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moonstar77
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posted June 20, 2005 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstar77     Edit/Delete Message
Has anyone ever heard of this type of depression:
- you have depression and take paxil for it
- you become angry and overreact at completely random moments. however, the anger is very cold and aggressive
- if you're a guy and attracted to the opposite sex, you can't seem to control your "fantasies" about them
- your energy is very intense.
- when you talk to people, you come off sounding angry and irritated, even though you don't mean to. this causes many many misunderstandings

The reason I ask is because I know someone who has these symptoms...he's a very nice person, not threatening to society or anything. He takes Paxil and it decreases his sadness. However it does nothing to control his angry outbursts. I've also seen him stare and check out pretty girls, which is normal for any guy, but it's done in a way that is very intense and aggressive. It just comes off inappropriately and is due to the anger/aggressive side effect of his depression. He has never physically hurt a woman (or anyone for that matter) though. He compensates by not dating a lot.

But has anyone heard of this??? I know there are irritable symptoms involved in this condition. But is there any way to control the anger? I would think that Paxil would help mostly and I think it does for the most part. But is there anything else that might help control the anger, which is a big problem for him? He's really pretty sincere when he's not "angry" but the condition takes control and he comes off that way. Do you know of anyone who has depression and what they are like? This is my first experience of it and would love some more knowledge. I just usually hear about the overwhelming sadness. Not these kinds of symptoms though. There are probably different levels depression and he says that there are no drugs to fully help him control what he has, which is probably true I think.

Sorry for babbling. I don't know...I'm distressed. People judge so easily. Any info would be great. Thanks.

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taurean_scorpion
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posted June 20, 2005 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurean_scorpion     Edit/Delete Message
That sounds a bit like biopolar.

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moonstar77
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posted June 20, 2005 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstar77     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, this is also what I thought at first. I asked him about it and he said that it's not bipolar. But he sometimes does come off in this "really happy, really sad". It is not extreme though. Like he's not happy one minute, sad the next. He does look very happy after he takes the medication and easier to get along with. I did think about this, and only a doctor can diagnose properly, but he may have leanings toward bipolar.

I don't have much experience on this. I've done some research to understand more and hoping others have more information to provide anything else. I think if his anger was controlled more by any kind of medication, it would benefit him. I'm just stumped. I thought there would be some kind of prescription you could take to control the anger somehow. He has to deal with it everyday, for the majority of the day. It doesn't consume his life or anything. He's doing alright. But he also doesn't tell many people (only when he needs to), so it is harder for others to understand why he reacts to things the way he does sometimes.

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wildflwrs
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posted June 20, 2005 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wildflwrs     Edit/Delete Message
Different people react differently to different meds. It is a common side-effect for their to be irritability and sometimes anger. And sometimes those medicinces can make someone prone to fantasizing. This obviously is not the right medicine for him. I think you should encourage him to talk to his doctor and try another medicine if he needs to be on one. It can often be a trial and error process, which can be very frustrating. But many people recover and lead productive lives once they hit on the right one. I think he should probably emphasize that he wants the least risk of unpleasant side-effects.

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sue g
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posted June 25, 2005 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
I am very frightened by what I read, it sounds like Russian roulette to me, trying to find the right one, what happens if you dont, and the side effects are so severe they make the symptons worse! OMG my 78 yr old dad was put on anti depressants and he told me that they made him feel like a zombie, imagine the implications of that, he drives too and looks after my mother. I am horrified that the doctors just give these drugs out so freely, and that the drug companies are so corrupt. I am so glad I chose in my time of need to go for natural healing and supplements, I wish more would try love and peace Sue xx

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leoelf
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posted June 25, 2005 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
I took neurontin and zoloft for 3 months and I felt great.
These meds get alot of bad rap sometimes

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sue g
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posted June 26, 2005 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Leoelf, still not convinced tho, I saw what they have done to my Dad over the years, he has sort of given up. He was such a vibrant person when he was younger, an Aries, but has now almst lost the will to live. I suppose short term they arent as bad, but he took them on and off for a long time, my inner voice has always said NO!! Love to all xx

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leoelf
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posted June 26, 2005 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
No, honey, I agree with you, not for long term, I've heard bad things long term.
But the meds helped me deal, alot.
Kept me from "feeling" mostly, not that its a problem, but I am a strong feeler, i suppose.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 27, 2005 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Some people have very sensitive systems.
Diet is even more important to them.

