posted June 29, 2010 01:01 PM         

if we listened to the doctors death sentence my dad would have been gone 2 years ago. yes, the chemo almost killed him the first time, and i don't think he will be strong enough to survive another round of it. his doctor, at a very prestigous hospital, ENCOURAGES alternative methods of treatment. very very open minded. do i think the gearson method will be effective for my dad at this point? not really. his disease has been very hard on our family and watching someone you love suffer is a very hard thing. any suggestions to my family at this time better be compassionate and kind as we will shut the door in anyones face who claims to know all and be in a position to talk about something that we know intimately and they don't really know.

isn't it interesting how many cancer patients die of pnumonia? then they say, this person died of something other than the primary disease. not true in my book. the chemo kills immune system, a germ becomes life threatening and they die of pnumonia. i want to scream NOT TRUE! they died from the effects of the chemo.

posted June 29, 2010 02:15 PM         

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isn't it interesting how many cancer patients die of pnumonia? then they say, this person died of something other than the primary disease. not true in my book. the chemo kills immune system, a germ becomes life threatening and they die of pnumonia. i want to scream NOT TRUE! they died from the effects of the chemo.

at any rate, when it is in your blood, your bones, all of your major organs start failing and each day may be your last day...it is a pretty sensitive subject. i don't doubt your heart is in the right place, your approach could be gentler, but then again, my dad, who adopted and raised me, is not your dad, so since it isn't your dad holding on to life by a thread until you can't stand for every conversation to be, how's your dad doing and don't even want to share with ANYONE anymore about health details, then i guess it would be more understandable. IV infusion of vegetables wouldn't help him valus. he is dying.

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Oh Cpn! I wish I were where you are right now, I would hug you so hard. I'm so very, very sorry. I send you my love, and my compassion. I will light a candle for your whole family. I know that's feeling, of I can't take another conversation of telling this again. There's only so many times you can re-live something, before you have to stop.

Hugs and Love,
ADfly

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We cannot seek or attain health, wealth, learning, justice or kindness in general. Action is always specific, concrete, individualized, unique. --Benjamin Jowett

posted June 29, 2010 02:41 PM         

there are so many approaches i wouldn't expect anyone to have a handle on all of them. some, in fact most, as abs has pointed out, are worse than useless, they prevent people getting effective help.

i don't go to doctors so whether i will ever be diagnosed is hard to picture. the last time i had a pap smear they got all upset because i was not "really normal" i told them it was temporary and indeed the next reading was within their paramaters. had i freaked i could have been on the road to radiation..."the gift that keeps on giving" as one survivor friend's doctor calls it due to the side effects that keep cropping up years later...

to me the hardest battle is with people who simply believe that as they get older either cancer or something else - arthritis, other degenerative diseases - will "get" them.

lester levenson was closest to my way of thinking...he apparently went "to the highest levels" as valus put it...and was prone to saying "there is no such thing as germs" which to me is the bottom line. we are not victims except as we buy into the allopathic line...

and in a way insisting that food is the answer is also seeing ourselves at "effect" rather than "cause"...but i don't like to discourage any route that can save lives and eating better certainly can.

but one more question from the devil's advocate...if food is so important then why do kids raised on organic and raw insist on macdonald's and cookies? whereas i, raised on good food AND tv dinners, peanut butter sandwiches on wonder bread and frozen veg, turned towards wholefoods in my teens? could it be that old syndrome of rebellion of youth against the status quo?

posted June 29, 2010 03:12 PM         

i have strong feelings about always holding things inside affecting your health. going with the flow is fine and good , to a point, but the longer you do it, maybe against how you feel sometimes, builds feelings that if are not dealt with cause physical problems and sickness. emotional health and physical health go hand in hand. external and internal factors equally important. truly holistic approach is best..

posted June 29, 2010 04:32 PM         

Kat,

I'll bet anything
your Pluto squares my Sun.

You're right about tenderness.
But I'm also who I am.
I appreciate you trying to change me,
but it may take some time.

