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SunChild
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posted September 24, 2009 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
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I am just about to wrap the better part of 6-7 weeks here in Hawaii. This has been an extraordinary time of growing plants and trees and digging into tropical permaculture with my friend Tanea Strebl.

In November 2008, I was able to get the last of the baby tobacco plants out of the nursery and into the yard. I have been growing tobacco for about 5 years in various places. I definitely have a green thumb for it. I love growing it. It is my favorite plant! I thought I'd share some of the things I have come to know about tobacco:

1. Insecticide. Tobacco leaf tea is a remarkable insecticide. It is too toxic to have laying around because if a person drinks too much of it, they could be poisoned. However, tobacco leaf tea in a spray bottle against ants-aphids on baby fruit trees is an effective and natural insecticide with thousands of years of usage.

2. Lobelia vs. Tobacco. Nearly all the herbal formulas that now include lobelia for its flushing and cleansing effects originally were tobacco formulas. They were all switched in the last 50 years because of the unfavorable press about tobacco and the lack of skill by most present-day herbalists in delivering tobacco orally in sub-toxic dosages. Tobacco is more powerful as a cleansing and flushing agent than lobelia. Tobacco is also a fierce de-worming agent and kills all different kinds of parasites.

3. Nicotine, Nicotinamide, Niacin, Niacinamide are very close in their chemical structure. That means vitamin B3 and nicotine are nearly identical. Niacin and nicotine have nearly identical effects. Nicotine is effective in the microgram dosage. Microgram dosage is the equivalent of an ant affecting the Empire State Building. Very little is needed to create large results. It is right on the button and hits the human cell's receptor sites powerfully causing the instant dilation of capillaries.

4. Extraordinarily high mineral demands. Tobacco is the heaviest feeder of all major grown plants in the world. It requires more minerals than anything else. It is rich and requires wealth to grow strong and healthy.

5. Tobacco is an insect eating plant. I have observed this repeatedly and I am convinced it is true. I have theorized that in its natural wild environment tobacco is often in strong competition in the soil for minerals and would need to procure more minerals from another source. Therefore it developed sticky nicotine-rich leaves that trap, kill, and dissolve insects. I was showing my friends this the other day on my plants and we found a dead bee on a tobacco leaf that was 25% dissolved. Tobacco usually traps smaller insects.

6. Tobacco is an MAO inhibitor and is associated with longevity. As long as one avoids abuse, does not gum up their lungs with tar or use agri-business chemical tobacco, or smoke any cigarette with potassium nitrate in the paper then tobacco can be an effective adjunct to a longevity program. I know this sounds counter-intuitive based on the anti-tobacco propaganda, however, if you look at the longest lived people in the world, they are always tobacco smokers. For example, Jeanne Calment (French woman who lived to be 122 who lived on chocolate and smoked tobacco) and The Shivapuri Baba who lived to be 137 and who was a tobacco smoker. My shaman friend Don Augustine in the Amazon is over 80, looks great, is extraordinarily healthy, and has smoked Amazonian jungle tobacco for over 60 years.

7. Tobacco and Cancer? Amazonian shamans have always maintained that tobacco cures cancer. When one combines non-ritualistic abusive use of tobacco with chain-smoking chemical tobacco with toxic diets with the shower of carcinogens in the atmosphere with the demineralization of present-day humanity along with parasite saturation combined with alcoholism a clearer picture of the connection between lung cancer emerges. Lung cancer is unknown to Amazonian shamans who have been smoking mapacho (jungle tobacco) for thousands of years.

8. Why do people become addicted to tobacco? One: They are acidic. Tobacco smoking or chewing creates an alkaline stimulation. Two: They are out of gas in serotonin and tryptophan. Nicotine (like niacin) can be used to produce serotonin. Three: Chemicals. Most tobacco sold worldwide today is chemicalized at every step of growth and processing. Over 800 chemicals are estimated to be added to conventional chemical tobacco. People can become addicted to the chemicals as much or more than the tobacco. Four: Oral stimulation in social environments. People are addicted to the way that smoking makes them breathe and use their face particularly in social settings.



~ David Wolfe.

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katatonic
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posted September 24, 2009 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
it's about time! i have intuitively known most of this for years, why i persist in smoking dspite all the propaganda.

a few decades ago the feds created the nasty tobacco in most cigarettes today by regulating the amount of space tobacco farmers could use for their plants. strangely enough these regulations meant that the plants were too close together to thrive - creating the need for chemicals supplied by...the government!! what a shocker!

thus the most dangerous part of your cigarettes if you are a diehard like me, are the chemicals made necessary by govt regulation of tobacco growers.

i have been thinking of growing my own for years but not got round to it yet. not having any land for it is a big factor!!

but i can say that bugs do not bother me! although they didn't bother me before i smoked either!!

