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(NewsTarget) Modern medicine is firmly founded on the “Germ Theory of Disease” promulgated by Louis Pasteur in the 1860’s. Pasteur’s 140-year-old theory is still the medical paradigm upon which Western medicine fights disease as we enter the 21st century.

But with a huge increase today in infectious diseases and the rapidly rising epidemic of cancer, diabetes, heart disease and other chronic illnesses; we have to wonder if Pasteur’s theory is really that sound.

Consider this alarming statistic from a report commissioned by the Nutrition Institute of America in October, 2003: 2.2 million hospital patients suffer Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) to prescribed medicine each year leading to the deaths of 106,000 people. In other words, over 2,000 Americans die each week from properly prescribed medicine in properly prescribed doses.

This is a serious indictment of pharmaceutical medicine which is inextricably based on Pasteur’s germ theory.

According to Pasteur:

· Germs, or microbes, cause disease
· Germs invade the body from the outside, i.e., air, water, or food
· Human blood is sterile and can only be infected by outside microbes
· Germs are monomorphic, i.e., they have only one form and can be identified by species
· Specific diseases are caused by specific germs
· Germs should be killed by pharmaceutical drugs

In the 1870s Pasteur’s germ theory was developed further by William Koch, a contemporary and rival of Pasteur, whose proofs of the germ theory are still known today as “Koch’s Postulates”. See Koch’s Postulates at ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch's_postulates )

Basically, Koch’s contribution to the germ theory was to prove that a specific type of germ caused a specific disease, that the germ would be found in all people suffering from that particular disease but not healthy people, and that every person exposed to these germs would fall ill with disease.

However, Koch had to abandon part of his first postulate when he discovered that healthy people could carry the germs of certain diseases and yet show no symptoms. He also had to revise his third postulate when it was shown that some people could be exposed to virulent germs yet not catch the disease.

The “proofs” of the new Germ Theory were already showing flaws.

Still, despite being highly controversial in the late 1800s, the Germ Theory was quickly adopted by the medical powers of the day. This new theory about germs invading from outside the body empowered the medical and pharmaceutical industry as guardians of human and animal health. People became dependent on the fledgling medical/drugs industry for information and protection from disease. Thus, Modern Medicine was born.

A number of eminent scientists opposed Pasteur and The Germ Theory, most notably the highly respected Professor Antoine Béchamp. Béchamp was a reserved, modest man and a much more distinguished scientist than the self-promoting chemist, Louis Pasteur. (It is believed today that Pasteur stole much of Béchamp’s work and passed it off as his own. This prompted R.B. Pearson to write a book in the 1940s called “Pasteur, Plagiarist, Imposter.”) See text at ( http://www.whale.to/a/b/pearson.html )

Béchamp and other scientists believed in the theory of pleomorphism, that a microbe could evolve through many forms from virus to bacterium to yeast to fungus to mold and could even de-evolve back to a pre-virus again. Béchamp could see this evolution and de-evolution clearly in his microscope. Big Medicine rejected pleomorphism back then just as it will not even look at pleomorphic phenomena filmed and documented by scientists today, such as Dr. Robert O. Young in San Diego, California.

Another of Béchamp’s contemporaries, Claude Bernard, expounded on the pleomorphic theory and said that the inner terrain or “milieu interieur” was the cause of disease, and not microbes. It was discovered that acidic blood and tissue provide a terrain that is ideal for disease to develop. When the terrain becomes acidic, microbes evolve into pathogenic forms and carry out the work nature designed them to do – as cleaners and undertakers, scavenging inflamed or infected tissue.

The acidity or acid/alkaline balance of the blood is measured by pH, the potential of Hydrogen, see ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH ) and is a very important marker for good health. The blood will do all it can to keep its pH at 7.365, or slightly alkaline. It will even strip alkaline reserves like calcium from the bones to buffer a rise in acidity. (This can lead to a condition labelled by modern medicine as osteoporosis.)

When the pH drops, even by .1, the increase in acidity is interpreted by the microbes, already present in the body in their billions, as a sign of a dead or dying body. This prompts them to morph from benign bacteria into virulent yeast and mold so that they can reduce the body to the dust from whence it came.

Even Pasteur eventually realized the truth of this and on his death-bed said that “Bernard was right... the microbe is nothing; the terrain is everything.” But Big Medicine now chose to ignore him. They sensed that the germ theory provided a gilt-edged opportunity to amass a huge fortune.

