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Randall
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posted August 19, 2013 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BY ANGELA DELLI SANTI, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

TRENTON, N.J. — Gov. Chris Christie plans to sign a bill Monday barring licensed therapists from trying to turn gay teenagers straight, making New Jersey the second state to ban so-called conversion therapy, along with California.

The bill passed both houses of the New Jersey Legislature with bipartisan support in June. Assemblyman Tim Eustace, who sponsored the bill and is openly gay, described the therapy as "an insidious form of child abuse."

Gay activists pushing the ban were uncertain what Christie would do.

In a signing note accompanying the bill that will be made public Monday, Christie said he believes people are born gay and that homosexuality is not a sin. That view is inconsistent with his Catholic faith.

The Republican governor also said the health risks of trying to change a child's sexual orientation, as identified by the American Psychological Association, outweigh concerns over the government setting limits on parental choice.

"Government should tread carefully into this area," he said in the signing note, which was obtained by The Associated Press, "and I do so here reluctantly."

"However, I also believe that on the issues of medical treatment for children we must look to experts in the field to determine the relative risks and rewards," Christie said, citing a litany of potential ill effects of trying to change sexual orientation, including depression and suicide. "I believe that exposing children to these health risks without clear evidence of benefits that outweigh these serious risks is not appropriate."

Gay rights groups say the practice is damaging to young people because it tells them that it's not acceptable to be whoever they are.

Some social conservatives framed the debate as a parental rights issue, saying a ban on the counseling would limit the ability of parents to do what they think is best for their children.

The idea of conversion therapy is an old one that has increasingly drawn criticism for its methods. Last year, four gay men sued a Jersey City group for fraud, saying its program included making them strip naked and attack effigies of their mothers with baseball bats.

Lawmakers heard horror stories from some during hearings on the ban, including Brielle Goldani of Toms River, who testified she underwent electric shocks and was given drugs to induce vomiting after being sent to an Ohio camp at age 14 to become straight.

But, they also heard from Tara King, a Brick-based counselor, who said she should be allowed to "fix" what patients, even under-aged clients, want fixed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/chris-christie-gay-conversion-therapy_n_3778948.html

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posted August 19, 2013 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
**Offensive post removed** apology to anyone who read this.

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posted August 19, 2013 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There was therapy?? Just crazy, sexual orientation is personal preference. Its almost the same as having therapy for people who like eating ice cream as opposed to eating chocolate. Its a matter of personal choice.

Sexual orientation is NOT a personal PREFERENCE!
Comparing it to choosing a flavor of ice cream to eat is ridiculous and is very insulting.
So are you treating it as a joke,
or not taking the issue seriously,
or believe sexual orientation is a choice; like what colors to wear, or flavor of ice cream to eat?

Nevertheless,
glad to see these conversion therapies being banned.

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posted August 21, 2013 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The psychiatry manual used to list homosexuality as a mental illness many years ago. I'm surprised to find this therapy still exists.

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posted August 21, 2013 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by libraschoice77:
[b]There was therapy?? Just crazy, sexual orientation is personal preference. Its almost the same as having therapy for people who like eating ice cream as opposed to eating chocolate. Its a matter of personal choice.


Sexual orientation is NOT a personal PREFERENCE!
Comparing it to choosing a flavor of ice cream to eat is ridiculous and is very insulting.
So are you treating it as a joke,
or not taking the issue seriously,
or believe sexual orientation is a choice; like what colors to wear, or flavor of ice cream to eat?

Nevertheless,
glad to see these conversion therapies being banned.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Lexx it wasnt my intention to be insulting towards people with certain sexual orientations. What I meant is people cant help what they like, it is what it is, and cant be changed. The comparison I gave was a bad one, just the same I do think people have the right to be the sexual orientation they are without being harshly judged or being accused of a mental illness. Everybody has the right to be with whom ever they are attracted to. Its a very serious matter indeed.

Usually when I post what I say gets so badly misconstrued, I have problems conveying what I mean. This is why I rarely post

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posted August 25, 2013 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew what you meant (that they can't change; nor should they be expected to).

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posted October 28, 2013 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some speculation that he may run for President.

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posted November 08, 2013 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He won re-election by a landslide.

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posted November 09, 2013 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He would get my vote.

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posted November 17, 2013 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like there's a mixed bag for potential candidates in 2016.

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posted December 15, 2013 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christie is under fire over use of a bridge.

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posted July 27, 2014 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's still in the running.

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posted July 28, 2014 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He won't get nominated, though.

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posted December 22, 2014 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like he's running for 2016.

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posted December 23, 2014 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And Romney and Bush.

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posted January 01, 2015 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoadedPistil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read Chris Christie, but imagined McGreevey. Do NOT ask me why

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posted January 02, 2015 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 03, 2015 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Done.

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posted May 14, 2015 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will he run in 2016?

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posted August 08, 2015 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He did well in the first debate.

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posted August 09, 2015 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As did all of them, I thought (except for Bush).

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Loud and brash as always but no momentum. Maybe this is one arena he can`t bully his way through to come out on top.

He really doesn`t even register in the numbers.

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posted October 30, 2015 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, he might as well drop out.

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He had momentum after the hurricane.

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