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Ami Anne
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posted December 17, 2013 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Retrograde planets have a very specific working. If one understands this, one can understand them. Retrograde planets recycle. In simple terms, Retrograde planets could be said to obsess. However, it is not the kind of obsession you have when you are crazy about a guy. It is more of an obsession when you are trying to figure out a puzzle. Think of working a Rubric cube. You have to mull all sides of it. You can’t let it go until you have the solution. That is how a Retrograde planet functions.

Let’s look at several to see them in action. The hardest Retrograde planet is Venus. We will leave that for the end. The easiest Retrograde Planet to understand is Mercury. Mercury represents the mind. Hence, we have a mind that must recycle information. Think of a conch shell. It winds and winds and winds until it reaches the very end. If a Mercury Retro native were to study Biology or any subject, he would need to go to the core concepts and work his way up, step by step. However, the great gift in this is that he has super duper retention. Also, he can use the information more creatively than a Non Retro Mercury. This is my opinion

To sum it up, a Mercury Retro native may have to study harder but it will go deeper. With this, he has a greater understanding and hence a greater capacity for creative genius. I can speak from the vantage point of Gemini Mercury Retrograde. Once again, I need your help in describing your own Retrograde planets. However, the mechanism for all Retrograde planets is the same.

Lets look at Chiron Retrograde. This person recycles pain. This does sound terrible. However, the Retrograde planets have the gift of being able to work through what they recycle. I see them as the opportunity to go deeply into the planet’s domain. Let me give an example. One person may have one dollar. Another may have a hundred dollars. The person with one dollar will have to be creative to make it go further. He may buy material to make his own clothes. He may cover old boxes to make them pretty. He may recycle old clothes to make them updated. He will have had to work very hard for what he has but he will have learned in the process. He will have developed gifts. After all this, one will be a profound teacher, as well.

Let’s look at Chiron Retrograde in some more detail. Chiron is the planet of pain. Some people buy shoes when they have pain. Some people eat when they have pain. Some people drink when they have pain. Some people look to relationships to alleviate pain. I think we all do this. However, the Chiron Retrograde person MUST go deeply into the nature of his pain. Chiron Retrograde demands it. Hence, this native can be a profound healer. He will not dismiss the pain of others with a wave of his hand. He will sit down, hold the hand of another, look deeply into his eyes and let him talk. That is the difference between a true counselor and a sham counselor. Chiron Retrograde is a gift. It is not without a great deal of personal struggle. However, this seems to be the case with profound gifts. They do not come easily.

Neptune Retrograde is another gift. In this case, the native must go deeply into the realm of God. Neptune Retrograde, also, is the planet of creativity. I see it as a gift for any of us who want to look at life through a creative lens. To talk about Neptune Retrograde more in depth, let’s look more at what Neptune represents. Neptune is the next dimension. In the next dimension is God. In the next dimension is creativity. Most great writers will tell you that they channel their work. Stephen King talks about his characters coming to life and telling him what they should do. He is merely the craftsman, to put it in a word. King is talking about accessing the next dimension. I would bet he has Neptune Retrograde.

Some people must find God. It is an inexorable passion. I was that way. The ninth house can be a factor in this. I have a four planet 9th house stellium. However, I think Neptune Retrograde is, as well. The Retrograde planet forces the person to go deeply into the nature of the planet. The person can refuse, of course. There is, always, choice. However, the Retrograde planet will dog you with an unrest until you face it. Hence, the person with Neptune Retrograde would be propelled to find God. This is a blessing because many people fill the God hole with all sorts of things that are a temporary fix. In time, they realize it is such. However, it may be too late to truly find God. That is a real tragedy, the worst tragedy one can have on this earth.

Let’s look at Pluto Retrograde. Pluto is power. The native with Pluto retrograde will struggle to find his personal power. He will struggle to understand the power dynamics of others. However, if he persists, he will understand better than someone who does not have this placement.

Nany asked me about Mars Retorgrade, so I want to address that. I have seen a few of these natives, only. One went ballistic in a public setting over a small incident. She has smashed car windows and done all sorts of things when angered. Mars Retro does not seem to be a blessing but a curse. The native could overcome it with God’s help, of course. If any readers have Mars Retrograde, please weigh in.

Let’s look at Venus Retrograde. I told you I thought this was the hardest one. I will explain why. Venus is love. It is the love inside us. It is what we love. Love is like food. One needs love or one dies, if not physically, then in the heart. One’s heart shrivels and one becomes hard and bitter. Venus Retrograde is one of the worst afflictions when it comes to love. The spiral which defines the Retrograde planet works to one’s advantage in many of the other Retrogrades but not in Venus, in my opinion.

