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Topic: Anti-depressents?
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ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted July 08, 2006 01:41 PM
 
Anti-depressents- do they work? Or is depression just caused by one's environment?IP: Logged |
salome
Knowflake Posts: 1038
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Registered: Nov 2005
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posted July 08, 2006 01:49 PM
*~*~* bach flower essences *~*~*amazing remedy for almost anything.  IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 08, 2006 02:07 PM
A very complex question. There are a lot of different opinions here. My belief is that there is a genetic susceptibility to depression on varying degrees. Some people are simply naturally depressed no matter what. Some peopel never get depressed. The lack of activity, isolation, and poor diet in our society, however, certainly adds to the problem.In my opinion the best antidote for depression is cardiovascular exercise in the sun. The sun and exercise both fight depression incredibly well. Sometimes this is easier said than done. Perhaps a morning walk? Anti-depressants do work, there are many different kinds that work at different levels for different people. Hopefully you have a psychiatrist who will find the right one for you. If you are currently seeing a nurse or a general practicioner, I would request a psychiatrist, they know more about each individual med and how it functions. It's really an individual choice. They aren't going to permanently harm you, and many people in our society are on them. On the other hand, if you can fight your way out with exercise, better diet, sunlight, and socializing, then that might be a better course of action. It depends on how much will power you have, which while depressed, can be hard to muster. I wish you luck in your journey, depression is a difficult demon to overcome, but it can be done. IP: Logged |
sue g
Knowflake Posts: 5652
From: former land of the leprechaun
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted July 08, 2006 04:36 PM
here here to Bach Flower remediesI am taking three at the moment..... And they work.... For me.....!!!!   My experience of drugs is very limited....i took a valium when I was 18 (my father gave it to me cos I was upset) and I have never forgotten the experience...which sadly was a very negative one... IP: Logged |
salome
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Registered: Nov 2005
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posted July 08, 2006 05:04 PM
which ones ms. sue?these are the ones i'm alternating with in the last few days: chicory
chestnut bud
centaury
star of bethlehem
gentian
impatiens
walnut
elm  (gorse, larch, crabapple and agrimony are in my standard intake also.) yes they work....they are so exquisite and so very effective! 
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ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 220
From: the capricious clouds
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted July 08, 2006 05:43 PM
Thankyou, sweetpeas- I will look into it IP: Logged |
sue g
Knowflake Posts: 5652
From: former land of the leprechaun
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted July 09, 2006 07:35 AM
Hi SalomeI am taking impatiens, holly and walnut the first one for motherhood, the second one cos I am a Scorpio and the third one for changes in my life? How are you doing?  IP: Logged |
salome
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posted July 09, 2006 08:30 AM
i love learning of the more esoteric indications for the essences...applying their use astrologically is excellent.there was one that Gia mentioned once, i think, that enhances psychic abilities... i love how the essences work on different levels as well... i've read that olive alleviates monthly pain when used as a compress on the temples. my favorites are water violet and rock water.  dear sue, we are happy and well in the arms of the nurturing universe.  be well also, in the arms of spirit and the embrace of love. IP: Logged |
D for Defiant
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Registered: May 2006
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posted July 09, 2006 09:14 AM
Theoretically, antidepressants do work. However, treatments for depression involve many other things. Not only medications. There are more- a great deal more than antidepressants. Ultimately, it is essential that you have met the "right" psychiatrist/physician or psychotherapist. If the person who plays the role of your helper is the wrong one, than nothing works. I wish you best of luck fighting depression  ------------------
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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 2401
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted July 09, 2006 01:52 PM
From an esoteric (or mystical) perspective,
it is all in the Spirit.
From an occult perspective,
it is all in the soul.
From the point of view of philosophy,
it is all in the mind.
From the point of view of brain chemistry,
it is all in the brain.
From a historical perspective,
it is all about environment.
From a genetic perspective,
it is all about heredity........But it is all these things,
and any one of them. Changing any one thing,
changes the whole. Close your eyes and strike.
