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themysteryclub
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posted January 16, 2006 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for themysteryclub     Edit/Delete Message
I was wondering if someone could please provide me with a bit of advice...?

I have had a very troubled complexion since I was 10 years old (I am 16 now)

I started getting really bad acne on my forehead when I was 10. By the time I was 12 it had moved down to my chin and cheeks. While I was 12 and 13 years old I had very severe acne all over my face and miserable over it. I tried every skin regime available...literally! And still no progress.

When I was 15 my skin started to clear up and now that I am 16 my skin is relativly clear. But the problem is I have dark spots all over my chin and cheeks from the previous acne and I still have blackheads and at least 3 blemishes at any given time. Exercise and happiness help my skin a lot, but it still won't clear up completely!

My acne started at a time when I entered a severe and clinal depression that involved sexual and verbal abuse. It began to clear when I moved away from the situation and embarked on a spiritual journey to health and healing. Other health problems have also cleared up lately, the only lingering one being my skin.

I have Saturn, Neptune, and Uranus all in my first house in CAPRICORN in opposition to my sun and my moon. I think this explains a bit of karmic trouble with appearnce.

A little bit of advice on how to get rid of my complexion problem for once and for all would be awesome!

fyi: I take vitamins, am a ballet dancer (so i exercise ALOT) and I use Aveda and Burts Bees makeup and skincare products.

Thanks a million!

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lalalinda
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posted January 16, 2006 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
I have a daughter, with the same thing. What she finally did was pro-active and guess what? it really works.

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SunShyne
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posted January 16, 2006 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunShyne     Edit/Delete Message
Hello TMC,

I've heard proactive works as well. A morning dose of a couple of leaves each of spinach, basil, fenugreek and neem is super -they're blood cleansers. I take it you drink a lot of water?

A really handy tip I use everytime I have an unexplained ache or pain, - before you go to bed at night ask your body to tell you why your skin breaks out. Ask to be delivered the message that it's trying to send you. Take care to record your dreams - they should give you the info you need to deal with the emotion at the source of your trouble. Good luck! I really really hope you find your answer, I had bloody whimsical skin when I was a teenager so I know how hard it can be to hold your head up high when there's a zit at the end of your nose! And it always looks so much bigger to you than it does to the rest of the world!!

By the way, vit E's really good for scars - check with your doc if you should be using it at your age though.


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themysteryclub
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posted January 16, 2006 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for themysteryclub     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks you guys! I have tried Pro-Active a couple of times and it always made my skin break out more (my skin is very delicate, almost translucent) But thanks for the excellent suggestions SunShyne-especially about the blood cleansers and the asking the universe at night. I hadn't thought of that!

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themysteryclub
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posted January 16, 2006 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for themysteryclub     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks you guys! I have tried Pro-Active a couple of times and it always made my skin break out more (my skin is very delicate, almost translucent) But thanks for the excellent suggestions SunShyne-especially about the blood cleansers and the asking the universe at night. I hadn't thought of that!

Love,
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pixelpixie
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posted January 20, 2006 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
You have acne marks, as in redness/discoloration.. but no pitting or scarring?
And occassional acne is pretty normal, especially at your age...
I can't skin type you, as I need to see....
But I am assuming you don't have overly oily skin, simply becasue you said it was translucent... as an oily skin type usually has a tough appearance.. more like orange peel, due to the enlarged pores..
So I am assuming you have normal/combination skin.
Because it is so sensitive/translucent, the fading process is more visable. It can take a long time.. there are things you can do, cosmetically... and in the meantime, use an oil free foundation, and even a green coverstick ( used with a light hand) just on those spots, to neutralize the red colour... *red opposed green on the colour wheel, neutralizes each other* in order to feel more confident.
There is a commercially available kit by neutrogena becoming available, for specificaly that purpose..

Your skin ( everyone's skin) is an acidic pH, in order to protect your internal system from pollutants/microbes.
Work with that concept for the best results.. do not use something with an alkaline pH, as it will buffer and neutralize your acid mantle, and throw you off balance, allowing both disease causing bacteria and acne bacteria to prolliferate.