AYURVEDA,
one of the oldest and most proven systems of health-care in the world,
is largely based on diet:

"One can find out the nature or temperament of a man from the nature of the
food he prefers.

The food we eat is either "satvic", "rajasic", or "tamasic",
according to its character and effect upon the body and the mind.

Satvic foods are fresh, juicy, light,
unctuous, nourishing, sweet and tasty. It increases the energy of the
mind and produces cheerfulness, serenity and mental clarity. satvic food
is highly conducive to good health. A satvic man relishes juicy food and
other foods which are attractive in form, soft to touch and pleasant to
taste, which are small in bulk but great in nourishment like the words
from the lips of a spiritual preceptor. Milk, butter, ghee (clarified
butter), fresh ripe fruits, almonds, dates, moong (green gram) sprouts,
barley, wheat, cereals, tomatoes, parwar, torai, karela (names of Indian
vegetables), plantains etc., are satvic.

Rajasic foods are
bitter, sour, salty, pungent, hot and dry. These foods create
sensuality, sexuality, greed, jealousy, anger, delusion, fantasies,
egotism and irreligious feelings. The rajasic man always plans to
prepare various kinds of preparations to satisfy his palate. The palate
remains unsatisfied until the stomach is completely filled with pungent
things and till the tongue is burnt with chillies. Puri, kachori,
pungent condiments, meat, fish, eggs, sweets, fried bread, curd, brinjal
(egg plant), carrots, urad (black gram), onions, garlic, lemon, masur
(red gram), tea, coffee, betel leaves, tobacco are rajasic articles of
food.

Tamasic food is stale, dry, bad smelling, distasteful
or unpalatable. It increases pessimism, ignorance, lack of common sense,
greed, laziness, criminal tendencies and doubt. The tamasic man will
eat, in the afternoon, food which has been cooked on the previous day
and also will like the food which is half-cooked or burnt. Foods that
have been processed, canned or frozen are tamasic. Beef, fish, eggs,
wine, garlic, onions and tobacco are tamasic foodstuffs."


Some other useful stuff:
http://www.doctorstrust.com/item/NE1691-1?gtse=goog>kw=new%20chapter%20ever y%20man&utm_id=GG1 http://www.aznutrinet.com/products/Whole_Food_Nutrients/Fruits_of_Life _nature_s_cellular_protection.html http://www.dadamo.com/ http://www.bioactivenutrients.com/PionairPureAir.html http://www.acupuncture.com/education/tcmbasics/index.htm http://www.marin.cc.ca.us/~don/Study/2positive.html

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sue g
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posted June 27, 2005 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Leoelf,

I hope you feel better now. You made me smile when you talked of "feeling" - OMG I am so that way, my husband is overwhelmed by me at times, and told me so.
When I was in my 30s I started to study different forms of healing and I suppose you could say I chose the difficult option, I have felt desperate, suicidal, hopeless, very sad and inadequate during my life. I think one of the main reasons I didnt take pills is cos I was rebelling against my Dad, but that has been good for me, to choose my own way. I am glad they worked for you and I hope you are able to "feel" deeply now without toooooo much pain - love to you Sue xxx

p.s. your little one is adorable, and so are you!!!

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leoelf
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posted June 27, 2005 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
LoL thank you, sweetie

I will be honest with you, I feel like sh1t without my meds. People that are closetst to me say both things, some want me back on it, some don't.
Although I shouldn't really blame my meds for the way I feel right now, there is good reason.
But yeah, I'm a person that feels everything and sometimes it gets so overwhelming that I put a huge wall around me. I try not to let anyone in.
Put some pics of you and yours