The center is everywhere! "Show me a point in the universe,
and I shall lift the world out of its hinges." - Archimedes IP: Logged |
genuine
Knowflake Posts: 3
From: Adelaide, SA, Australia
Registered: Jun 2006
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posted July 09, 2006 04:00 PM
I personally abhor anti depressents, I had a horrible reaction to zoloft some years back, I thought I was going to die. My family panicked and rang some hotline because I looked so pale. I remember I was so weak, I could barely stand up. I only tried zoloft to appease my psychiatrist at the time. I don't feel comfortable about taking something that tinkers with the chemicals in my brain. Not of the manufactured kind anyway. I believe each to their own though, if it works for some people then great. ------------------
Those who discourage you from your Dreams have likely given up on their own! IP: Logged |
D for Defiant
Knowflake Posts: 245
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Registered: May 2006
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posted July 10, 2006 01:57 AM
genuine I have had personal bad experiences about antidepressants too. That's why I said in my previous post that "theoretically" they work. However, they are certainly not for me. Prescribers ought to be extremely cautious when giving patients antidepressants. The worst case scenario can be antidepressant-induced mania or suicidal ideation. One of the most problematic side effects is sexual dysfunction, esp for men. There's a thread called "Suicide" in the Astrology forum, which was among the most discussed topics a while back. I mentioned the review I wrote for "Autopsy of a Suicidal Mind" at Amazon.com- the 33-yr-old, Caucasian male physician-lawyer who commited suicide had suffered from major depressive disorder almost all his life, and he was a empirical (excuse my non-native English, the use may not be accurate) example of how antidepressants do not work for certain individuals (tbc) ------------------
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fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 4721
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted July 10, 2006 07:04 PM
Be careful of those antidepressants. I have known of some who nearly died from drugs such as Prozac and related to Prozac etcetera. Some folks go into seizures and some have died.
As to the bach flower essences,
ONLY if you are not allergic to them.
Natural is not always safe if you have allergies to many flower species and cotton as I do. Uticaria and Anaphylaxis are no fun.------------------
~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS- IP: Logged |
D for Defiant
Knowflake Posts: 245
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Registered: May 2006
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posted July 10, 2006 10:44 PM
It is positive that antidepressants do NOT always work. Beware of bipolar disorder which antidepressants may also induce- or underlied bipolar disorder (manic-depression) not having been diagnosed and the patient receives an antidepressant, resulting bipolar disorder; worse, the illness can become rapid-cycling (which is one of the worst things that can happen). I read an article about how the drinking water in Britain contain slight amount of antidepressants, and that's astonishing- many ppl don't even really need the medications- all they would need is just sufficient exercise, balanced nutrition intake, or some of them may suffer from hypothyroidism...once these problems are fixed, then often the individuals wouldn't even need antidepressants. I've met some idiotic psychiatrists back in England- hospitable, sincere, but idiotic. So don't think they're always right. They're not. They frequently gave me wrong advice and the wrong drugs, with the wrong dosages. As for Prozac (fluoxetine) and other antidepressants- just don't think of them as panacea or the only solution when it comes to depression. Some of them can be used to treat mental illnesses other than depressive disorders etc, BUT just don't depend on them too much. Then again, they'd probably work, I guess, in spite of my personal bad experiences. ------------------
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intothelight
Knowflake Posts: 19
From: Ireland
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted July 11, 2006 05:30 PM
Hi Everyone,I was on anti- depressants after marriage break down, split family and move to a different country. I only stayed on them for 2 months, the effect they had on me were appaling, like something had crawled into my brain and just sat there like a heavy weight. I started college and kept busy and somehow the sun shone again, life still is not great but I feel more able to cope with all my problems. I would be very interested to know what alternatives there are to cope more easily with, grief / stress / menopause / anger / etc. Many thanks Anne xxx IP: Logged |
D for Defiant
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Registered: May 2006
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posted July 12, 2006 03:06 AM
intothelight,Very good questions. I've begun my private studies on depression. I certainly hope that I will come up with some ideas about, if not discover, better alternatives than antidepressants. I know how appalling they can be ------------------
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GeminiLover75
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Registered: Apr 2006
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posted July 12, 2006 03:45 AM
There are natural alternatives to anti-depressants, one of them being a substance called SAM-e. I read all about them in a book by Patrick Holford called 'Natural Highs'. I've been feeling quite down lately and have been thinking about trying some of these natural mood boosters.The book is here: http://www.cassmd.com/Nat.Highs/Nat.High.1.html I'll try to find some solid info on the remedies they mention though. IP: Logged |
GeminiLover75
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Registered: Apr 2006
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posted July 12, 2006 03:47 AM
I just found this page about SAM-e. Apparently it's not a natural supplement, but here's the info anyway: http://www.berkeleywellness.com/html/ds/dsSAMe.php IP: Logged |
GeminiLover75
Knowflake Posts: 326
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Registered: Apr 2006
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posted July 12, 2006 03:49 AM
I just found this page about natural anti-depressants (5-HTP is one of the ones mentioned in the Patrick Holford book). http://www.amoryn.com/zznaturalanti-depressants.html
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