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posted September 24, 2009 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1265067/health_benefits_of_smoking_c igarettes.html?cat=5

and this
http://www.stahlheart.com/wispofsmoke/goodforyou.html

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posted September 24, 2009 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
as i have been saying for years a high percentage of "oldest living people" have been quoted as swearing by cigarettes AND whiskey on a daily basis...

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posted September 24, 2009 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
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as i have been saying for years a high percentage of "oldest living people" have been quoted as swearing by cigarettes AND whiskey on a daily basis...

aint nothin better.

i know they help keep me chugging along anyway!

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posted September 24, 2009 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
I agree

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SunChild
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posted September 24, 2009 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message

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posted September 25, 2009 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Love it Love it. What about weed?
lol
Nobody has to answer that. Just me being
silly again.

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posted September 25, 2009 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for these things, dearest God

you know how unbearable life would be....


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posted September 25, 2009 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well the whiskey gave me up awhile ago lol! but i have suspected for years that the anti-tobacco thing is a smokescreen (sorry) to cover up the effects of the other stuff they are dumpin on us...

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posted September 25, 2009 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting thoughts Kat. You could be onto something.

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posted September 25, 2009 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
Radical but some good points
http://www.smokershistory.com/

Also

Velvet Glove, Iron Fist: A History of Anti-Smoking.

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posted September 25, 2009 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well i dunno about all that...i have a hard time believing that conspiracies can work given the inefficiency of pretty much every group there is

my main problem with it is that EVEN IF they force everyone to take insurance, they can't force you to go to the doctor! i heard today that the "fine" or "tax" being rolled around on the table (for not insuring yourself) is about $1000 a year. ie insurance will be a lot cheaper than it is now (as will paying the fine if you refuse), since the fine will likely be about the same as a low-priced policy...

not EVERYTHING is wrong with our healthcare system. they leave a lot out - natural supplements cant be patented so they are frowned on by the corporations in the business. and the american public seems to have bought the expense=quality myth too. mammograms are counterproductive in most cases, i think...most people's immune systems deal with incipient cancers as they arise and never know they had them. but get screened at the wrong time and you're down for the long haul treatment which can ruin your health just as surely, if more slowly, than cancer...

my experience with "socialized" medicine in the UK was that yes, you had to wait awhile for NON URGENT care...the result, for me, was VERY positive. i learned that i do not NEED a doctor for most things. on the other hand, were i in need of emergency care or something expensive the NHS was always up to the task.

everyone in the UK is insured, whether they like it or not. everyone in the UK, except the destitute, pays for that insurance...it's called taxes there. and despite all the horror stories jwhop posts, there are no more there than here where people have the "choice" of paying through the nose, not just in taxes and premiums, but in deductibles and copays too.

but it is a lot easier to blame smoking for any number of diseases and deaths, than it is to eradicate the chemicals in EVERYTHING, pretty much, from chlorine and flouride in the water (asthma and allergies affecting the respiratory system, cancers) to chem trails in the sky...

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posted September 25, 2009 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Interesting, SunChild. Thanks. I wonder what it would be like to smoke real tobacco; pure, 100% organic tobacco, and not the poisoned garbage we all have access to.

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posted September 25, 2009 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
and don't forget to leave out the filters too!! even american spirit is not organic, by the way!

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posted September 25, 2009 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
i used to smoke Nat Sherman's

i liked the MCDs

Cigarettelos were good, too

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posted September 26, 2009 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
yes but don't be fooled...additive free means nothing added AFTER growing. like AM spirits.

of course growing your own is a long-term project, since curing or some kind is necessary before the stuff is recognizable as smoking material. and the plants need a certain amount of space to thrive without a lot of chem-help...

still i would love to try. anyone got a little plot somewhere?

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posted September 26, 2009 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
My point,
exactly.

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posted September 28, 2009 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
sooo...do you have a plot big enough for a few tobacco plants?

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posted September 28, 2009 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
Growing Tobacco
http://www.seedman.com/TobaccoQA.htm

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posted September 28, 2009 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
Surprisingly, bugs love tobacco, but are easily held at bay dusting with Sevin Dust, we use the Liquid Sevin Dust Spray on ours, you want to use something that is safe to use on vegetables, as you will be smoking or chewing this later. Sevin Dust will wash off and is considered safe to use.

so how is it an insecticide if bugs love it?

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posted September 29, 2009 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
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posted September 29, 2009 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks SunChild. Great new info.

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posted September 29, 2009 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
so in order to produce a pack a day you would need to have 146 plants...or a 1600 sq ft plot if my math is right. and of course the first year you would have nothing but growing and curing...not arguing just trying to get my head around the plot size and process.

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