Béchamp and others in the scientific community opposed the germ theory and advocated the theory of pleomorphism, saying:

· Acidic terrain, not germs, cause disease
· Germs are already in the body by the billions and don’t necessarily have to come from without (although that can sometimes happen)
· Blood is not sterile but can contain many microbial forms
· Germs are pleomorphic, i.e., they can change through many forms (Dr Gaston Naessens identified a microbe undergoing 16 different stages of evolution)
· Virtually all diseases are caused by acidic terrain
· Diseases can be prevented or reversed by increasing the alkalinity of the terrain

What led Professor Béchamp to formulate his pleomorphic theory was the discovery of great numbers of small grainy objects in live blood samples which he observed through his microscope. Many of his contemporaries dismissed these tiny life forms as laboratory contamination which were of no importance. But they intrigued Béchamp. He named them “microzymas” or “little bodies”.

He found microzymas present in every cell in the bloodstream, in animals, in plants, and even in rocks. He found them present in the remains of dead animals many years after the animal’s body had withered away to dust. He observed that in a healthy organism, microzymas work at repairing and nourishing all cells; but when the terrain becomes acidic, the microzymas morph into viruses, bacteria, yeast, fungus, and mold and prepare to break the host down.

Béchamp’s work was ignored, ridiculed, suppressed, and soon forgotten. Down through the years, some scientists discovered pleomorphic phenomena for themselves - Enderlein, Rife, Reich, Livingston-Wheeler, Naessens, and more recently, in the U.S., Dr. Robert O. Young (San Diego) and Dr. David Jubb (New York). Most had no recourse to the works of earlier scientists and thought that their discoveries were unique to them. Like Béchamp before them, they too found their discoveries ignored or suppressed.

All of them were fascinated with the “little bodies” that Béchamp had called “microzymas”. Enderlein called them “protits”, Livingston-Wheeler called them “Progenitor cryptocides”, and Naessens called them “somatids”. But all found that they couldn’t destroy these “little bodies” even when subjecting them to excessive carbonizing temperatures or high dosage radiation.

Dr. David Jubb calls them “Colloids of Life” and says that they are indestructible. They resist “enormous heat, radiation, and chemicals and can reside in petrochemical solution, in hot rock deep within the Earth, in meteorites and in radioactive water inside nuclear power stations. Upon the loss of life of its host, colloid of life return to the earth. A colloid of life is the unknown factor between the animate and the inanimate.” (Jubbs Cell Rejuvenation, p.14.)

That last sentence has quite a resonance. Dr. Jubb is saying that colloids of life, or microzymas, are the smallest observable life forms between spirit and matter.

We still have a lot to learn about life, medicine, and healing but we need to approach these things with an open, inquisitive mind.

How long will it take modern medicine to accept that germs don’t cause disease but only appear as a result of disease? Who will fund research into the pleomorphic work begun by Béchamp, Enderlein, Rife and others? Who is brave enough to confront Big Pharma’s doctrinaire, Pasteurian approach to drug based medicine?

When a group of people are exposed to a virus or food toxin, modern medicine examines only those who get sick. What they should do is examine those who didn’t get sick. One would no doubt find that the sick people had acidic blood and tissue while those who didn’t succumb to the virus/toxin were alkaline. Therein lies the key to health.

Disease cannot take hold in an alkaline body. An alkalising diet and way of living can prevent and reverse disease. But don’t expect this to be endorsed by orthodox medicine – there’s no profit in it.

Recommended reading: “Sick And Tired...” and “The pH Miracle” by Dr. Robert O. Young, “Rethinking Pasteur’s Germ Theory” by Dr. Nancy Appleton, “Alkalize Or Die” by Dr.T.A. Baroody, “The Cancer Cure That Worked” by Barry Lynes, “Jubbs Cell Rejuvenation” by Dr. David Jubb, and “The Blood And Its Third Anatomical Element” by Prof. Antoine Béchamp.