Products from NeoStrata ae good...
alpha hydroxy acids you've probably heard of... Glycolic acids are the best for your skin, as they have the smalest molecular structure...
using glycolics helps the skin to speed up exfolliation, and you can even get a special hydroquinone for spot fading...
Look into it.

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zoso
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posted January 21, 2006 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoso     Edit/Delete Message
Hormones have a lot to do with it.

Burt's Bee's soaps are the BEST!!! I use the tomato one for "oily skin", but also, you have to remember not to dry the crap out of your skin as it just makes it worse by clogging your skin with dead cells. So, anyway, the carrot one for "aged or sun-damaged skin" is really good at keeping the balance juuussst riiight.

I fecking love Burt's Bee's!

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themysteryclub
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posted January 21, 2006 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for themysteryclub     Edit/Delete Message
Hey pixelpixie-

Yes, I don't have and pitting (thankfully) and I don't believe scarring..except very dark spots that take FOREVER to fade..and you typed my skin correctly Thank you for the excellent advice.

zoso-Yeah, Burts Bees is awesome

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veroanique
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posted March 28, 2006 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for veroanique     Edit/Delete Message
There's a thread somewhere around here that talks about Milk of Magnesia and how it's perfect for problems such as yours. It says to pat some on your face everynight before going to bed and washing it off in the morning. It's super cheap and can be purchased at a Supermarket or drug store (normally used as an antacid or laxative and taken internally). I tried it on my combination skin, and noticed great results after just one day.

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pixelpixie
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posted March 29, 2006 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
I looked up the pH value of milk of Magnesia.. it is about 10 alkaline.

I urge you NOT to use this method.
It throws off the external pH of your skin, and the skin must work to normalize itself. To avoid drying out of the skin, use an acidic pH to rid the intercellular 'glue' that holds the dead skin on the surface, so your skin cannot effectively rid itself of external/internal toxins.
The highly effective glycolic acid dissolves that 'glue' and leaves healthy cells alone.
Your skin will work and normalize itself beautifully after a cycle of glycolics.
This is science, not guesswork.
Your skin is pH 5.5 or so for a reason, nature knows what she's doing. Applying a base to an acid buffers it and throws it off balance.
Mile of Magnesia is an alkaline. The skin has an acid barrier.

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themysteryclub
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posted March 30, 2006 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for themysteryclub     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for even more advice...and since it has been a while since I last posted, I have very good news!

After doing some research and meeting an professional cosmotoligist I have finally discovered a way that has completely cured my skin!!!!

At night I rub my face with a combination of jojoba oil, vitamin E oil (fresh from the capsule) and tea-tree oil. After doing this and massaging my face I rinse it off with ivory soap and distilled water. THen I put on an 8% alpha-hydroxy cream.

In the morning I splash my face with distilled water, dab on witch-hazel, put on a thin layer of .5% salyclic acid, and then a mixture of hydra-cortizone cream and jojoba oil and tea-tree oil.

It may sound a bit bizarre, but it has worked LIKE A MIRACLE! I have also modified my diet quite a bit and completely eliminated sugar (excepting honey) I have been taking a lot of antioxidents and supplements...

And while I'm at it, I also found a terrific way to fall asleep better at night: I drink a glass of water mixed with 2 tablespoons cherry juice concentrate. The cherry juice has a powerful antioxident and natural melatonin. Thank you everyone for the advice!MOre is still quite welcome

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pixelpixie
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posted March 30, 2006 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Glycolic acid 8%!!!!!(AHA)

Yay!
Seriously! Good stuff.. sounds like a great regimen.
I use a 10% glycolic moisturiser.

Cherry juice sounds great!

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pixelpixie
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posted March 30, 2006 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
I believe the hydra cortizone can be discontinued once your skin has calmed in the long term... it is for inflammation, but don't overdo it.

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loe
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posted March 30, 2006 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for loe     Edit/Delete Message
Mene & moy, has excellent skin products. They work miracels with the skin, and I really advice you to use their products, you wont regret it. The facial vitamin c cream 20, you should use day and night. One tube lasts for two months approxiamatly. This cream will not let your pimples to plupp out and it sloly peels the skin. see if you can find it at a pharmacy, otherwise order it from their website. I think it is www.mene&moy.com but I m not sure. I advice this cream for everybody, even if you don t have serious problem with the skin. two tubes a year is enough to just renew your skin, then use your normal moistorizer.
xxx Loe

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themysteryclub
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posted March 31, 2006 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for themysteryclub     Edit/Delete Message
pixelpixie-
Yeah, the cortizone is only for now until I can get the inflammation down enough...

loe-
thanks for the cream suggestion!

