posted December 01, 2013 08:27 AM            

When planets( or asteroids) conjunct the ASC, we have a mixed bag. Some are beneficial. Some make for a hard struggle. Most people would want Eros conjunct the ASC. That makes the native erotic. Most people would want Lilith conjunct the ASC. That gives the native a raw sexuality. Most people would want Sappho conjunct the ASC. That bestows the native with an erotic vibe mixed with refinement such as a Jackie O.

The Moon conjunct the ASC gives an emotional openness, which is very pleasing. This is supposed to confer good looks, too. Pluto conjunct the ASC gives personal power and an air of authority. Jupiter conjunct the ASC gives charisma.The Sun conjunct the ASC gives confidence. Venus conjunct the ASC gives beauty and grace. Mars conjunct the ASC gives assertiveness. Hence, we see the blessings inherent.

When we talk about the ASC in this way, we could say the same for the MC. The difference is that the MC is related more to the wider society and career. The ASC is related more to your daily life. The ASC is more personal. The MC is more global. Other than that, you can interchange what I say for one, to the other.

I can talk from personal experience about a Moon placement conjunct the MC. I have Cancer Moon conjunct the MC, exact. I am very open about myself on my website. This would be a career issue or a societal issue, as it is not my personal life, per se. My personal life would be the ASC.

I have Moon square the ASC( 3 degrees). It is harder to be as open in my daily life as I am on here. The square makes it such. That is simply the Angle placement. (The Angles are the ASC, IC, DSC and MC) So, one should check the ASC and the MC and know that one is going to SEE the planets or asteroids which conjunct these angles.

I have given a few examples of beneficial planet placements conjunct the ASC and MC. It can be very hard when a hard planet or asteroid conjuncts these angles. I will give an example. Chiron conjunct the ASC is the single hardest place to have Chiron.The second hardest place would be conjunct the MC.Chiron conj the ASC seems to indicate severe bullying in almost all cases. Chiron conj the MC seems to be pain for all to see. How sad. One of my friends with Chiron conjunct the MC was severely obese. This would be a classic example of the world seeing one’s pain.

Lets talk about some hard planets and asteroids conjunct the ASC. Saturn conj the ASC is a hard childhood. The childhood is filled with deprivations. The child must grow up early. This position may give teeth or bone problems, as well.

Neptune conjunct the ASC is another kind of hard. This makes one feel a loss of identity. One may feel as if one is a ghost, with the wind blowing through where a solid ego should be. These natives are very attractive in an ethereal way. The, often, have beautiful eyes, too.

If we want to continue to talk about hard asteroids, we could start with Nessus. This would be the asteroid of the abuser. We could point to Dejanira. This is the asteroid of the victim. We could look at the fixed star Algol, which could be called the “serial killers’ fixed star. Are all people with Algol conjunct the ASC serial killers? No, but I would say that all people with this placement will be plagued with evil thoughts, as if there is a Twighlight Zone episode playing in their heads

Sedna conjunct the ASC will show betrayal by the father and later other men. Medusa will show betrayal by women due to Medusa’s vanity. She will want to exact revenge on men. Echo conjunct the ASC would be a person who feels voiceless. You can transfer all of these to the MC with a very similar interpretation, as I said earlier.

Now, let’s get to the subject of our article, which is the DSC. (My Mercury Retro makes me build a brick by brick foundation for everything. It is how Mercury Retro thinks.) Hence, we have talked about the ASC and MC. We will skip the IC for this article and go right to the DSC.

The DSC is the cusp of the 7th house. The 7th house is the first House that brings in a partner in a serious way. The 5th House would be dating, The 7th House is when you make a serious commitment to someone outside of yourself. Hence, the DSC is unique in this. Herein, lies our problem. It is the struggle between the self and the other. This is every man’s struggle. However, the person with planets conjunct the DSC finds it VERY, VERY hard. For the native with many planets conjunct the DSC, this is probably one of the hardest issues of his life. Hence, lets talk about some specific planets and asteroids conjunct the DSC and what they mean.

Lets start with some planets. If one has the Moon conj the DSC, one may look for deep emotions in the partner but not be able to access one’s own. If one has the Sun conjunct the DSC, one may look for one’s identity in the partner. This could be called a classic co-dependent aspect, if we want to put a modern term to it. If one has Mars conjunct the DSC, one may look to his partner to do his dirty work. If one has Pluto conjunct the DSC, one may not be able to access one’s own primal passions but look for the partner to give them to him. If one has Jupiter here, one may look to the partner to bring joy and a sense of well being. If one has Saturn here, one may look to the partner to be a parental figure. If one has Neptune here, one may look to the partner to provide spirituality.

Let’s look at a few asteroids conjunct the DSC. If one has Nessus here, one may deny one’s own abusive traits but find them in an abusive partner. This would be called ‘reaction formation” to use a Psych term. It is a strange defense mechanism. I remember thinking it was so weird when I first studied it. I thought, “whaaaaaa????” However, I started to try to see it in real life. I did and I will try to explain it to you. It exactly fits into the angst of the person with planets conjunct the DSC, which is the subject of this article.

I will give an easy example and one we have all seen in daily life. Have you ever seen a person who was SO adamant about a topic and later turned out to have the issue or problem. There is the classic example of the Christian pastor who condemns homosexuals with a ferocity. He is later found out to be gay. There is the man who condemns pornography in the same way. He is found to be addicted to pornography. These are clear examples of reaction formation but there are more subtle examples that we all encounter.