About the author:
Gabriel Donohoe is a writer, researcher, and natural health therapist. He practises Kinesiology, EFT, and Nutritional Microscopy at his clinic in Ireland.

http://www.newstarget.com/022332.html

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Foods that Alkalise (alkalize):

Vegetables:
Spinach, asparagus, broccoli, carrots, celery, cucumber, lettuce, courgette, cabbage, greens, swede, squash (summer, butternut, yellow etc), peppers, chili, tomato, onion, garlic, chickpeas, pinto beans, kidney beans, spring onion, root ginger

Salads:
Lettuce, spinach, celery, cucumber, nuts (aside from peanuts and cashews), seeds, avocado, carrots etc.

Herbs & Spices:
Basil, parsley, mint, coriander, ginger, cumin etc.

Essential Fats:
Flax/Linseed, Evening Primrose, Olive Oil, Avocado Oil or an oil blend such as Udo' Choice

Fruits:
ONLY - Lemons, Lime, Grapefruit, Watermelon, Tomato, Avocado - all other fruits to be used quite sparingly

Grasses:
Wheat, barley, kamut, lemon, shave etc.

Sprouts:
Alfalfa, mung bean, broccoli, radish, wheat, lentil, fenugreek etc.

Dips and Sauces:
Pesto, hummus, tahini, guacamole etc.

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Foods that Acidify:

- Sugar
- Dairy Products
- Meat (aside from occasional coldwater fish)
- Caffeine
- Tobacco
- Wheat (aside from sprouts or wheatgrass)
- Fruit (apart from those mentioned above)
- 'Bad' fats (saturated, trans fatty acids, hydrogenated)
- Junk/ Processed foods
- Fizzy drinks
- Peanuts and Cashews
- Pasta and White Rice
- Condiments

The most effective way to reverse the trend of over-acidification and to create a more harmonious acid alkaline balance is to ‘cleanse’ the body of toxins and rapidly create an alkaline environment in which the body can heal itself. Cleansing and beginning an alkaline diet is a natural, holistic method of healing in which the body detoxifies itself and regenerates healthy vibrant cells, effectively becoming more alkaline and less acid.

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posted December 07, 2007 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yourfriendinspirit     Edit/Delete Message

Zala Absolutely flippin' beautiful!!!

People really do need to take control of their health, get educated, and stop relying on these ancient ideas still being practiced and taught in the medical field today.

The information you provided is invaluable!

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!


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posted December 07, 2007 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I have been teaching this for years. You can't "catch" anything. Contagion is a myth. As far as bacteria go, they simply break down dead or dying tissue. And viruses are simply bits of cellular matter, so viruses actually don't exist at all in the way that we think they do. "Bacteria cause disease like flies cause garbage."--T. C. Fry

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posted December 07, 2007 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks my lovely!

I have been on a 'diet' to continue losing baby weight and I am following much the same principles to good health.

It's just the reminder I need though, because this week, I have been falling into the 'eat for reward' trap that I am conditioned to, and have *just* caught the cold that's going around my home.
I'll 'get back on that horse' tomorrow.

Fascinating!

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posted December 08, 2007 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Zala for providing precious information!

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posted December 09, 2007 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystique     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for this reminder Zala

I have a question though....Linda taught us that oranges are very good for us but I don't see them on the Alkaline fruits list
They are in same family as lemons and grapefruit so was it just an oversight or are they acidic?

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posted December 09, 2007 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Randall, I've been curious about this since yesterday.....
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You can't "catch" anything. Contagion is a myth.
What about the Black Plague and other pandemics that appear to be passed from person to person?? From Wiki:
"The plague disease, caused by Yersinia pestis, is enzootic in populations of ground rodents in central Asia, but it is not entirely clear where the fourteenth-century pandemic started. The most popular theory places the first cases in the steppes of Central Asia, though some speculate that it originated around northern India, and others, like scholar Michael W. Dols, argue that the historical evidence concerning epidemics in the Mediterranean and specifically the Plague of Justinian point to a probability that the Black Death originated in Africa and spread to central Asia, where it then became entrenched among the rodent population."

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posted December 09, 2007 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
A cold is just a body-initiated detox. Overlooking the power of belief and thought to create what we view as "sickness," sometimes random detoxes occur at the same time around people who spend time together, but we selectively remember those over the hundreds of times we didn't "catch" the cold. In laboratory experiments, mucus was passed from one nose of an "infected" individual to the nose of healthy ones, and it was found that we can't intentionally transmit a cold. They ae still reeling from that one.

As far as the Plague goes (assuming that history is true), it was likely caused by something highly cytotoxic in the food or water--my guess is that it was in the liquor, since monastaries were relatively free of the Plague.

