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Ami Anne
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posted May 01, 2015 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Could Go Wrong: Al Sharpton Says End Local Police, Wants a Nationalized Police Force

Do you want this? Maybe, you do!

Do you think Obama CARES about Freddy or the others.

He wants to nationalize the police force!

See to the core of things. My God!


http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/what-could-go-wr ong-al-sharpton-says-end-local-police-wants-a-nationalized-police-force/

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posted May 01, 2015 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Furthermore, the 2nd Amendment was not for duck hunting. It was to protect against a LAWLESS government.

If you are at a mall now and a gunmen starts firing, you better WISH you had a law abiding citizen with a gun.

You don't hear these stories on the same news that covers this.

You don't hear about the woman who had a gun in a crowded church and saved everyone when a gunman started shooting.

You don't hear about the many, many, many law abiding citizens that save scores of people because they can STOP a mad gunman.

That will all be gone if law abiding citizens cannot own guns.

Everyone will be a sitting duck against a lone gunman( and if you didn't know, criminals will ALWAYS get guns)


Just law abiding citizens will be disarmed.

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posted May 01, 2015 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at all the stories out about how "bad" guns are.

You see how much Obama wants guns.

If he disarms the law abiding and militarizes the police force, WHO WILL HAVE THE GUNS?

Do you want that

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posted May 01, 2015 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b] Either way, this tangent is irrelevant and completely self-centered, and deflects from the real issue here.

It IS the real issue, my Friend. The US is a beacons of freedom in this world. YOU can go to school. YOU can wear the clothes you want. YOU have sexual freedom. YOU can criticize the government.

YOU can talk like you are now. YOU take it all for granted like you would throw a used tissue out the car window.

It won't always be here for you if you can't think for yourself

All governments engender "useful idiots "when they are trying to do clandestine things that they want to distract from.

The useful idiots carry the banner.

THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT![/B]


NO NEED FOR THE EXCESSIVE CAPITALIZATIONS.

Answer the question: what is it I am failing to understand? What part of freedom of speech have I failed to uphold?

I would love for you to actually answer what it is "I should be focusing on," because I'm not sure what is more harmful to society than damning infrastructures such as systemic racism.

That is the thing about you- you get asked questions and you deflect them. I posted some tough questions for you, and what I got in response was this--silence.

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posted May 01, 2015 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Ami,
I think it's important that people talk about police brutality and make a big deal of it. Just last year here in Knoxville a cop got caught on camera choking a college student. The picture spread like wildfire on Facebook and people raised hell about it and that cop ended up getting fired. That sort of power abuse by cops happens everyday in the U.S and more people need to be making a big deal out of it or it will only get worse.

Well said!

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posted May 01, 2015 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would love for you to actually answer what it is "I should be focusing on," because I'm not sure what is more harmful to society than damning infrastructures such as systemic racism.

OK--I have a story about a teacher losing his job because he made a comment about Obama about what he THOUGHT of him.

Should he lose his job?

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posted May 01, 2015 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do YOU want a national police force?

If it is no, you should be paying attention to that rather than an issue which is MADE to be an issue for the purposes of obfuscation.

Simple--Do you want a national police force?

Yes or No?


Is that format easy enough for you, Bella?

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posted May 01, 2015 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama is not trying to HELP racism. He is trying to INFLAME racism for his own purposes, one of which is a nationalized police force.

He tried three times already to find a white cop who abused a black kid.

In EACH case, he was proven wrong, so he hunted for another.

In this case, the boy fell in the police van, reports are saying, and so the police did not put him in a seat belt.

For that, six cops were arrested for homicide, if I have the facts right.


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posted May 01, 2015 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. So 400 YEARS of systemic racism isn't the actual problem, but the idea of a nationalized police system is?

Here is the answer: Irrelevant. You can change the system all you want, but the reality is blacks still are not on equal playing level, likewise the same for other minorities. Change the police system in any fashion you like, until you address system racism these issues are not going to simply disappear.

Yes, we need to address the brutality of the police, but that isn't going to dismantle the systemic racial infrastructure.

The fact blacks have the worst health the US compared to all races, have a very low income, educational level, higher death rates on average, face greater poverty, and lets not forget get racially profiled is the bigger issue here. Why do you think some protesters are angry?

When you have been oppressed for centuries and not much has changed after the Civil Rights Movement, is it really a surprise to you that all of this is happening.

I've seen too many racists claim we are in a post-racial US, yet the next breath out of us is questioning our black president's legitimacy (looking at you, Ami). Obama has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so I would appreciate it if you kept to the topic instead of going off on irrational tangents.

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posted May 01, 2015 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. So 400 YEARS of systemic racism isn't the actual problem, but the idea of a nationalized police system is?