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Devilfish
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posted June 27, 2005 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Devilfish     Edit/Delete Message
i was diagnosied with bipolar at sweet 16
never took meds. just had couseling for a couple years
a few years ago (im 31) i had ulcers and a doc. put me on effexor xr to reduce stress since i had pervious history of anxiety blah blah blah
well i was okay the first 3 mo.s i was even a little more organized ,
then all of a sudden i got REALLY depressed and
suicidal
worse then i have ever experienced.
i started reading about effexor and read this was a rare side effect
i also had mild hives
i took myself off cold turkey (one day after bday)
your suppose to wean but i didnt want to wait i wanted it out of my system
i have NEVER felt so sick im my life
i puked , had body aches, diarrha, dizziness and a headache
when i stood it was like i was at the sickly point of drunkness
i also heard a noise like a salt shaker in my head(i continued to faintly hear this for months)
i ended up in the er
and was treated for an allergic reaction they feed me saline through an iv to try and flush it out a little and get me rehydrated
they filed a report as did i to the fda
it took approx. three weeks to recover symptoms lessening as each week passed
NOW i watch my vitamins escp. b vitamins
and i exercise
i feel great, and have for the last 3 years
as for bipolor i notice i just have intense energy tides
so i go with it
i get alot done when the tide is high
and when its low i rest.

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suzyque
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posted June 29, 2005 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for suzyque     Edit/Delete Message
I can identify with the problems that go along with depression. I have had mild depression and anxiety for awhile now, i tried medication and it worked but i have a lot of stomach problems and it made them worse so i had to stop. I decided to try ST. Johns Wort since it is natural and they have done a lot of studies that show it is just as effective as all the medications out there.

It does work, but i have to watch how much i take becuase it can make me really tired and it kind of numbs me emotionally.But not to the point i can't function, as long as it keeps the anxiety under control and stops me from becoming really depressed i will keep taking it. I recommend it to anyone with anxiety or depression. The main draw back is that it can interact with other medications so you have to be careful about that.

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moonstar77
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posted August 15, 2005 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstar77     Edit/Delete Message
Hi everyone,
Thanks for the info. I just wanted to update. After reading your posts, I observed his moods in a detached way, rather than the overprotective friend thing I was doing.

Anyway, I think he is bipolar, not an extreme case. Doing some research on the net about it, it all clicked in my head. I finally brought it up with him and again he said that he doesn't think he IS, but I finally got him to think about it. So, I'm not sure where this is going to go for now, but I think he is more able to accept this and seek help than he was just a few months prior.

His symptoms fit with BP exactly but he has been denying it and just doesn't have enough knowledge on this, so it has been tough for both of us. Plus, the emotional withdrawels that last a few days/weeks don't help, so it has been slow going to teach him since I can't get through to him during these periods.

Please send some white light to him so that he understands himself more and finds the help he needs. I would dearly appreciate it. Thanks.

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Philbird
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posted August 15, 2005 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
Moonstar! If you read the insert for Paxil, those are some of the side affects! The sexual thing... Sometimes Paxil is given to men who are prone to premature ejaculation. If your friend isn't, it might be making him overly sexual feeling. These ARE on the insert!!!!
It probably isn't the best med for him. He should talk to his doc. Paxil is an anti anxiety, not an anti depressant!

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moonstar77
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posted August 15, 2005 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonstar77     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I told him that I think he really needs to see his doctor or a totally new one again. Even if I'm wrong about BP (don't think I am bc it feels 'right', but never know), I just don't think whoever prescribed Paxil to him is good enough. I mean it helps somewhat with calming him down (I've seen it), but my intuition is saying that he doesn't need to go through his problem to the extent that he is. There is more help available that he's not seeking or not realizing.

I will keep encouraging him though. It's slow to get through to him. But it's getting there. Thanks.

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diviniT
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posted August 26, 2005 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diviniT     Edit/Delete Message
Paxil is an anxiolitic.
Anxiety and depression can often feed off each other. I was incorrectly put on an anti-depressant Zoloft on and off for years being labeled with depression when all along it was an anxiety disorder. I have been on Effexor for roughly 2 years. Effexor is an anxiolitic and antidepressant. Highly effective for mood fluctuations. However, like Devilfish stated the withdrawls coming off of Effexor is horrendous! I weaned myself off half of the dose fairly recently and experienced similar side effects as well as numbness and tingling of my face and extremities for days.
When you have depression you are prone to repeat bouts. So whether your friend takes meds or not other ways to improve his symptoms could be: Exersize, Health Supplements: Fish Oils (for the brain), Vit B12(targets energy), Calcium with Magnesium (relaxes body), Valarian (natural herbal sedative), St. John's Wort (alleviates depression), Therapy/Counselling, Meditation, Positive Affirmations/Visualization and Emotional Freedom Technique.

I wish your friend the very best for optimal health and send healing energy.

In Love and Light



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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted August 30, 2005 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
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