Most of history's pandemics are clearly based on a combination of poor nutrition and toxic environments. For example, let's take polio. The vaccine is credited for wiping out the "virus," but the number of cases of polio took a steep decline BEFORE the vaccine was created! This is a common ploy of the vaccine manufacturers--to create a vaccine when a disease is on the decline (they think it's because all disease is "cyclical"). They often rename a disease, too. AIDS is just IDS renamed. IDS has been around for centuries. It was listed in The Merck Manual for years as being caused by one of several cytotoxic drugs (including the shelved 1960s cancer drug AZT), but with Dr. Gallo's "discovery" of HIV (he actually stole it from The Pasteur Insytitute in France), all references to those drugs were removed from The Merck Manual, and only HIV was listed! Expect a vaccine soon for AIDS.

Getting back to Polio, it also declined in countries that refused the vaccine! It was a global decline caused by better nutrition (shipping of fresh fruits and vegetables) and better waste control and sanitation.

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posted December 09, 2007 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for your insights, Randall!!
I'm grateful you've included us as the beneficiaries of your thoughts and studies

I suspect Pluto in Capricorn will not leave the rubber-stamp medical community untouched or "immune" from retribution for some of their (and Big Pharma's) ignorant and despicable practices..... I'm not down on ALL doctors and all medical science, but ever since Saturn crossed my Asc last summer I've been much more focused on alternatives to the conventional therapies that only treat the symptoms, and never touch the root cause of the health issue.....
I suspect I will someday reach a similar POV to Matthew Wood when he writes:

Fad herbs and pseudo-science

Serious companies are already advertising black cohosh supplements as an alterative to estrogen. Black cohosh is another one of those herbs of which it can be said, “a fad could hardly have happened to a better herb.” St. John’s wort is in the same category. Despite negative publicity based on studies designed with a bias, St. John’s wort really is a good remedy for mild depression and anxiety. (It has never been tested for mild depression, only for severe depressive states that are not treatable with even psychiatric drugs).

Black cohosh is an old American Indian medicine plant. The Indians generally do not get any credit for their magnificent knowledge of wood lore and wild medicine from modern scientists. The latter only value their own peer-reviewed studies. Science is about as intolerant, racist, and classist as it gets.

In case you don’t believe me, let’s take an example. When the Hanta virus struck in Navajo land there was great puzzlement about its origin for about six weeks. Then we suddenly heard “from scientists” that it was caused by mice over-producing in years when the pi–on nuts were especially abundant, going into houses and bringing disease with them. All the national news outlets attributed this knowledge to “scientists” of some sort. It happened I was in Santa Fe at the time and picked up the local newspaper. I was much surprised to read that this explanation had been given to the public health officials by Navajo medicine men who had developed this knowledge over generations of observation of natural cycles in their people’s environment. Did the doctors credit the medicine men in the national news? No, they took the credit themselves, because they don’t want to empower and support traditional knowledge or knowledge which arises outside their own cult. Otherwise, millions of dollars in government grants would be going to traditional medicine men instead of dogmatic, ethnocentric, racist, classist scientists. Money talks. But so does Mother Nature, and one day she will throw these sniveling bigots out of their self-appointed driver’s seat.

You might say, “Gee, Matthew, your language is rather harsh.” I’ve been in this business for 20 plus years and I have seen science and biomedicine treat traditional healers with contempt.

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posted December 09, 2007 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
As Linda would say, "Quite!"

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I dont' see how a grapefruit is purported to contribute to a more alkaline pH in the body, given that its full of citric acid, which is a pretty strong acid...

I think there is something to this persons theory, but nullifying pasteurs germ theory is just idiotic. It is readily demonstratable that infections diseases are trasmitted from one organism to another regardless of the physical state of the host. If I need to post piles of evidence to show this I will. But don't anecdotal experiences tell us that illness is contagious? Why do you get a cold right after your husband starts to show symptoms, is it because you forgot to eat your grapefruit?? LOL PREPOSTEROUS!!! Eating a perfect diet is not going to save you from an HIV infection if you constantly have unprotected sex with multiple partners. Nor if you rub an open wound all over a pile or MRSA bactera.

