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Ami Anne
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posted July 10, 2013 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn and Guilt


When I do charts, I help people understand themselves. In turn, I understand myself. I have some insights into Saturn and guilt.

First of all, a Retrograde Saturn will be a much guiltier person than a non Retro Saturn. Retro Saturn makes one feel as if one is not good enough. Saturn is the stern librarian with her nose looking down, glasses perched at the end, telling you that you just stuck gum under your chair. You feel just…… well…… awful…… bad….. unworthy. We all have been there but Saturn Retro lives there.

The Retro planets are an interesting phenomenon. I have several. I have mercury Retro in Gemini. This has helped me understand Retro planets in general because one is very intimate with one’s thinking process. A Retro planet makes for a deeper person in the domain of the Retro planet. If it is Mercury, one will be a deeper thinker. If it is Venus, one will go TOO deeply into the meaning of love such that one gets frozen. Venus retro is the worst Retro. If it is Neptune, one will go deep into the domain of spirituality.If it is Chiron, one will go deep into the realm of pain. With Saturn, one will go deep into one’s own unworthiness. I have Retro Mercury,Saturn, Chiron and Neptune. I, personally, cannot speak to the other Retro planets but I can assume what they would be like. I have done charts of Venus Retro and they suffer a great deal in life. I have not paid much attention to the other Retro planets as I think they are quite rare. Write to me if you have one. Tell me how you experience it.

Back to Saturn and guilt. The Retro Saturn is a much more guilt ridden person. However, this person will not be as shallow as someone to whom self esteem came easily. I will say that is one good thing about Saturn Retro. Another good thing is that one can mature and outgrow the bad feelings of low self esteem. Saturn gets better with age. That is a blessing of Saturn.

Saturn conjunct the Asc is one of the hardest places for Saturn. We wear our self doubt for all to see. Any negative planet( or asteroid) conjunct the ASC is like having a giant pimple on your face. You wish it were on your rear end or pinching your hair.Your face just does not seem fair.

Saturn conjunct the Moon takes away essential confidence from one’s very soul.One may feel as if one does not deserve to exist. Saturn conjunct the Sun may make one afraid of male authority figures.One’s father may have been too strict.Saturn conjunct Venus makes one feel one has to be perfect to be worthy of love. Saturn conjunct Mars makes one doubt one’s actions. Saturn conjunct Pluto makes one afraid to be a wild,primal tiger and settle for a pussycat( with a great deal of passive aggressive anger resulting) This is known to be a cruelty aspect. One can’t push one’s primal passions down with no consequences, so it does make sense.

Saturn conjunct any planet or asteroid makes one obsessive to express that asteroid. It, also, seems to make the person very guilty in the domain of the asteroid or planet. Saturn conj Eros would make one obsessive about sexuality. Saturn conjunct Echo would make one obsessive about having one’s voice. Saturn conjunct Pluto would make one obsessive about one’s primal passions such as lust and rage. Saturn conjunct Mars will make one obsessive about meeting one’s drives. On it goes with Saturn. This has been my experience in doing charts and my personal experience.

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Gemmy
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posted July 11, 2013 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Ami,how does someone outgrow this behavior? I feel like whenever I try to be happy and act out of character, It just all goes wrong.So I end up being afraid to step out of those boundaries.

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Ami Anne
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posted July 11, 2013 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gemmy:
Hey Ami,how does someone outgrow this behavior? I feel like whenever I try to be happy and act out of character, It just all goes wrong.So I end up being afraid to step out of those boundaries.

I hear you, Gemmy. I have not "outgrown" guilt or shame, for that matter.

I guess I said the outgrow to give people hope

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Gemmy
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posted July 11, 2013 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I guess I said the outgrow to give people hope

OK

I'm sorry you haven't gotten over these feelings.

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Ami Anne
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posted July 11, 2013 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Gemmy
I am glad you got the subtle humor of it

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Randall
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posted July 13, 2013 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well-said.

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Ami Anne
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posted July 13, 2013 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Randall.

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fireopal09
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posted July 14, 2013 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal09     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My stationary retro Saturn is 11H Cancer and part of a Grand Water Trine kited by Mars retro in Taurus. It is also an apex of one of my 3 personal planet Yods. Yes, I have 3 Yods. I KNOW guilt.

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3 Yods--amazing. You are here for a purpose, for sure

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