby Knowflake Posts: 224 From: Northeast Ohio Registered: Sep 2002
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posted May 01, 2004 02:11 PM
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purplezen Knowflake Posts: 888 From: outer space Registered: Aug 2003
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posted May 01, 2004 07:40 PM
hi, I've been on prozac for about 8 years now. It took me a while to be where I am today. At the age of 14, I had clinical depression that was so bad I tried to commit suicide (since i was saved, I felt so stupid..."gee I cant even kill myself right!" lol) anyway, at first I went on zoloft, which did not work for me. Paxil made me panicky. With prozac (and therapy) I got better. alas, I have a chemical imbalance, so cannot go off of the prozac without a relapse. IP: Logged |
Virgo-AriesArtist Moderator Posts: 1039 From: USA Registered: Nov 2001
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posted May 05, 2004 08:38 AM
Woah, speaking of depression, I have been in and out of it for 6 years, and think I might finally have a handle on it. They, it took them long enough, actually figured that I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder. This in essence, resulted in depression, as my sense of failure and tension mounted. I was started on Paxil 20 mg at first, and it did really help, until it occured to me that although the anxiety was gone, I no longer felt the emotional highs and lows it was simply neutral. I couldn't stand "feeling nothing", and so I pushed my doc to decrease the doasge (as he had wanted to up the dosage more ) to 15 mg, which really worked for a more 'normal' day to day life. I self-increased back to the 20 mg during the weeks prior to final exams, but then brought myself back down to 10 mg recently, as there is no need to be on anything higher, especially during a relatively 'stress-free' time of year for me, summer. Hope that helped!------------------ -K "Most people love with restraint As if they were someday to hate We hated gently, carefully As if we were someday to love"-Venus Trines at Midnight IP: Logged |
Kells Knowflake Posts: 38 From: CO Registered: Apr 2004
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posted May 05, 2004 12:49 PM
I, too, have been struggling with depression for 20 odd years. There are no easy answers. Antidepressants can be very helpful--in the right doses and combinations. If you have a family history of depression, or related disorders, consider them seriously. They are most effective when combined with therapy. Excercise is crucial. If all you can manage is a walk to the mailbox, so it! Be careful with diet. Low serotonin levels make you crave carbs, because they boost serotonin production. Add LOTS of vitamin B and Calcium to your diet. Make one change at a time, so you can track what is and is not working. Remember, it's a dis-ease, not a character flaw!IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 19872 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 05, 2004 03:30 PM
Welcome! ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Kells Knowflake Posts: 38 From: CO Registered: Apr 2004
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posted May 05, 2004 09:56 PM
Thanky! It's joy to have found all y'all! BTW, an another matter entirely, I've been trying to access the Astrology Forum. It keeps rejecting me. Before I crawl into my crab shell and pout <wink> is there anything I should try? Kells IP: Logged |
tahariel Knowflake Posts: 165 From: south wales Registered: Jan 2004
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posted May 05, 2004 10:13 PM
lovely libra Am awaiting for my first dose of CBT now ! I'm really excited !! I'm in total motivation to beat my issues however hard it gets, I'm gonna bash at it. Whether I succeed is another thing :0) Depression is horrible, I hope you all have someone to talk to about it. The last bout I had I only had my boyfriend who had never had it and didn't have a clue what I was going through ! It made it so much harder. Please don't be alone in this, people like me are willing to listen to the downs. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 19872 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 06, 2004 02:19 AM
You should bne able to get in now, Kells. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
lovely libra Knowflake Posts: 132 From: garland texas usa Registered: Mar 2004
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posted May 07, 2004 12:18 PM
Thank you tahariel, I have already undergone cbt. I am not as depressed as I once was and I continue to grow and learn. I have let go of much of the pain of my past. I am a sane, calm, nearly happy person. I am off meds completly now. Some of them (meds) helped some of them didn't. The cbt was crucial I would not be where I am today without it. I continue to read everything I can get my hands on and keep up my behavioral charts. Thank you.------------------ ~Renee ~indecision may or may not be my problem IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle Moderator Posts: 4044 From: Vancouver USA Registered: May 2004
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posted May 08, 2004 03:45 PM
My hubby has battled with depression his whole life. He's tried natural remedies (to no avail), anti-depressants, and talking therapy.Anti-depressants helped to get the ball rolling. He was able to get past the numbness that comes with depression enough to look at his feelings objectively. Once he was able to access the feelings and ponder on them for a while, talk therapy helped him develop a game plan (if you will) that eventually pulled him completely out of the depression. Antidepressants (IMHO) can be quite ineffective in the respect that many people consider them a wonder drug that will make all of their troubles go away... When in actuality they are only to assist you in working through your troubles. As my husband's psychiatrist explained it to us, many antidepressants (Effexor, Paxil, Cilexa) will only give you the desired effect for about a year. After that you either have to switch or ween off of it. Weening is also a very important part of antidepressants. Their purpose is to teach the brain how to fire properly, so naturally if you just cut off that supply your brain won't know what to do and you'll go a little (or a lot depending on you) LOOPY. I also experienced this with my husband. He decided he was feeling fine and didn't need them. I have never wittnessed a person so dark, gloomy, and angry as my husband was when he went 2 days with out the medication. Just my 2¢ IP: Logged |