Don't you get it? The transformation of America is our loss of freedom.

That is oppression of everyone--black and white.

That is what YOU should be looking at, if you are humble enough to drop your arrogance.

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posted May 01, 2015 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Ok. So 400 YEARS of systemic racism isn't the actual problem, but the idea of a nationalized police system is?

Don't you get it? The transformation of America is our loss of freedom.

That is oppression of everyone--black and white.

That is what YOU should be looking at, if you are humble enough to drop your arrogance.[/B]


Considering the number of names you have thrown at me in this thread alone, and the way you have talked down to everyone despite having no tangible evidence for your claims, you can take a seat.

Again, I will ask you- do you have any black friends? Do you have any minority friends at all? Have you personally experienced racial discrimination? Did you have to sit on a different side of the bus because of your skin color? Were you called a thug or savage for wanting your voice to be heard? Have you faced barriers in annual income due to your race? Have you been called names in a derogatory manner because of your race? Do you face a greater chance of being in poverty and not getting the financial support you need? Do you have to worry when walking outside in the dark that you will be shot down for looking 'suspicious?' Are you a parent that has to worry at night that their child won't come home? Will you get choked to death, get your spine crushed, or run away in terror from the police due to your skin color?

If NO, then you need to reconsider your focus. These are the people who are the victims here.

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posted May 01, 2015 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After all this, you have learned nothing. Take care, Bella.

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posted May 01, 2015 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This seems to be a thread on racism from what Bella is saying, so I'm moving it.

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I was waiting to see what the facts of the case were. After Ferguson, I learned not to believe the media. The "Hands up! Don't shoot!" never happened. It was a complete fabrication. The Baltimore case is genuine. In GA, a citizen can resist an unlawful arrest. It's not advisable to do so, though. These officers will get convictions and hopefully long sentences.

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posted May 01, 2015 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No its never advisable to do so. Nor to listen to the media without serious suspicion. Even rightwingnews - they are mostly pushing an angle, left right or center.

But the kid whose mom slapped sense into him (to save him being next not to school his manners) didnt need the press to tell him that Freddie Gray wasn't an isolated case. He has had his own friends killed and beaten. So while foolhardy, he decided to stand up to power.

People get tired of being sheep. Sometimes they do stupid things but if thats what it takes to get attention...

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Forgot to mention, when I shared about my experiences and observations in Houston to a guy I knew he then shared about a black deputy he'd met in a small town not far from Houston. The deputy was from the 3-5 ward of Houston and knew how vile the cops could be so she thought she'd JOIN the police (or the deputies in her case) and work to change it from the inside and also try to create better relations between the mostly white police and the mostly black residents of her neighborhood (and everyone else). And while she expected some of the contempt she got as a black woman by other deputies, what really dismayed her was how she was seen by her neighbors as a Quisling who had escaped oppression by joining the oppressors to turn against her own kind.

And then she saw just how brutal the deputies were. It wasn't just race, other factors were important, too. For example, a homeless white guy would be targeted for abuse faster than a black doctor or lawyer, though a homeless black guy would be a preferred target over a homeless white guy. Of course it's much easier for whites to become doctors and blacks to wind up homeless given how the system works out in practice. But the violence she saw from her fellow deputies sickened her so much and made her feel dirty that she transferred to a small town (as she couldn't go back home anyway, she was now one of THEM, the hated police, and deputies count as police).

But I'm not sure when this would've happened. I think he met her in the late 80s and he liked her enough for her compassion and frank honesty that he thought of asking her out (though that wouldn't go over well since he was white) so I'd guess her experiences as a deputy in Houston (likely Harris County) would probably have been early to mid-80s, but that's strictly a vague deduction (and based on the assumption she was about his age or younger since he thought of asking her out which may not have been the case) on my part.

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posted May 02, 2015 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah, a joke a black guy in Houston told me and some friends:

"How do white people say 'justice'? Just Us."

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Yep and I am gobsmacked that the same people who are offended at the idea of regulations on guns - who think they need an armory to Protect themselves from the Gubment and its stooges - consider throwing bricks somehow heinous. How dare those uppity second class citizens be angry, spiteful or think of themselves?!

Hopefully there will also be a lot of Habeus cases being brought in Baltimore too.

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posted May 02, 2015 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yep and I am gobsmacked that the same people who are offended at the idea of regulations on guns - who think they need an armory to Protect themselves from the Gubment and its stooges - consider throwing bricks somehow heinous. How dare those uppity second class citizens be angry, spiteful or think of themselves?!

Hopefully there will also be a lot of Habeus cases being brought in Baltimore too.


Yeah...I wasn't going to go there, but

Great reads too on karma as well!

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