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D for Defiant
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posted June 16, 2006 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
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posted June 17, 2006 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for marsconjunctmercury     Edit/Delete Message
DFD. Well done. You just decided to improve the rest of your life.
I obviously couldn't be bothered to read every word you just wrote because i'm a 4 planet Sagittarian and just want the jist of everything or people to get straight to the point. BUT i feel your energy and have read previous posts of yours. Here's what you do. STOP eating anything containng animals today. BELIEVE me when i started i knew it was worth while but would sometimes deviate and then think ' i wonder if that was ok that i did that?' Of course it wasn't and over time i noticed that my immediate 'cause and effect' (karma) was significantly being steered by how i reacted to my conscience. NOW because the seed of KNOWING you shouldn't eat animal ingredients is in your conscience you've no way out now but to preclude it from your diet. If you need constant reminding and harrassment to do it - i'm here. I can remind you how animals are treated, caged, slaughtered, tortured, abused, bred, captured, starved, sold, skinned, ignored, shouted at, hit, need i go on...
Everytime you feel WEAK and just like most other muppets walking the streets, and you want to reach for that Mars Bar (which contains animal ingredients), just remember what your conscience has told you. Know that you have YOUR freedom and let that help you overcome your weakness when faced with temptation. DO IT.
I'm so proud of you if you do, especially with the struggle you continue to go through in your life. You're a special person if you struggle yourself but still work to free other beings from suffering. Getv ready to rise DFD. Do it today.
You can email me anytime if you feel like you're in danger of relapsing into the evil world of ignoring animals and i'll keep steering you. Remember our journey is really about others, and not 'the self'.
marsconjunctmercury@yahoo.co.uk

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posted June 18, 2006 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for marsconjunctmercury     Edit/Delete Message
...anyway, doesn't omnivore mean eater of anything and everything. Lol!

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posted June 18, 2006 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for salome     Edit/Delete Message
my experience with being veggie is that it's like a huge, prolonged detox on your system....

you may not notice it day to day, but over time, you will notice its effect on your over all being.

for this reason, and especially as your system is already delicate, i would consider following Linda's guidelines in Star Signs ~ gradually incorporating a veggie lifestyle.

maybe modified to suit your needs, but as a general guideline. another very good source for making the veggie transition is Fit For Life, by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond. they explain a lot of excellent concepts in a forthright fashion seldom available anywhere....and their principles are very well founded and researched.

they too advocate a slow transition to a veggie lifestyle. their approach helped me understand and improve my overall health in the most transformational way. it was after reading their work that i knew in my heart that being veggie was essential for me. my veggie status has remained %100 since my encounter with them, and i've never even felt the slightest inclination to regress.

juicing fresh juice i believe would improve your health tremendously. it seems that flushing your system of toxins is of immediate necessity. juicing will do this for you in the most noticable and astounding way! fresh veggie juices...carrot, celery, with some herbs such as parsley and ginger, mixed with some green apple would bring you the most awesome results...

you'll notice the effects immediately...in your skin and feeling of well-being. it would be a great gift to give yourself.

an excellent juicer, not too expensive, is the Jack LaLanne Power Juicer. it's unique feature is a wide feed tube that is designed so that you can juice the whole fruit or veggie without chopping them first. this is a great time saver and so improves the juicing effort. this from someone who's chopped and juiced a lot.
also easy clean up.
http://www.powerjuicer.com/?src=JL249TG

i hope you find and success and happiness on your path to healing and wellness.

love and light, salome

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posted June 20, 2006 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message
Along the juice line, try this give your body a boost:

In a juicer add: 1 red apple, cut into chunks, 3-4 carrots, cut into chunks, 1 beet, washed well and cut into chunks, 1 healthy handful of fresh parsely.

It will look awful, but tastes sweet and pretty good. Once you start feeling good from eating foods that matter you will cut back on the salt/preservatives/sugars added to many foods and go more toward better-for-you foods.

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posted June 20, 2006 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
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posted June 20, 2006 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
I used to be on Seroquel for severe insomnia...ugh..I hated it! I don't know what you take it for, but is there any way you could go off or switch to something else?