I seem to run into the same person over and over. She is usually a woman who acts perfect, not a flaw and not a stain. However, inside she is the Wicked Witch of the West. This would be reaction formation because this kind of person denies ANY evil impulses but sees them in others. We, each, probably have a certain type of person who plagues us. We probably have our own form of reaction formation, too. God put the defense mechanisms in people so people would not die. They are there to absorb pain.

Back to the DSC, planets on the DSC are disowned by the person and sought in the partner. That is what brought me to the topic of reaction formation. You can take any planet or asteroid and see how it will effect the person by remembering about Reaction Formation. It may not be as severe as this but it will help you to remember the struggle and the angst of planets conjunct the DSC.

I look forward to hearing your personal stories, as always.

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posted December 01, 2013 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If one has the Moon conj the DSC, one may look for deep emotions in the partner but not be able to access one’s own. If one has the Sun conjunct the DSC, one may look for one’s identity in the partner.

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True for me.
Thanks for a great article.

posted December 01, 2013 09:34 AM            

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posted December 01, 2013 09:35 AM            

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posted December 01, 2013 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ruler of the DSC conj the DSC? I never thought of that. Why don't you explain how it feels and we can consider the question together, MIL.

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Because I'm Cap Asc, my DSC is in Cancer and my Cancer moon conjuncts it.
I think I'm kinda emotionless/emotionally reserved unless it comes to close relationships. :s I think that's how it feels like.

posted December 01, 2013 10:03 AM            

I was thinking that it can lessen the feeling of needing another person so badly. Do you think so?

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posted December 01, 2013 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thanks MIL

I was thinking that it can lessen the feeling of needing another person so badly. Do you think so?

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Sometimes yes. If I get in the I-need-other-people - mood, it doesn't take long time when I'm again in I-don't-need-them -mood. It could be my first house Uranus and my Moon-Uranus quincunx too though. Or cancer mood swings. I have horrible mood swings lol.

I think this is very true for me. It's from Psychological Horoscope at astro.com

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The world of human relationship means everything to you, and the feelings of others are primary on the scale of your values. Yet you are often caught in a conflict between your need for warmth and closeness with others, and your need for privacy, space and the freedom to pursue your own interests
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posted December 01, 2013 08:07 PM            

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posted December 01, 2013 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Does it matter whether it is posited in the Sixth or Seventh House?

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The DSC is the DSC no matter where but this would apply to 7th house planets only imo

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posted December 02, 2013 06:59 PM            

Not just the dsc but seventh house in general usually shows what you seek in others cause it is a part of yourself you somehow can't see/access except in some kind of partnership. Funnily, because it is opposite your 1st house? the people who carry your seventh house traits are the most difficult to accept, hence House of Open Enemies...what we refuse to acknowledge in ourselves can be the most difficult to accept...

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posted February 05, 2014 05:28 PM            

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posted February 06, 2014 09:18 AM            

I also agree with this:

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Not just the dsc but seventh house in general usually shows what you seek in others cause it is a part of yourself you somehow can't see/access except in some kind of partnership. Funnily, because it is opposite your 1st house? the people who carry your seventh house traits are the most difficult to accept, hence House of Open Enemies...what we refuse to acknowledge in ourselves can be the most difficult to accept...

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My Mars conjuncts the DSC (from the 6th house) and I have problems with repressed anger, frustration and resentment & stifled ambition, drive and passion. I also tend to encounter my "shadow side" in others and project all my unresolved issues onto people closest to me; or attract people who play them out for me, literally.

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posted February 06, 2014 09:31 AM            

I do counseling with some of my Astrology clients who request it.

To do counseling with the charts is a whole other level of insight than just doing counseling with no blueprint.

I would say my fave part of what I do is counseling with the charts.

After I got my degree in Counseling, I found it restraining. You had so many rules you had to follow, in a way.

You had to follow this theory or that. It seemed so in the box.

Counseling with the charts is truly amazing and prolly my biggest passion and the place I feel I offer the most to people

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posted February 14, 2014 01:02 PM            

I have Venus (in 6th house) and Pluto conjucnt DSC. Venus is the ruler of my ASC and Pluto of DSC. I seek beauty and harmony in all my relationships yet they must be deep and profound-affecting. I used to believe that I'm gentle and kind but I see my revengeful, cut-to-the-deep side so many times in relationships to not acknowledge it. For the asteroids, I have Vesta and Karma conjunct DSC but may be 2 degrees is too wide.

posted February 14, 2014 02:24 PM            

Pluto conj the DSC may make for your looking for a primal power and strength in your partners but giving it up in yourself, to some degree.
Does that fit?

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posted February 14, 2014 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Ami Anne,
How about planets conjunct the DSC in synastry? In synastry, his IC, Moon and Chiron are conjunct my DSC - not sure what these would mean.

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Hi AK. We have not talked ina while. How have you been?

Well, the planet person will BRING that planet to the DSC person. If it is Saturn, it is discipline and maybe crticism, too.

If it is venus, it will be love.

If it is the Moon, it will be heart.

If it is the Sun, it will be a sense of self confidence brought to the DSC person.

That is what makes sense to me, anyway.

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posted February 14, 2014 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you Tulipe dear

Pluto conj the DSC may make for your looking for a primal power and strength in your partners but giving it up in yourself, to some degree.
Does that fit?

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Yes, I want to be with those who has emotional strength, who would move heaven and earth to be with me. But when problems arise, I am so quick to walk away.

posted February 15, 2014 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hi AK. We have not talked ina while. How have you been?

Well, the planet person will BRING that planet to the DSC person. If it is Saturn, it is discipline and maybe crticism, too.

If it is venus, it will be love.

If it is the Moon, it will be heart.

If it is the Sun, it will be a sense of self confidence brought to the DSC person.

That is what makes sense to me, anyway.

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