It's true that eating healthy will promote a healthier immune system, and thus you will be less likely to be sick. But this theory that random "bio colloids" morph into bacteria or viruses in your body is simply untrue. It sounds like the old theory of biogenesis, where organisms simply emerged out of matter. Organisms come from organisms. Sometimes people WILL get infections, say bacterial vaginosis, because their bodies pH is off, and this can be related to diet.

Throwing modern medicine out the window is a bad idea. What we need is a fusion of modern medicine with prevention, diet, and eastern techniques, and it is happening. I work in the medical field and alternative medicine and dietary issues are now becoming much more prominent. It takes a long time for a scientific model to change, and it is happening.

The problem is more than about education, many people know that simple carbs, sodas, sugars, and trans fats are bad, but culturally, they are unable to avoid them. Everyone they know consumes these, there is social pressure. Some dont' have the discipline. Some don't have the information.

At some point someone has to step in and stop the companies that are serving poison to the common man in the United States. Companies load unhealthy foods with MSG to make them addictive, leading people to consume hydrogenated fats, which lead to blood vessel inflammation at a very high rate. And people wonder why we have the highest rate of heart disease in the world?

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posted December 09, 2007 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
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At some point someone has to step in and stop the companies that are serving poison to the common man in the United States. Companies load unhealthy foods with MSG to make them addictive, leading people to consume hydrogenated fats, which lead to blood vessel inflammation at a very high rate. And people wonder why we have the highest rate of heart disease in the world?
I was hoping you'd drop by, BR I wanted to facilitate a discussion of both ends of the spectrum as well as the happy medium

Big AgriBusiness is right in saying, "Well, you don't HAVE to eat this unhealthy stuff -- you're the consumer and YOU CHOOSE TO." If only there was a law on the books something like "Premeditated Murder," only it was called "Premeditated Slow Poisoning" -- ie, the Packaged Food companies got around the MSG debate by simply renaming it "Spices" and "Natural Flavoring."

I have very little faith in mainstream media anymore -- call me Paranoid, but I think they've been either bought or intimidated into silence. So the knowledge doesn't get out that MSG, aspartame and these poisons that are in thousands of foods and drinks WILL HURT YOU EVENTUALLY. Most people will not fall dead on the spot from a brain aneurism (or whatever) directly after consuming the poison ingredients, so the claim stands that they cause no harm, while the lab tests that prove otherwise are suppressed. Well, this is a rant for another thread.....

I'm open to any and all views on whether Germ Theory is valid or not. Blue, (if you would be so kind to share your insights) how is it explained that I work with people who are sneezing and coughing -- often in my office with the door shut -- and I don't get sick?? Or my son "brings a bug home from school" and I don't catch it?? Yet I "come down with" something when no one else has it??

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Throwing modern medicine out the window is a bad idea. What we need is a fusion of modern medicine with prevention, diet, and eastern techniques, and it is happening. I work in the medical field and alternative medicine and dietary issues are now becoming much more prominent. It takes a long time for a scientific model to change, and it is happening.
"Throwing modern medicine out the window" isn't what I had in mind -- I want to see more doctors (and research scientists) studying the ancient and/or native and/or Old Wives Folk Cures. If this is indeed happening, Blue, I don't see it in my travels..... Every time I see my doctor I bring things into the office to ask her about, such as when I was taking Lipitor a few years ago and read that it should be accompanied by CoQ10 supplements -- she didn't say a word about that when she prescribed the statin. Or when I read that Omega-3,-6,-9 would help my boy with ADHD to concentrate better and I asked her whether I should supplement his diet with those fatty acids -- she said it couldn't hurt. And she's a pediatrician AND internist!!

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posted December 09, 2007 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
There is no evidence that HIV causes anything.
www.rethinkingaids.com

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posted December 09, 2007 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
An open wound has nothing to do with the germ theory of disease. Bacteria devour dead or dying tissue, so obviously, infection can occur.

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Bacteria can eat living tissue as well as dead tissue. Skin is dead, keritinized cells...they form a barrier that is mostly impermeable to bacteria and viruses. When a wound opens the bacteria are able to enter the bodies systems.

Viruses implant into LIVING cells because they need the cells machinery intact to reproduce....

If you don't believe me just wiki "viruses" or "flesh eating bacteria"

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posted December 10, 2007 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Zala:

sights) how is it explained that I work with people who are sneezing and coughing -- often in my office with the door shut -- and I don't get sick?? Or my son "brings a bug home from school" and I don't catch it?? Yet I "come down with" something when no one else has it??


