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posted August 04, 2012 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read the following letters a few days ago. They are well written and profound. I returned to them to read yet again. They are from Eagle Scouts, former Eagle Scouts I should say. They are returning their awards and in doing so have enlightened me. I learned about Eagle Scouts, I also learned a bit more about what it means to have integrity.

Firstly what it means to be an Eagle Scout:

Eagle Scout may be earned by a Boy Scout or Varsity Scout who has been a Life Scout for at least six months, earns a minimum of 21 merit badges, demonstrates Scout Spirit, and demonstrates leadership in the troop, team, crew or ship. He must plan, develop, and lead a service project— the Eagle Project —that demonstrates both leadership and a commitment to duty. He must then take part in a Scoutmaster conference. After all requirements are met, he must complete an Eagle Scout board of review. He can complete the board of review after his 18th birthday as long as all other requirements are completed before his 18th birthday.[12] Venturers and Sea Scouts who attained First Class as a Boy Scout or Varsity Scout in a troop or team may continue working toward the Star, Life and Eagle Scout ranks, as well as Eagle Palms, while registered as a Venturer or Sea Scout up to their 18th birthday. Scouts with a permanent mental or physical disability may use alternate requirements based on abilities, if approved by the council. Eagle Scout may be awarded posthumously, if and only if all requirements except the board of review are completed before death. A board of review may be held and the award presented to the Scout's family. The Spirit of the Eagle Award is an honorary posthumous special recognition for any registered youth member who has died in an accident or through illness. Of the 21 merit badges, 12 are "Eagle Required". These include: First Aid, Citizenship in the Community, Citizenship in the Nation, Citizenship in the World, Communications, Personal Fitness, Environmental Science, Personal Management, Camping, Family Life, Emergency Preparedness or Lifesaving, and Swimming or Hiking or Cycling

I would like to add a page full of letters written by Eagle Scouts. You might have heard the story last week, but it certainly didn't get the front page of anything.

These Eagle Scouts count their medals as prize possessions, now why might they return them? Why might they resign from an organization that helped them become more of who they are?

Here is one eloquent example:

To Bob Mazzuca, Chief Scout Executive and the BSA National Executive Board,

As a Boy Scout I was taught that ethics are important and that when something is unethical you should stand up and say something. I was taught that it is wrong to exclude people, whether based on race, physical ability or sexual orientation. I was taught that a Boy Scout stands with those being persecuted, and not with the persecutor.

Banning openly gay scouts and leaders is not a neutral position anymore than separate but equal was a neutral policy on race. Gay scouts and leaders have the right and obligation to be true to themselves. Homosexuality is not a moral deviance, bigotry is. Parents’ rights to discuss sexuality with their children should not be extended to banning the participation of openly gay scouts anymore than Jewish religious practices require the banning of bacon on a camp out, or Christian Science religious practices require Scouts to forego first aid training.

Today I am returning my Eagle Scout medal because I do not want to be associated with the bigotry for which it now stands. I hope that one day BSA stands up for all boys. It saddens me that until that day comes any sons of mine will not participate in the Boy Scouts.

Being morally straight means standing up for equal rights and inclusion, not bigotry.

Disappointedly,

Christopher Baker, AIA, PE, MBA
Former Senior Patrol Leader of Troop 261

This is a long letter, but worth reading:


From the day I joined Troop 55, Glen Ridge NJ in November 1996, Scouting has played a major role in my life. My formative years were shaped by the Boy Scouts in powerful ways. I became a leader, because I didn’t have a choice, and because I was taught to work with others, rather than settling for being a loner. Thanks to Scouting, I became a man, something many people who are supposed to be adults have failed to do. Even nine years after I last attended meetings regularly, I can still name the Scout Laws, Oath, Motto, and Slogan off the top of my head, and still try to live my life by the ideals I learned through scouting.

Many of the greatest lessons and rites of passage in my life were a result of scouting. Through my troop, I learned to trust others, but also to question them. I learned that sometimes leading is doing what others don’t want to, and sometimes it is letting them suffer from the work they didn’t complete so they become accountable. I will never forget the work I put in as a Patrol Leader and Senior Patrol Leader, or the year I was a Den Chief and earned the Den Chief service award by basically running the den because the Den Mother didn’t have time. As a scout I learned to make leave a campsite better than I found it, and from that basic lesson, to leave the world better than I found it. My first job was aquatics counselor at Rodney Scout Reservation, and I grew more in my two summers as an Aquat than any other time in my life. Although we rarely see each other now, I trust my brothers from my troop like family, and always will. As you can imagine, very few achievements mean as much to me as earning the rank of Eagle Scout.

