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Topic: why?
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Venus Moderator Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted December 05, 2011 03:00 AM
why do we do some things that we do?
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 5879 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 05, 2011 08:50 AM
Indeed, reminds me of a story called soup of the soup...------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
Venus Moderator Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted December 07, 2011 08:36 AM
Juni, im all ears IP: Logged |
Venus Moderator Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted December 12, 2011 09:16 AM
bump------------------ "I dwell in the midst of a perfect race, I the most imperfect.." Khalil Jubran IP: Logged |
Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 2432 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 12, 2011 11:32 AM
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Venus Moderator Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted December 20, 2011 06:15 AM
lol Mitch, i love how you can say it all in funny images!--the first one gave me the creeps.. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 22, 2011 12:35 PM
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Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 2432 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 22, 2011 09:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Venus: --the first one gave me the creeps..
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 03, 2012 10:09 AM
------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 07, 2012 10:28 AM
*bump*------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Venus Moderator Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted February 08, 2012 01:34 AM
mm.. We didn’t get much into the topic..i think a lot of things have changed for the better lately (past 10 to 20 years) but many things still need to be changed, or maybe updated to say the least.. especially religion, i live in relatively conservative society (emphasis on the relatively) and i have to say many "convictions" that people share are really the root of a lot of problems, narrow mindedness is a very serious problem but dogmatism is by far the worst..
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 12, 2012 03:27 PM
------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 29, 2012 12:44 PM
------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Venus Moderator Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted October 30, 2012 05:24 AM
wow forgot about his! thanks for bumping Randall..ok guys what are some outdated beliefs, traditions, teachings, or whatever that you think should b changed or maybe even stopped? the obvious would be some religious stuff, but i don't want to get into that. let's keep it on a social level. or maybe educational. gender roles for one have little sense these days, like men having to pay for dinner while their dates might make more money than they do.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 31, 2012 12:33 PM
I agree!------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 01, 2012 02:36 PM
Men have it rough.------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Venus Moderator Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted November 02, 2012 02:56 AM
oh you poor babies..on that note, yesterday my 15 year old brother went to the movies with his buddies. and you see my mother and i are, how can i put this, over bearing? so i scouted in front of the theatre even though it was just 9pm. i just didn't want him to walk home alone. anyway after the movie was done he came out of the theatre with 8 other kids and they're all like super tall and look quite mature including my brother (but in my mind he's still a baby ) so while walking home he was with his buddies a little in front of me and they were walking nonchalantly, while i was looking around carefully grabbing my purse, avoiding motorcycles and weird men who stare at me, like I do every single day. so you see my 15 year old brother has is it good, he can go about any time anywhere and he will be safe, or at least much safer than his 23 year old sister would be doing the exact same thing. so yeah, you have it rough..
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 02, 2012 01:25 PM
------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 1580 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 02, 2012 07:25 PM
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PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 1580 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 02, 2012 07:38 PM
But really, everyone has their trials to endure, and everyone has pros & cons to handle. Granted, I'd think white males have the least cons in places like the USA (despite how some of them whine otherwise) but then when they crash & burn they have a lot less of an excuse so people tend to hold them in even more contempt than if a woman or a minority were to fail the same way, and likewise a minority or woman who succeeds gets more glory from it while it's more of an "obligation" for a white guy to do so. Like women, guys also have to balance the contradictory messages as well ("be tough" vs. "be sensitive/considerate/cool" as just one example, and fail at balancing that just right can cost you among men & women both). I imagine it must be as frustrating and even stressful as it is for a woman to balance being sexy and desired without "asking for it," "leading him on," etc. And my dad got royally screwed in divorce court...though part of that was his getting drunk and being really stupid, had he been more mature he wouldn't have been anywhere as screwed. Sure, I understand his rage at Mom and her dirty tricks, but smashing the window to crawl through it and try to kill her after there's a restraining order against him from coming near her with her racing to the neighbors who called the police as he came out publicly raging that he was going to kill her did NOT help him court. (Didn't help him with me either since I spent that time hiding under the bed in tears thinking Dad was going to kill us both, and who knows, maybe if Mom hadn't gotten away with him chasing after her maybe he would've.) That said, the police usually ignored the restraining order, and I know it was him who sabotaged the brake pad of his beloved Camaro when Mom won it from him that nearly killed us both and according to him the police didn't even bother to question him over it. And though divorce court screwed Dad, Mom was even more screwed by divorce itself, especially once she couldn't claim me as a dependent anymore (losing child support and a lot of her welfare bennies). And just to be clear, the welfare & child support wasn't much at all, and we both had to skip days of eating (in my case I learned to crash at friend's houses to eat)...though that said, had Mom been responsible she COULD have made it work, barely, but she was as bad as Dad in her own way. (Years later she gave up and sold the house and moved into a much smaller trailer on family property waiting to inherit Granny's home which was perhaps the best decision she ever made since the divorce.) But I can understand why Dad thinks he had it hard. He did, but so did Mom. (And perhaps I'm prejudiced but I think I'm the one who had it worst during and after the divorce, though both Mom & Dad would say they were the ones who suffered the most.) I can certainly understand what Venus said, too. IP: Logged |
PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 1580 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 02, 2012 07:59 PM
I do agree that many gender roles are outdated...I also believe that they're inherent at some level, but only partially (and I don't know how much), but they can be modified as various cultures have produced much more assertive women (a few cultures even made women fight until they became pregnant, and IIRC one culture was said to not allow a woman to marry until she'd killed at least one enemy, though IIRC it was an Ancient Greek who said that and they didn't always fact check before asserting) and also men who much more artistic, intellectual, and sensitive. Even in some warrior cultures it was ok for men to cry. I'd like to see the boundaries loosened up for both genders, even if only a few take advantage of the new freedom. It really shouldn't be a big deal anyway, save, I think, many men & women want to feel superior by shaming others of their own gender for not living up to certain standards. And with that, here's the lyrics of a song by Dar Williams: I won't forget when Peter Pan came to my house, took my hand I said I was a boy; I'm glad he didn't check. I learned to fly, I learned to fight I lived a whole life in one night We saved each other's lives out on the pirate deck. And I remember that night When I'm leaving a late night with some friends And I hear somebody tell me it's not safe, someone should help me I need to find a nice man to walk me home. When I was a boy, I scared the pants off of my mom, Climbed what I could climb upon And I don't know how I survived, I guess I knew the tricks that all boys knew. And you can walk me home, but I was a boy, too. I was a kid that you would like, just a small boy on her bike Riding topless, yeah, I never cared who saw. My neighbor come outside to say, "Get your shirt," I said "No way, it's the last time I'm not breaking any law." And now I'm in this clothing store, and the signs say less is more More that's tight means more to see, more for them, not more for me That can't help me climb a tree in ten seconds flat When I was a boy, See that picture? That was me Grass-stained shirt and dusty knees And I know things have gotta change, They got pills to sell, they've got implants to put in, they've got implants to remove But I am not forgetting...that I was a boy, too And like the woods where I would creep, it's a secret I can keep Except when I'm tired, 'cept when I'm being caught off guard And I've had a lonesome awful day, the conversation finds its way To catching fire-flies out in the backyard. And so I tell the man I'm with about the other life I lived And I say, "Now you're top gun, I have lost and you have won" And he says, "Oh no, no, can't you see, When I was a girl, my mom and I we always talked And I picked flowers everywhere that I walked. And I could always cry, now even when I'm alone I seldom do And I have lost some kindness But I was a girl, too. And you were just like me, and I was just like you" IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 08, 2013 12:55 PM
------------------ "Fall down 100 times, get up 101...this is success." --ME IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer Moderator Posts: 1282 From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Feb 2012
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posted January 08, 2013 03:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: I do agree that many gender roles are outdated...I also believe that they're inherent at some level, but only partially (and I don't know how much), but they can be modified as various cultures have produced much more assertive women (a few cultures even made women fight until they became pregnant, and IIRC one culture was said to not allow a woman to marry until she'd killed at least one enemy, though IIRC it was an Ancient Greek who said that and they didn't always fact check before asserting) and also men who much more artistic, intellectual, and sensitive. Even in some warrior cultures it was ok for men to cry. I'd like to see the boundaries loosened up for both genders, even if only a few take advantage of the new freedom. It really shouldn't be a big deal anyway, save, I think, many men & women want to feel superior by shaming others of their own gender for not living up to certain standards. And with that, here's the lyrics of a song by Dar Williams: I won't forget when Peter Pan came to my house, took my hand I said I was a boy; I'm glad he didn't check. I learned to fly, I learned to fight I lived a whole life in one night We saved each other's lives out on the pirate deck. And I remember that night When I'm leaving a late night with some friends And I hear somebody tell me it's not safe, someone should help me I need to find a nice man to walk me home. When I was a boy, I scared the pants off of my mom, Climbed what I could climb upon And I don't know how I survived, I guess I knew the tricks that all boys knew. And you can walk me home, but I was a boy, too. I was a kid that you would like, just a small boy on her bike Riding topless, yeah, I never cared who saw. My neighbor come outside to say, "Get your shirt," I said "No way, it's the last time I'm not breaking any law." And now I'm in this clothing store, and the signs say less is more More that's tight means more to see, more for them, not more for me That can't help me climb a tree in ten seconds flat When I was a boy, See that picture? That was me Grass-stained shirt and dusty knees And I know things have gotta change, They got pills to sell, they've got implants to put in, they've got implants to remove But I am not forgetting...that I was a boy, too And like the woods where I would creep, it's a secret I can keep Except when I'm tired, 'cept when I'm being caught off guard And I've had a lonesome awful day, the conversation finds its way To catching fire-flies out in the backyard. And so I tell the man I'm with about the other life I lived And I say, "Now you're top gun, I have lost and you have won" And he says, "Oh no, no, can't you see, When I was a girl, my mom and I we always talked And I picked flowers everywhere that I walked. And I could always cry, now even when I'm alone I seldom do And I have lost some kindness But I was a girl, too. And you were just like me, and I was just like you"
Oh how that fits me and the man I am with. The gender biases hurts both males and females and of course physically intersex folks.PS. I remember riding my bike topless too, when I had no girly chest and thought I would grow up to be a man. Then I was told I was being bad because I was showing my "t!ts". I was at the time no different from boys chest wise. But I was bad because I was just being a boy.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 24953 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2013 04:21 PM
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