Colds are rhinoviruses which mutate very quickly. But sometimes, we may have had that virus before, or a virus similar to it. A virus is DNA or RNA coated in a protein sac. If any part of the protein sac resembles the protein sac on another virus you have previous had, you will not get sick. Your body will recognize the intruder and destroy it immediately.

You can catch a virus anywhere, studies are now showing they can live on counters and surfaces in mucus globs for hours or even days. Touch a door handle, rub your eye, and the virus enters the mucus membrane and then attacks your living cells.

Just because someone around you has the virus done'st mean you'll get it, the virus has to successfully access one of your mucus membranes (eyes, nose, mouth, etc..) to be able to infect you, it can't penetrate the layer of dead skin on your body.

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posted December 10, 2007 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks BR
I'm a long way from understanding the mechanism of "getting sick".....
I've been reading about MRSA and its brethren lately, and the stories about necrotizing pneumonia are truly scary

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BR, you sound like someone defending their religion with Bible quotes. Not meaning any disrespect, just that you are saying what you believe to be true, because it is what you were taught. The pictures of a virus injecting itself into a cell is actually phagocytosis. Cells eat cellular debris. A virus is just that--genetic material from the remains of dead cells. When you have a wound, it's no longer healthy tissue--it's damaged. We all have streptococci in our throat, but it's kept in check. Does that mean it causes strept throat? And TB is supposed to be contagious, but we all have that bacteria in our lungs. If a person smokes and gets TB, what caused the TB--the bacteria, or the smoking? The smoking damaged cells, allowing it to grow and multiply.

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posted December 10, 2007 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Flesh-eating bacteria don't exist. It's a case of a very common bacteria and chronic acidosis in the host body. That same bacteria would be harmless to anyone else. As we move further away from an alkaline pH level, we are more prone to illness. Let's take cancer. It can only exist in an acidic pH environment. It is impossible to have cancer in an alkaline body.

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posted December 10, 2007 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
That's why I call it the medical theocracy.

Check this out:

CARCINOGEN = NO CANCER

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posted December 10, 2007 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
It seems that you're attacking my claims saying they are beliefs, even though my claims are backed up by popular knowledge. You know that your claims are not backed up by evidence, so you're trying to discredit me by saying I'm a religious fanatic. But then your claims you see as truth, even though they are not really backed up by evidence. Whos the religious person defending their ideas now?


This is more than what I've been taught, this is what I've seen under microscopes and in laboratory experiments.

Lexigrams are cool but they don't necessarily represent a truth.


Not all cells eat cell debris, there are certain steps that must be taken before something can enter a cell. Viruses do not freely enter a typical body cell, a phagocytotic cell like a white blood cell with phagocytose a virus, but that will kill it. Viruses actually have mechanisms to unlock and break the cell exterior so they can get in.

Does this look like phagocytosis to you?

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims that cancer can only exist in an acidic pH? STudies, evidence? All I see is claims without evidence. In the real world, if you want to prove something you need to provide evidence, and until I see some I'm not going to buy any of this. Surely you can understand why I wouldn't.

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posted December 10, 2007 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for willowing3     Edit/Delete Message
So, you guys can duke this out, but I personally try to stay away from modern medicine unless something is broken. I firmly believe in the PH theory of health. The quickest way I have found to get your PH balanced is to take some Apple Cider Vingegar...it has over 90 different minerals and acts as an alkaline and gets your PH levels in balance. Some people I know mix the ACV with Baking Soda, which also acts as a PH neutralizer.
There are a lot of additional health benefits to the ACV tonics as I call them, no more aches and pains for me, no more acid reflux and clear skin.
Just my .02 cents...if you want more scoop on ACV and PH and other natural remedies check out www.earthclinic.com.

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I'm not attacking you at all, and I'm not saying you are a religious fanatic. What you are saying is common knowledge. I just feel it's incorrect deductions based upon observation. What is that a picture of? As far as electron microscopes go, we can't really make out what we are seeing at that level, can we? It's just black and white shadow pictures. We see what we want to see. You don't have to defend your position at all, since it's commonly accepted. We all know your side.

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posted December 10, 2007 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
The blood of cancer patients is highly acidic 100 percent of the time. Cancer cannot occur in an alkaline body.

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posted December 10, 2007 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
What's your take on vaccines?

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