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jkxx
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posted March 31, 2006 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkxx     Edit/Delete Message
TMC,

I noticed that everyone gave you great recommendations on products to directly deal with skin conditions and that you're taking vitamins as it is. There's a couple of others things that could be influencing you (besides the psychology) -

Does your diet include any of the following:
1) "white" sugar, that is bleached or non-cane sugar? If it does, I'd replace that with unrefined sugar since it's a major contributor (sugar substitutes are a whole lot worse)

2) meat/milk/poultry (U.S. produced, non-organic) - it's extremely toxic and would definitely contribute to the breakouts. Try replacing with organic meat/milk/poultry and/or reducing the intake on those foods

3) spices containing MSG

Also, I'd check the cosmetics, things like deodorants, shaving creams, soap, shampoo. Get rid of anything that says it contains

- propylene glycol
- aluminum zirconium tetrachlorohydrex gly
- cocomyde/EDTA
- sodium lauril sulfate and/or
sodium laureth sulfate

(there are others but these are some of the worst and at least some of them will cause skin irritation. propylene glycol gives me horrendous rashes)

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pchan33
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posted March 31, 2006 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pchan33     Edit/Delete Message
hi pixel pixie, can you recommend products with a correct ph balance for the skin? such as a brand to buy. So far phillips is the only thing that worked for me (even proactive couldn't cure this case), and now that I read your post, I don't know what to do.

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pchan33
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posted March 31, 2006 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pchan33     Edit/Delete Message
I'm thinking of buying this product:
http://www.kissmyface.com/Product/Kiss+My+Face/Natural++Face+Care

I'm not sure about the ph level though...any thoughts pixel as to how I could find out?

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pixelpixie
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posted April 01, 2006 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
pH scale is really helpful to remember.

When your stomach if full of acid, you take an antacid, and what happens is the alkaline substance comes along and buffers or neutralizes the acid.

Your skin has an acid mantle. It is nature's way of preventing offending substances from coming in and wreaking havoc.

To promote clear/normalized skin, the utilization of a pH that is similar to your skin, or more acidic for treatment, cleans the skin and respects it's balance.

The cellular cycle can slow for numerous reasons.. one is natural aging... the others are lack of sleep- the body can't work as effecitively, stress, hormones etc.
Some people have dry skin conditions, by nature and so the cycle of skin shedding stays on the surface of the skin, preventing moisture from penetrsating to the deeper layers. AHA, or Glycolic Acid dissolves the dead skin cells, allowing moisture to penetrate and normalizing the skin. You can have a deep deep moisturizer, yet it wil not penetrate and will rinse away if there are too many dead skin cells in the way. AHA's address this, and within less than a month, of regular use, your skin wil finally be able to 'breathe and receive moisture.

Similarily, Oily/combination skin, where the sebum pumps out at a faster rate, depending upon where the pores are located,(T-zone/all over) The skin cycle still happens, dead cells fall off, but if the pore becomes clogged, sebum backs up and can't escape, and it results in acne, or pustules/papules, comodones ( blackheads) or whitheads. Also, when one over scrubs/washes the face to much, the balance is thrown off, it is over stimulated and tells itself to produce more oil, exascerbating the problem.. so your washing regimen should be basically two times a day. With maintenance in between ( If you are shiny, blot with oil absorbing papers, rather than washing.)

When AHA is applied and a regimen is followed, the clogged cells shed, and are prevented in the future with continued use, allowing the skin to work effectively.

So it addresses any skin condition.

The proper pH can be found in plenty of products.. and all the ones which are dermatologist reccomended.
Glycolic is a branch of Alpha Hydroxy Acids that has a smaller molecular structure, and is therefore easily tolerated by the skin and works effectively.
Ask the company,ask for pH, ask for percentages, ask for ingredient listings. If they have the proper formula, they will want to tell you.

I reccomend Neo Strata
always. So do Doctors.

