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sweet-scorpion
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posted January 27, 2013 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

What is it about Moon-Saturn and the prevalence of eating disorders?

More and more often, I see this aspect in those with eating disorders, males too. I find it frustrating that men do not have the resources and social acceptance to have greater aid for their eating disorders. It is a troubling and serious condition to have, but unfortunately society seems to be more critical and unaccepting of males with these disorders, making males more reluctant to share their problems with those around them in fear of seeming abnormal, effeminate or 'gay'.

Moon-Saturn is a difficult aspect to have in the natal chart, especially the harsh aspect. But even the positive aspects of the trine and sextile are not something one would want, per say. Saturn is a planet too harsh for the vulnerable Moon, the child in us, our sensitivites and softest emotions, our nurturing needs. Saturn disciplines, structures, and cuts away at what is unnecessary with hard work and merciless dedication. But the Moon is a planet that does not have the strength to be cut away at, to be weeded out by such a planet. We need to nurture ourselves and share our emotions with others to thrive.

So what happens when we have Saturn conjunct, opposite, square or quindecile the Moon? More often than not, we see one who is reluctant to share his/her feelings, one who feels emotionally stunted due to negative childhood experiences, and one who is very, very strict with themselves. Including with eating. Those I have seen with the easier aspects have always been very thin or wiry, and have never preferred to eat much, or they were quite strict with their diets - no sweets or fatty foods at all. Those I have seen with the harsher aspects mentioned above had, more often than not, suffered with very difficult emotional problems, and eating disorders. The harsh aspect of Saturn to the Moon made them inclined to take too much of his/her nurturance away... the main source being, food.

Many famous celebrities both male and female have revealed problems with eating. One famous example is Daniel Johns, lead singer of Silver Chair, who has the sensitive Moon in Pisces in the 1st degree, opposite the strict and sacrificial Virgo Saturn. Johns suffered from anorexia nervosa for many years, and Saturn being in Virgo only made the situation worse for how strict Virgo is.

Angelina Jolie is the world's megastar at the moment, one of the most beautiful women alive. She has the Moon in Aries sq. a 12H Cancer Saturn. Saturn in Cancer square her Moon is particularly harsh, for Cancer is the sign of the mother, the Moon itself. Jolie has always been extremely thin, and has fallen into bouts of severe anorexia nervosa before. In her teen years and early twenties, it was particularly bad, according to a biography I read.

Although eating disorders can cause mental and physical damage, there is always hope for an eating disordered individual with a good support group and a good treatment program. Fortunately, for many individuals, treatment is given before their lives are compromised.

If you have any experiences with Moon-Saturn and eating disorders and/or emotional restriction, feel free to share... this is a safe environment. Feel free to ask questions and comments, or just discuss.

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posted January 27, 2013 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True. I have a square. I was on the edge of anorexia when I was a teenager and it still haunts me sometimes.

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posted January 27, 2013 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sugarplum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have the conjunction,at an orb of 5. im very hard on myself, and really cant open myself emotionally to others, its VERY difficult. especially with my aqua moon. but deep down im extremely sensitive, im just very stiff when it comes to sharing emotions. idk about the eating disorder, cuz sometimes i let myself go and pig out lol

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posted January 28, 2013 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
True. I have a square. I was on the edge of anorexia when I was a teenager and it still haunts me sometimes.


I'm sorry to hear that Cappy. Thanks for sharing. I like writing such articles since I feel it helps some people make sense out of why certain things may come up in life so I'm glad this was helpful to you, hopefully.

I have the quindecile, the almost opposition aspect between my Virgo Moon that restricts on its own, so the two combined are naturally bad news. I had bouts of serious anorexia for a long time... before that it was binging. Thankfully I got over it a few years ago but I still have severe Body Dysmorphic problems sometimes.

I also noticed that with this aspect one has a fear of losing control... perhaps from losing control at some points in one's life. As I said, with the binging thing. That loss of control made me even more rigid.

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posted January 28, 2013 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sugarplum:
i have the conjunction,at an orb of 5. im very hard on myself, and really cant open myself emotionally to others, its VERY difficult. especially with my aqua moon. but deep down im extremely sensitive, im just very stiff when it comes to sharing emotions. idk about the eating disorder, cuz sometimes i let myself go and pig out lol

I can see how an Aqua Moon w/ Saturn conjunct could be quite emotionally distant, and I'm sorry you struggle with this. Saturn always teaches us valuable lessons, however... instead of being distant, we can form emotionally maturity. Instead of being cold, withdrawn and unable to share our feelings, we can admit this fault to others when we feel we're sneaking into old habits, and become emotional rocks and good listeners. Saturn can be painful but we can always turn it around.