Venus Retrograde is simply hard. It is barren. It is lonely. It is like being in a desert and seeing a mirage. You want to taste the cool water. You want to rest your weary body. However, when you reach it, it disappears. The native with Venus Retrograde never seems to understand love. In all instances, I have seen a great, great loneliness. That is why I call it the hardest Retrograde planet. If you have Venus Retro, please weigh in.

I will not address Retrograde planets in the Houses, other than to say that any planet in any house will work out it’s nature in that house. Study the nature of each house. Put the Retrograde planet in it and go from there. If you would like more help, write on my Comment Form. If I need to do another article, I will.

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posted March 09, 2014 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Retrograde planets in Uranus, Neptune and Pluto and will share my own insight into how I think they affect me and my perception or lack thereof. From reading up on Retrograde planets on the internet, something has always not really clicked for me - the information is usually correct or on point but they address the perceived symptoms and rarely unify them with the full underlying 'cause'.

Here are some of the beliefs of Retrograde Planets:

1. They make the energies more individuated and personal
2. The more retrograde planets, the older the soul
3. The more retrograde, the harder it is to understand the person
4. The more retrograde planets, the more tendency to be self-reflective

If we attempt to understand what Retrograde planets are trying to impress upon the personality, we can get a better objective understanding of them and answer the question of "why if they are so important, do the outer planets appear to be Retrograde for almost half the year which kind of means they're not very important?".

It is my belief that Retrograde planets impose strong viewpoints from past lives, or ideological/philosophical/archetypal understanding that we 'bring' forth into the present incarnation. This would explain why retrograde planets seem to be more personal because they truly are personal - they are the beliefs of past lives that resist the pressures of the present environment to 'correct', 'change' or 'educate'. The planets in retrograde, the houses and the signs all form the expressions of the belief systems from the past.

It also explains why people with more retrograde planets are harder to understand because their values, opinions or beliefs seem to spring from beyond their culture or conditioning. They intuitively understand this and wonder why they seem so different - why they can't just fit in like everyone else. But these beliefs from past lives are being forced into the consciousness for the person to confront them and either continue to broaden their understanding or to correct and fix their belief systems that may be outdated.

And while older souls usually have more past lives that they need to 'integrate' it is not specific to old souls per se. A person with very strong beliefs from the past who needs them balanced could be a young soul and therefore they have many retrograde planets to help them confront their beliefs.

To use my own retrograde planets as an example:

Neptune Rx in Sagittarius in the 10th House
Spiritually oriented and definitely a truth seeker in all aspects and though not always expressed in the 10th house vocations, the outer expression must have some type of noble purpose to it - otherwise there is no point in doing it

Uranus Rx in Scorpio in the 9th House
Free thinker in all things mystical or philosophical and yet very private of my beliefs/Spirituality. Read up on western philosophers, eastern philosophers and mystics, astrology, numerology, tarot, chakras and yet follow no path except where I perceive there to be truth.

Pluto Rx in Libra in the 8th House
Have always kept personal relationships at a distance because of the strong transformative impact or 'soul' contracts. If there's no real soul growth, then I'm literally not there.

Now one may ask how these are different from the direct motion planets and I would say that they are felt differently in childhood and through the personality. Instead of the ability to express the 'belief' as an aspect of personality, it's almost like there's a veil inside the person that is asking "What do I think of this?" as the experience is tested against their previous 'understanding' - it is this internal veil that makes the retrograde planet individual seem so self-reflective and introverted.

As one becomes acclimated to their previous beliefs, the veil starts to disappear and the dichotomy between their previous belief and their present incarnation merge and integrate and they essentially bring the past into the future. The Retrograde (veil) is no longer felt and it's also interesting that as we move towards the Heliocentric chart, there are no more Retrograde planets as they are only seen from the Geocentric chart viewpoint.

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Ami Anne
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posted March 10, 2014 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks SDragon and a personal welcome to you. I am so glad to have you as part of our Forum!


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posted March 10, 2014 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ami Anne! I hope to be able to help in my little unique way

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posted March 10, 2014 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know someone w/ Venus Rx. Not only Rx, but anaretic 29 Scorpio. Not only Rx and anaretic, but in 12H.
Take your description and multiply it 1000 times.

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posted March 10, 2014 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know at least a half dozen folks with Jupiter Rx. I never see them jumping up and down with joy. But they seem happy and they laugh and joke. It's always me expressing joy like I'm a small child experiencing moments for the first time. I have several Sag planets.

My Rx planets are Merc Uran Pluto
I can't disagree with what you wrote.

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posted March 10, 2014 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know 3 people w/Chiron Rx.
I can say that two are the real thing when it comes to counseling.

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Ami Anne
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posted March 11, 2014 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
I know someone w/ Venus Rx. Not only Rx, but anaretic 29 Scorpio. Not only Rx and anaretic, but in 12H.
Take your description and multiply it 1000 times.

Wow Great info, PS.