Hope I helped, this is all top of my head, so you can verify or expand by seeking information or googling Neo Strata

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posted April 01, 2006 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pchan33     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks so much for the info, pixel. I have a shiny face usually (the orange peel look you described) and it is sensitive as well. I will check out neo strata for sure.

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pchan33
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posted April 16, 2006 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pchan33     Edit/Delete Message
I'm disappointed in neostrata. I'm breaking out more than ever. I had really high hopes. I think it is just too moisturizing for my skin, even though I bought the one for oily skin.

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pixelpixie
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posted April 17, 2006 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
How long have you been using it?

It's greasy?
Did you get the green banded line? The matifying fluid with 8% glycolic?

And it's greasy? I am surprised.
Keep using it, don't discontinue it , give it a chance.
There is no oil in it, and the texture is fast absorbed....
are you also using a pH balanced cleanser? A Neo Strata cleanser?
Tell me he products you are iusing, and maybe I can help.
It shouldn't feel greasy in the least,. it's reccomended for teens suffering from acne because there is no oil added....

Withihn ten days, you should see results.. within thirty, amazing results.
Keep using it, really!!!!

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posted April 20, 2006 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nebel     Edit/Delete Message
I'd like to add my two cents worth to this argument

I am a Naturopath, and I agree with most of the suggestions made here. Diet/stress etc all play their part in acne. However I must stress in the strongest possible way how much I urge you to avoid cortizone treatments. Unless you have a product that is very different from the cortizone used here in Australia, it is something I strongly recommend you discontinue. Why?:

cortizone is a drug that basically (from a holistic viewpoint) SUPPRESSES your skin problems and forces them deeper into your system to re-emerge somewhere else in your body at a later stage. In most cases your lungs. Acne is your bodies way of letting you know there is something wrong. A toxic memory you buried when you were younger, a liver problem, a digestive upset or even a hormonal imbalance. Acne is RIGHT IN YOUR FACE and it won't let you forget it!! (I know, I've been battling acne for 7 years (I'm now 25) after being abused by my then partner).

In my opinion you must address the underlying cause of your acne, not suppress it.

I know you say you have delt with your pain and got away from that situation - but if you are still getting acne, I believe you have still got stuff you need to deal with

I really understand how exciting it is to see your acne dissapearing But cortizone is a pharmaceutical drug that is designed to get rid of skin problems - whatever the cost.

For me, I found these approaches worked best:
-Omega 3 fish oils (Essential Fatty Acids help your whole body on a number of levels),
-NOT washing my face with soap! I use plain water, then use a witch hazel/lemon oil/rosehip oil splash as a moisturiser. As far as I'm concerned, any creams/lotions etc only create more trouble. Your skin needs a break
-Agnes vitex-castus or Chaste Tree capsules did wonders for my hormonal cycle.
-keeping a diary allowed me to keep track of any food intollerances (Wheat/SUGAR!!/Pork were the worst foods) & when during my cycle the acne was worse (for me 10-15 days before my cycle).

I hope you can take what i've said as a suggestion from a friend to a friend only. I know everyone will have a different opinion on this, but I just hope you find whatever works for you

LOL
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divinia
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posted April 20, 2006 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for divinia     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for the wonderful information, Nebel! I have been blessed with good skin, but your input may give me just the impetus I need to take Chaste Tree supplements (if interested, read my post in SunChild's thread). I'm glad you wrote about it.

P.S. That is great skin care info as well! I currently wash with KissMyFace olive oil soap, but the regimen you described sounds very interesting and logical.

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What wisdom can you find that is greater than kindness? -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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pixelpixie
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posted April 20, 2006 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
The not washing with soap...
This goes back to the idea of pH again.... soap is generally a base pH.... which will throw off the balance of your skin... so yes, it will 'clean' ( I suppose) but it leaves you vulnerable.
Cleansers should not leave you tight and dry, no matter your skin type... they should leave your skin comfortable.

Not a debate or an argument at all, from this end, just providing information to help.

I agree about the cortizone. Messing with any steroid derivative/hormonal one should not be taken lightly.

Omega 3-6-9!!! Yes!! Start or Continue taking these!! Definately! Essential for a reason, and not found in abundance in the average diet, and also not mnnufactured by the body, but needed for healthy cells.

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