Despite the pride that I felt at that final Board of Review, I also felt a twinge of guilt. By the time I made Eagle, the Boy Scouts of America had already decided to ban homosexuals from membership. I rationalized my decision to remain in scouts despite my moral qualms. I reminded myself that my scoutmaster, in an incredibly courageous moment, had announced that he would never enforce the ban. I convinced myself that I had earned the rank, deserved it, and, since I was straight, was not breaking any rules be accepting it. Finally, I was unwilling to break away from my brothers in the troop. Therefore, I put my guilt aside, and allowed myself to celebrate what will always be one of my greatest achievements, rather than standing up for those who would never get to celebrate this moment, no matter how deserving they were.

As I have grown older, however, I have not been able to conveniently ignore my conscience. Boy Scouts taught me to be brave and honorable. Because I am, I cannot be a part of an organization that discriminates. There is nothing in the Scout Laws or Oath that condemns homosexuality. There is no legal justification for treating homosexuals any differently. I know that certain religions ban homosexuality, and that the law “reverent” has been used to justify BSA’s ban of homosexuals, but many religions have no problem with the queer community, and BSA has never required its members to worship the same god, so that justification should go out the window.

One of the greatest lessons I learned from my time in scouts was to work with people who were different from me, people who disagree with me. It is a skill I struggle with today, but my journey to Eagle taught me that it is a fight worth fighting, that the world is a richer place because of its diversity, and that all people can contribute something worthwhile. That is the basis of democracy. It therefore saddens me to see the organization that forced me to learn this lesson shutting its doors to people some of its leaders happen to disagree with.

It is also disturbing that an organization that stresses the importance of democracy would put bigotry ahead of that ideal. Just as a petition was delivered to BAS asking for a new vote on anti- gay policy, a secret committee chose to uphold the ban without a vote. One of the consequences of democracy is living with the results, even when we do not agree with them. I do not know how I would respond to an executive board voting to continue the ban, and apparently I will never know, because a few people would rather prevent the democratic process from happening. I do know that I now have a new reason to be disgusted with BSA.

Most importantly, it is my firm conviction that this nation’s greatest sin is discrimination against homosexuals. I know the Boy Scouts are not alone in this act, but the Boy Scouts are the organization that matters most to me. Discrimination is not a victimless crime. Based on data compiled by the FBI and the analysis of the Southern Poverty Law Center, homosexuals are more likely to be victims of violent hate crime than any other minority group in the United States. I am not saying that BSA encourages hate crimes, but by portraying homosexuals as deviant, BSA makes it easier for less stable, more violent people to justify their heinous actions. Furthermore, gay youth, the very people you have excluded, are more likely to commit suicide than the general population. Many suicide victims kill themselves because they feel ostracized.

While you have the right to limit your membership, there is blood on your hands, whether you foresaw it or not.

I do not believe that homosexuality is a sin. I do believe that discrimination is. I do believe that making a large group of young people feel less than human because of something they cannot control is a sin. I accept that I do not speak for God, and may be wrong, but even if I am wrong, Jesus Christ told us to love God and love one another. He told us “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” By excluding gay scouts, BSA leadership is failing to love a large group of people, and continues to throw stones. Whatever deity we have chosen to follow, we can agree to love each other and not kick those who are down.

I learned from the Boy Scouts to be a leader, not a follower. I learned to make tough decisions and stick with them. I have always done my best to do my duty to God and my country, and to keep myself morally straight. Therefore, it is with a heavy heart that I renounce all affiliation with the Boy Scouts of America. I will continue to use the lessons I learned from scouting in my life, and it saddens me that an organization that meant so much to me is now so strongly opposed to my value system, that my children will not benefit from the support system scouting gave me unless something drastic changes, but I will deal with that sadness.

I would like to thank you for the guidance you gave me as I grew, and hope to be able to rejoin your ranks some day.


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posted August 04, 2012 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to AR.

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posted August 07, 2012 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It turns out that at least a couple of times the Scouts have protected pedophiles (to protect its own image). I'll never understand how groups like BSA or the Catholic Church can give gays such a bad time but then look the other way (and in some cases even aid & abet) pedophiles.

But some of those letters made me cheer. And I'm glad to see that some who grew up BSA are working hard to change it (though personally I prefer to support Campfire USA).

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posted August 12, 2012 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump*

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posted August 17, 2012 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I do not believe that homosexuality is a sin. I do believe that discrimination is.

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posted November 25, 2012 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Irrelevant post on my behalf.

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posted February 05, 2013 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are now accepting gays.

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posted February 05, 2013 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was a brown shirt back in the day, we had more mothers than fathers helping the kids in my area.

You begin as,

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowgli

Mowgli is a fictional character and the protagonist of Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book stories. He is a feral child from Pench area in Central India who originally appeared in Rudyard Kipling's short story "In the Rukh" (collected in Many Inventions, 1893) and then went on to become the most prominent and memorable character in his fantasies The Jungle Book and The Second Jungle Book (1894–1895), which also featured stories about other characters.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akela_%28Scouting%29

In Cub Scout packs, Akela is a symbol of wisdom, authority, and leadership. Akela is anyone who acts as a leader to the Scout. Akela can be a Cubmaster, Den Leader, parent or teacher depending on where the guidance takes place. In den meetings, it is the Den Leader who is Akela. During pack meetings it is the Cubmaster. At home, the parents fill this role. Sir Robert Baden-Powell, the founder of the Scouting movement, chose Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book as a source of symbolism and allegorical framework for the youngest members of the Scouting movement. Many references are made to this story in the Cub Scout section, including the "Council Rock" for discussions and planning, and the "Grand Howl" to express a sense of belonging and team spirit.