If you look at my above comment about loss of control, I can see why you might want to binge. This aspect can definitely lead to loss of control at one point from restricting SO much of yourself that you just can't take it anymore. And then you restrict whatever out of fear of losing control again. So I can see why that happened to you, with just going overboard eating sometimes. I'm guessing you might be a Moon-Saturn type who eats well or not too much and then once in a while just lets go? Makes sense. I was that way too. But more destructively.

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posted January 29, 2013 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting connection.

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posted January 29, 2013 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Interesting connection.


Thanks Randall. A lot of my articles are related to tough stuff since I feel it can help a lot of individuals just gain more knowledge or feel more at peace knowing others have similar issues and that there is a reason for everything.

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posted January 29, 2013 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 30, 2013 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 30, 2013 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I also noticed that with this aspect one has a fear of losing control...

I can't disagree.

I'm glad you put yourself together too.


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posted January 31, 2013 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippychic823     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon trine Saturn in my natal chart and I am a recovered bulimic....was bulimic from age 13 to age 24. This is interesting. And Idk if this makes a difference but my moon is Cappy in my 3rd house and my Saturn is in Virgo in my 11th house. My sun sign is Virgo too.

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posted January 31, 2013 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I have noticed, this in two charts I have read, both had saturn sextile their moon exact. They both have Taurus in their big three(sun/moon/asc) and generational planets in the 6th house the house of routine and health. Both with a eating disorder past.

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posted February 02, 2013 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, this post is really interesting and enlightening.

I have moon conjunct saturn cancer 10.

When I was 8-9 years old I did not want to eat, and my mother gave me some medicine to open my appetite, used to be angry at me during meal times for not eating, etc. For some reason it stopped, and I dont know how long it lasted.

I have always seen the meal time as a waste of time, something I just had to endure - but probably because during my whole life living with my family I these moments where really stressful and tense. Of course I feel hungry, and I have happy meals with my friends or work colleagues during the week, but I hate having to cook, for some years now dont't have time to even try, and more recently I don't really want to eat.

But it is said I have a problem with the "mother", stress, overworking, being too "electric", no connection to our precious earth.

I haven't been able to find in myself the energy or the motivation to improve this yet, but I have looked for an alternative therapy I hope will help me deal with this issue.

I was thinking this had something to do with aquarius 6H cusp + jupiter htere in pisces because for some time now the whole home management is non existent and all I do is work. But now I see the light ! of the emotional connection...

Despite that I had my long vegetarian phase, I still make an effort to eat healthy /natural food when I eat. Some years ago I became (or found out I was) lactose intolerant... And because of a health problem I tried to go gluten free for months, as a test, but it was just too difficult, because I hate cooking. I struggle, my 6H is not successful.

Oh and when I read about how cancers love food, to have people around, to cook to loved ones and groups of friends... I just want to befriend these cancer people so they will invite me !

Regarding emotions, I suppose I don't express them much, and when I try to tell someone I like them it is really awkward and embarracing,sounds artificial. I have tried to learn to be more assertive too, it is hard work. I also have 12H mars and lots of squares with Pluto in the 1st, I think they also affect the expression of emotions in general.

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posted February 03, 2013 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look what I just found:
http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/moon-pluto-the-gathering-storm/

"Consider the themes of Moon and create from them a sense of struggle for survival, and a propensity to Spartanism (a key tenet of Pluto) the mother therefore might not be especially nurturing. The same can be said for those with Moon in Pluto’s domicile, Scorpio and also his house, the 8th. Very often children with these placements are made to ‘make do’ or suffer some form of privation that sets them apart from others. One friend of mine with a strong Moon-Pluto configuration was always forced to make do with the cheapest school shoes and soccer boots, such that they hurt his feet because they were so cheap and poorly made. His mother saw the cost of good shoes as a waste of money since he would only grow out of them anyway. This seemingly trivial economy belies the normal priorities for a mother at least in the eyes of the child: the mother is supposed to consider the welfare, happiness and comfort of the child as being of paramount importance and yet here is a subtle message that the child is undervalued, not worth the expense and not very well nurtured.

This lesson is often taken to heart too.

The Moon-Pluto child might become painfully awkward when attending to their own nurturing as a result. As adults they may develop compulsions about food and dietary issues and this is why Moon-Pluto more than any other contact seems to associate with eating disorders, although in general terms there will invariably be several other supporting factors in the astrology too. "

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posted February 04, 2013 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by flowerpower:
Look what I just found:
http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/moon-pluto-the-gathering-storm/

"Consider the themes of Moon and create from them a sense of struggle for survival, and a propensity to Spartanism (a key tenet of Pluto) the mother therefore might not be especially nurturing. The same can be said for those with Moon in Pluto’s domicile, Scorpio and also his house, the 8th. Very often children with these placements are made to ‘make do’ or suffer some form of privation that sets them apart from others. One friend of mine with a strong Moon-Pluto configuration was always forced to make do with the cheapest school shoes and soccer boots, such that they hurt his feet because they were so cheap and poorly made. His mother saw the cost of good shoes as a waste of money since he would only grow out of them anyway. This seemingly trivial economy belies the normal priorities for a mother at least in the eyes of the child: the mother is supposed to consider the welfare, happiness and comfort of the child as being of paramount importance and yet here is a subtle message that the child is undervalued, not worth the expense and not very well nurtured.