Did you gain weight on seroquel? I sure as hell did...I gained a HELL of a lot of weight, lol. It was a nightmare, I'm so glad I'm off it. I felt soooo much better being off it...in so many ways. However, I understand that you may really need it for whatever is ailing you.

Anyhow, sorry to rant and rave....

My suggestion would be to try digestive enzymes and probiotics. And to continue getting a lot of fiber in your diet.

Just a guess, good luck and keep us posted.

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posted June 20, 2006 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for marsconjunctmercury     Edit/Delete Message
I think cannabis taken orally (not smoked) is good for alot of things, including insomnia, mild depression, dispondancy etc. I'm just off to purchase some in a minute actually.

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posted June 22, 2006 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarenSD     Edit/Delete Message
I have two words (and a punctuation mark) about the query posted here:

GO VEGAN!

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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 23, 2006 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for marsconjunctmercury     Edit/Delete Message

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IQhunk -

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Well, for every one point that all of you like about me, I can list three.

4th December 1974 18:00GMT Southampton UK

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posted June 23, 2006 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
D for Defiant~

It's been said that happiness on Planet Earth is "good health and a bad memory."

Not too far from the truth, eh?

I've had a lot of seemingly untreatable health problems myself. I cannot even tell you how much sadness I feel when I hear of your story, or the story of anyone who is really struggling with their health, whether it is physical or mental.

I wish there was soemthing I could do to make you feel better. I know there probably isn't!

I just hope you don't feel completely alone...I hope you have family or close friends who love and accept you and are truly there for you.

You're in my thoughts.


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posted June 23, 2006 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
BTW, I have this burning question for you vegetarians and vegans, out of my sheer curiosity, that's all:

Have you read "The Old Man and the Sea" by Ernest Hemingway and if you have read it, what do you think about the story? I wanted to ask an affectionate Aries acqaintaince of mine, a Britsh poet, novelist who enjoys some fame, who claimed that he had 10 honorary doctor's degrees- Benjamin Zephaniah, but he could not answer my questions because he wasn't sure where the heck Hemingway was from and what the book was about! And he's also in the literature profession, a "Westerner" who's 22 years older than me! So...please, what is your opinion on "The Old Man and the Sea", as a vegetarian or as a vegan? I was in agony all the while when I read this novel and eventually finished it, although I would decline to accuse Hemingway of anything. I think he was a good writer, he had his own unique, seemingly simple but profoundly philosophical writing style, an extraordinary life- even though his passions, among other things, were bull-fighting, hunting and deep-sea fishing...

Please tell me what you think (of the novel), thanx

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posted June 23, 2006 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
Gooberzlostlovefound,

You said in your second post here that there was probably nothing you could have done to make me feel better. Well, you were wrong. The mere action of your replying to me made me feel better.

I am touched and grateful that I would be in your thoughts, but what was the frowning face for? Whose sadness was it exactly?

You made me feel and realize that I am not alone- and yet you seem so uncertain, insecure and pessimistic, negavistic about your actions and how influential you could be for other people's lives.

To tell you the truth, my only "friends" are my psychiatrists, both my present one and my "ex", along with some other resident psychiatrists whom I also have known at the same psychiatric hospital (P.S. I don't live in either the US or the UK. I've been back to Taiwan for about two years- hence the very different medical system). My only so-called "friend" is, or perhaps "used to be", Benjamin Zephaniah, a "reformed" vegan Jamaican British poet and novelist who is sun sign Aries (and one that rejects astrology as complete bulls**t in a very ignorant fashion) and though getting in contact with me quite often, but I personally think I've intuitively known that he did all this not for my sake, but for his own- so typical of him. So narcissistic. As for my family- they are my problems. As if things are not bad enough. My so-called legal/biological parents are two dumba**es. They drive me mad and in essence, I could accuse them for "driving me mad". They've been doing this for the last 26 years, and to this day, they are still doing it. I've been considering starting a topic about my nightmarish parents- my nightmarish "family" actually, like, for example, "How I manage to get along with them a little better using my knowledge on astrology".

This reply has pratically nothing to do with the theme- vegetarianism. But I just want you to know, Gooberzlostlovefound, that thank you, but I just finished reading all the messages for your thread "Feeling terrible about myself" (my apologies if I recalled the title incorrectly) and forgive me, but I have to be blunt- you have your own internal demons to deal with. Your intention/motivation may have been benign; however, I am going to say a few words in response to your "feeling so terrible about yourself".