Many Cub Scout packs use an oath called the "Law of the Pack" to show allegiance and demonstrate their relationship to Akela and the pack:

The Cub Scout follows Akela.
The Cub Scout helps the pack go.
The pack helps the Cub Scout grow.
The Cub Scout gives goodwill.

In the United Kingdom, where nearly all of the links with the The Jungle Book have been taken out of the Cub Scout programme, the names of Jungle Book characters are still used for Cub Scout Leaders. Akela is still reserved for a leader of a Cub Scout, but is not universally in use (i.e., other character names can be held by the leader, usually to avoid confusion when there is a change of leadership).

Rudyard Kipling obtained the name "Akela" from Hindi, meaning "alone."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akela_%28Jungle_Book%29

Akela (also called The Lone Wolf or Big Wolf) is a fictional character in Rudyard Kipling's stories, The Jungle Book and The Second Jungle Book. He is the leader of the Seeonee pack of Indian wolves and presides over the pack's council meetings. It is at such a meeting that the pack adopts the lost child Mowgli and Akela becomes one of Mowgli's mentors.

Akela means "single or solitary" in Hindi, Kipling also calls him the Lone Wolf:

Kipling portrays Akela with the character of an English gentleman. This is shown by his recurring references to the honour of the pack. He is large and grey and leads the pack by virtue of his strength and cunning.

The leader of a group of the boys' scouting organisation, the Cubs, is called Akela after this character. The cubs usually chant in ritual meetings, "Akela, we'll do our best".




http://www.indianwaters.org/iwcn/

http://www.blueridgecouncil.org/brcn/

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http://www.boyscouttrail.com/webelos/arrowoflight_requirements.asp

The highest award in Cub Scouts is earned by Webelos that have been active participants in their den and are ready to join a Boy Scout troop. Many of the requirements for the Arrow of Light are intended to familiarize the scout with a local troop and hopefully show him that crossing over into a troop is the next step to take in scouting. A scout that earns his Arrow of Light patch has also completed nearly all the requirements to earn the Scout badge in the troop so he has already begun his Boy Scout trail.



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ridge_Mountains

The Blue Ridge Mountains are a physiographic province of the larger Appalachian Mountains range. This province consists of northern and southern physiographic regions, which divide near the Roanoke River gap. The mountain range is located in the eastern United States, starting at its southern-most portion in Georgia, then ending northward in Pennsylvania. To the west of the Blue Ridge, between it and the bulk of the Appalachians, lies the Great Appalachian Valley, bordered on the west by the Ridge and Valley province of the Appalachian range.




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posted February 06, 2013 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understood ther were considering it but not yet a done deal.

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posted February 06, 2013 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not done, but I'm betting money trumps religious bigotry as usual:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/boy-scouts-verizon-protest-lgbt

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posted February 07, 2013 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They will give their decision in May .

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posted February 07, 2013 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, I read yesterday that the decision was delayed until May.

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posted February 07, 2013 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 08, 2013 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think you've ever been foul here.

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posted February 09, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, stick around.

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posted March 07, 2013 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems he left and took many of his nifty photos with him...

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posted March 08, 2013 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love&Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder where he is. I miss him. He had such lovely inputs. Also merti was good and Deux Antares. Such wise heads on young shoulders! I wish they frequent the forum now on.

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posted March 29, 2013 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just moved and the new place doesn't have internet and I don't think I will be having it put in.

Hope everyone is doing well, have a good day!

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posted March 30, 2013 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the update.

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posted June 04, 2013 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They voted in support of the measure.

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posted June 05, 2013 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This just saddens me beyond belief. Narrow minded folks who claim to be followers of Christ. These are our children for goodness sakes... They need a good dose of the Aquarian Age heaped on them .

Churches split on Scouts' welcoming of gay youth

In suburban Atlanta, northern Idaho and a number of other places, churches have moved swiftly to sever ties with the Boy Scouts of America in protest over the vote last month to let openly gay boys participate in Scouting.

To date, it's far from the mass defection that some conservatives had predicted before the vote by the BSA's National Council. But the exodus could soon swell, depending on the outcome of the Southern Baptist Convention's annual meeting next week in Houston.

Baptist leaders say the agenda is likely to include a resolution encouraging SBC-affiliated churches to phase out their sponsorships of Scout units.
http://news.yahoo.com/churches-split-scouts-welcoming-gay-youth-192048337.html

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