This lesson is often taken to heart too.

The Moon-Pluto child might become painfully awkward when attending to their own nurturing as a result. As adults they may develop compulsions about food and dietary issues and this is why Moon-Pluto more than any other contact seems to associate with eating disorders, although in general terms there will invariably be several other supporting factors in the astrology too. "


EXCELLENT point! I have seen some Moon-Pluto issues with eating disorders as well but was not sure how to bring it up in this article. But it is very possible to have either or and have an ED or issues with food. The article was spot on. I think Russell Brand, a male anorexic, has a Moon-Pluto aspect, and so did Angelina Jolie whom I mentioned above. I think the fight for survival issue and intensity concerning nurturing all bring to propensity the possibility of an ED or stranger ideas about what nurturing should be. Actually, my grandmother has this aspect [the conjunction], and although she never had an ED she has body image issues and worries about her weight a lot in a healthy sense [always wanting to be healthful], and as a kid she recalls a lot her mother making her cheap, horrible food, not knowing how to cook, and giving her a piece of bread with cheese on it for a lunch [and that's it] since they were literally poor and all alone.

In regards to the previous comment you made, thanks for sharing. I can completely see how a conjunction in Cancer could give you stress during meal time in your stomach area especially, and with matters of the home, with your mom, and with the concept of food. Saturn can be quite wearisome and stressful, if not restricting. Not everyone expresses these aspects as full-blown ED's but maybe oddities and stresses in the home setting. I, like you, can remember at certain random periods - especially when stressed out - how I'd just refuse to eat most foods, only eat a few foods, and then actually throw up a lot from anxiety and not eating and it would be a nightmare. This was between 7-8 years old.

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posted February 06, 2013 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi SS, it is nice to see I'm not alone ! :-)

Besides saturn conjunction moon my moon is square pluto too, this is why I found that article.

I am still trying to process all this info !

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posted February 06, 2013 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just something else, about the Mother - for us to think about:
http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com.br/2011/12/moon-pluto-aspects-poisoned-milk.html#.URMaG_KrG0A

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posted February 07, 2013 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have the moon trine saturn- i see it as a positive influence more often than not- it helps you to let go of past biologically habits and old karmic patturns through discipline.

i also did have an eating disorder and am very disciplined around food- im very short slender and toned but still curvy- my mother is tall and very thin and as a teenager was very jealous of my curves which did not help my relationship with her or with food lol

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posted December 03, 2013 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aah08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's true. My moon is opposition with Saturn is a wide orb 10° degrees but still chiron is in exact opposition with saturn. Moon and Chiron in my 1st house and I'm really hard on myself when it comes to diet and exercise. Now i allow myself more but in the past i almost fall into a worse eating disorder. Thank God I discovered astrology.

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Hi Everyone,

I am new one, first post.. I have decided to write as I was looking for some info regarding natal Moon-Saturn opposition, some healing remedies.

You wrote here about eating disorders.
I always liked sweet, my weight changes, but it is not a lot (it was always between 2-8 kg)
My mother, who was very strict, was always unhappy about my look, and weight

I have heard that people with moon-saturn oppositions have problems with relations, like find the proper partner? Have you heard about it as well? if yes, is there any hope, what I can do to change this situation?

I am single, but finally would like to be with someone I can share love with

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I don't have an eating disorder but I do have a lack of interest in food in general, my appetite isn't the best and I've looked border anorexic before. Whenever I find myself feeling like a lack of appetite I actually force myself to eat because I don't want to look border annorexia again.

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posted February 05, 2014 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Margot

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posted February 05, 2014 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Margot:
Hi Everyone,

I am new one, first post.. I have decided to write as I was looking for some info regarding natal Moon-Saturn opposition, some healing remedies.

You wrote here about eating disorders.
I always liked sweet, my weight changes, but it is not a lot (it was always between 2-8 kg)
My mother, who was very strict, was always unhappy about my look, and weight

I have heard that people with moon-saturn oppositions have problems with relations, like find the proper partner? Have you heard about it as well? if yes, is there any hope, what I can do to change this situation?

I am single, but finally would like to be with someone I can share love with


Moon/Saturn people can be very hard on themselves. Do you feel that, Margot dear? What is your Moon sign?

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posted February 25, 2014 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon sextile saturn and I never really struggled with food. I love good healthy food and always feel so much better when I eat well. I was always teased by my friends that I'm a health freak because I'm always eating fruit and veggies. I am very hard on myself about not accomplishing as much as I want. I've been told I'm my harshest critic.

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