I have a lot of strengths
and tenderness sometimes gets trampled
by all the competing forces within me.

Just believe me, please,
when I say that I'm taking
your advice to heart and
doing what I can.

My present understanding is that real,
informed, doctors are naturopaths.
Naturopaths work outside of the
system which I am criticizing.

If a doctor within the system
opened his/her mind to this stuff,
and had any integrity at all,
he/she would resign from the AMA
and become a naturopath.

That may sound extreme to you,
but it's based on independent research.

The medical schools are controlled
by people you don't want to meet.

They "doctor" the texts with lies,
and tell their well-intentioned students
that Gerson has been studied and rejected
according the most fair-minded and
rigorous methods, etc., etc.

And the doctors believe it.
They never look to see for themselves.

Why?

Because, like almost everybody,
they believe whatever they're told,
as long as the voice of authority
is speaking.

It would not occur to them to doubt
The American Medical Association.

Not on something this big.

That takes rare guts, especially
if you aren't naturally Uranian.

That's all I have time for now.

posted June 29, 2010 08:21 PM         

and this is exactly where a lot of doctors - and NURSES - live. they want to do as much as they can for as many as they can and they are willing to work within a VERY difficult corporate framework, fighting insurance companies, bureaucracy and financial setbacks, to be there for the patients. talking about HOW to bridge the gap and make things better is something many of them WOULD be interested in.

posted June 29, 2010 10:21 PM         

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That's a little extreme, don't you think?
I mean, would you say child abuse is okay,
as long as it is done "in moderation"?

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Umm.... how could your mind change a topic about organic food to child abuse?

posted June 30, 2010 02:03 PM         

you guessed it! --

posted June 30, 2010 02:16 PM         

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and this is exactly where a lot of doctors - and NURSES - live. they want to do as much as they can for as many as they can and they are willing to work within a VERY difficult corporate framework, fighting insurance companies, bureaucracy and financial setbacks, to be there for the patients. talking about HOW to bridge the gap and make things better is something many of them WOULD be interested in.

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Yes, I'm sure there are some, and I hope to influence them through a variety of channels. But, like I said, once they opened to receive this info, they'd have to quit their jobs. They wouldn't bother struggling within a corrupt system (and supporting that system) if they knew just how corrupt it really is, and especially if they knew there was a more effective alternative.

Why did you mention Merlin?

Merlin is in my Stellium.

Yes, mid-sign:

SCORPIO

Arthur 13° 24

Sun 13° 54'

Merlin 14° 52'

Venus 15° 51'

MC 16° 26'

Uranus 16° 32'

posted June 30, 2010 05:40 PM         

Oh, don't forget to dress your child in pro-environmental clothing..

Will you vaccine your child? To vaccine, or not? Both options could be considered child abuse!!!

At what age will you allow your child to practice colon hydrotherapy?

Oh goodie, goodie, it's going to be so much fun watching you child rear!!!

posted June 30, 2010 08:18 PM         

ok placements?

i mentioned merlin because he has always been an icon for me and there i found him right on my sun. viviane is on my ic interestingly enough. they both understood how literally we create our reality...

sun 17 leo
pluto 16*42'
merlin 16
angel 11
atlantis 11
juno 8

NN in aries trine the sun/pluto etc

aqua rising with a perfect yod to saturn/merc in early virgo and uranus in early cancer(5th house)

jupiter in cap 12th house

moon pisces 1st house
mc 26 scorp
chiron 2 sag - squaring merc/moon opposition

i'm sure you can find anything i've left out with those.

edit: actually i will give you more, since it is the relationships that make charts interesting to me...

chart ruler uranus is semi-square sun/pluto. neptune is sextile sun/ square mars. ic is on algol and merc conj regulus/fortuna. vesta in sag completes a triangle with sun and NN and psyche/eros conj the ascendant. venus trines jupiter and karma. so as i said somewhere in the past, i + my sun are intimately acquainted with the outer planets.