One thing that has to do with my vegetarianization and my "parents"- when I first decided to go vegan at the age of 14 (and stayed vegan for a year, the longest so far throughout all these on-and-off years), my "parents", my "mother" in particular, furiously protested; and later I found out that the day I wanted to adapt a vegan diet, this brutal, assautive, stupid c**t cooked animal-derived soup and pretended that it was plant-based soup, and I was cheated. Now my childhood memories are coming back again as well. I still vividly remember how I detested the taste of meat, especially the liver- and this savage c**t would push chunks (?) of liver into my mouth, no matter how hard I resisted, she would forced me to carry out what she wanted. I would cry and scream, while this c**t was forcibly pushing liver into my mouth. At times she would hit me because I wouldn't eat her horrible food- liver, meat chunks, chicken foot (NOT legs- feet.) thick-and stinking soup with plain semi-brown rice. Nothing else. No vegetables whatsoever.

Still, I vehemently disagree with your statement that support the idea of "good health and bad memories". NOT all memories are "bad", and you cannot possess "good health" if you cling to "bad memories". Besides, how do you define "good health"? A big question. My f***ing "parents" would tell you that the "answer" is what THEY consider healthful food, no matter how terrible it tastes. And THAT'S ALL. They suck a big time. They don't even know what they believe in. Are they pro-vegetarianism or anti-vegetarianism? They don't even know. I resent their stupidity, ignorance, and incompetence as the people who have raised a child and the people who have been repeatedly murdering the child with the same old tricks.

"Good health and bad memories"- this does not make any sense. Forgive my harsh words. I would like to thank you again for your concern, but in restrospect, you may have been able to, in simple terms, make me worse by giving me your own illusional false beliefs. You need to examine why you have been so unhappy and so self-contradicted for, like, maybe over two weeks? Excuse me, I'm being manic, I think, hence all this long c**p, bad attitude and so forth.

No frowning face here and now. For me, no matter how bad it is, I've got to face it and fight it, and win.

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posted June 23, 2006 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
D for Defiant~

The intention behind me post was to be kind and understanding.

I'm not sure why my quote made you so angry -- if anything, it is meant to be humorous. I can't remember who said it.

Good luck with your health.

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posted June 24, 2006 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
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posted July 12, 2006 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I may have missed it but I did not see anyone mention the good old constipation relievers.
PRUNES
PRUNE JUICE WITH PULP
PRUNE JUICE WITHOUT PULP
APRICOTS
BROCOLLI

Drink the prune juice cold or hot. Drink at least 8 ounces/cup before bedtime. Then another upon arising.

If you do not like prunes then mix with any fruit juice and sweeten more if need be.

If alchohol is not a restricted item in your diet, add a shot of hard liquor(this drink is called a pile driver) or mix it with wine 50/50.(that drink is called holy $hit)...heard that from a 90 year old dude. It works.

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posted July 13, 2006 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
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posted July 13, 2006 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
D for Defiant
A small glass of prune juice before bed should not keep you up.
Start out with trying it slowly to see how your body reacts.
Heh heh..
Too much too fast and whoa! EXPLOSIVE diarrhea! Yikers!
Or go with dried prunes, plums and apricots. Just eat them as snacks! Greens are great too. Spinach, collards, radish, kale, mustard...the darker the better. Raw or steamed, or even put in a blender and then drink hot or cold. Might want to add a little water and salt or herbs and spices as desired.

Ask your doctor about Zelnorm and Lomoto. These can help if your troubles are usually constipation and not diarrhea. But as long as they do not clash with your other meds.

But avoid alcohol in your case.

May I ask why the surgery? You are so young to have been through so much.

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posted July 13, 2006 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Fayte Those are some of the most fun cures for constipation I have ever seen. I couldn't help but be curious last night, so I had a glass of wine and prune juice mixed. It didn't taste bad at all. (But it didn't have your described effect on me. Perhaps because it was a somewhat small glass, maybe 4 oz. of each.)

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posted July 14, 2006 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
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posted July 14, 2006 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
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