Thanks for that1

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posted March 11, 2014 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SDragon:
Thanks Ami Anne! I hope to be able to help in my little unique way

Yes, we each help in our unique way and it is a beautiful symphony

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posted March 11, 2014 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
I know 3 people w/Chiron Rx.
I can say that two are the real thing when it comes to counseling.

I have it and I am a natural counselor. I have a degree in it but counselors are born, not made imo

I have Jung conj the Sun, exact, too.

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posted March 11, 2014 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS

Can you describe Pluto and Uranus Retro? Thanks!

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posted March 11, 2014 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KingofCups     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars Retrograde, and I feel like it does the exact opposite of going crazy in public, at least in my chart. Mars is a generally aggressive and even violent entitity. I'm not very aggressive or violent. Because of a lot of good aspects it doesn't take away from my drive, but that could be a possible manifestation. It could make one lazy as well. It's sometimes hard for me to get started on things. As a positive, I don't get angry easily. However, when I'm passionate about something, I am VERY passionate about it. This may also have to do with Pluto Conjunct the IC. I'm not sure. My Mars is in Libra in the 2nd House.

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posted March 11, 2014 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks King. That helps!

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posted March 13, 2014 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
PS

Can you describe Pluto and Uranus Retro? Thanks!


There's a theme in my chart with this, sort of, so I would have to isolate Plu and Ura to explain it properly. Let me think about that.

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Originally posted by KingofCups:
I have Mars Retrograde, and I feel like it does the exact opposite of going crazy in public, at least in my chart. Mars is a generally aggressive and even violent entitity. I'm not very aggressive or violent. Because of a lot of good aspects it doesn't take away from my drive, but that could be a possible manifestation. It could make one lazy as well. It's sometimes hard for me to get started on things. As a positive, I don't get angry easily. However, when I'm passionate about something, I am VERY passionate about it. This may also have to do with Pluto Conjunct the IC. I'm not sure. My Mars is in Libra in the 2nd House.


I have--
retro Mars in 9th
retro Saturn in 10th
retro Jupiter in 7th
retro Chiron in 7th

I have to agree with you...Mars retro makes you laid back n maybe internally you get upset but you keep it yourself!
My mars is in Gemini, I used to obsess in my mind over what I wish I would have done, but I never acted outwardly on my anger to another.
Now I say a bit more to the person but still keep myself very respectable and I obsess much less in my mind!

I hate retro Saturn! Late bloomers in career because you can't have just a job it has to be your souls passion!!
This makes it difficult to be happy in any career unless it's your life's purpose and most don't figure that out until late in life!

Retro jupiter, is agree with Pluto Survivor....I'm pretty happy all the time, even when im not I'm only 1 joke away from a big smile n light heart!(usually, at least, this rx mars transit is taking a toll on me though)

Retro Chiron, live n relive pain until you finally understand pain so well that you can make logical sense of it and you can use that sense to help heal others? Yea, I can see that!

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posted March 26, 2014 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn, Venus & Chiron (R).

I don't really relate to your Venus description. Although maybe because it's probably SD and not R. It depends on where you look whether it is listed as SD or R.

Chiron (r), don't know what to do with that one!

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posted March 28, 2014 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amillian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was some great info @Ami Anne & SDragon.
I'm real new to Astrology and i was wondering about the meanings of Retrograde Planets.

I have 5 Retrograde Planets myself:
Jupiter RX in Sag
Uranus RX in Sag
Neptune RX in Sag
Pluto RX in Libra
Saturn RX in Scorpio

unfortunately i don't know my actual birthtime lol so i don't know the house placements, but still great info

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posted March 28, 2014 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Amillian:
That was some great info @Ami Anne & SDragon.
I'm real new to Astrology and i was wondering about the meanings of Retrograde Planets.

I have 5 Retrograde Planets myself:
Jupiter RX in Sag
Uranus RX in Sag
Neptune RX in Sag
Pluto RX in Libra
Saturn RX in Scorpio

unfortunately i don't know my actual birthtime lol so i don't know the house placements, but still great info


Welcome Friend!

Pluto RX makes you have to really understand the workings of power.

Can you relate to anything I wrote about the Retros?

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posted March 28, 2014 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amillian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ami Anne....
yep i can relate to what you said - about Neptune RX, i am a very spiritual person and i have been since i was a little child, i'm also an Artist plus i dabble in a bit of Writing too.

About Pluto RX - I would say growing up i have struggled with power struggles and the dynamics of Power. I've had problem's with 2 of my bosses from my past job's and i always put that down to me just not liking any kind of authority over me lol but that's not entirely true my last boss was great, she was firm but i listened & i liked her, she was never condescending or demeaning so i respected her power....now though i work for myself, no one can tell me how to do my work or when to do it and it's great

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posted March 29, 2014 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spot on with Pluto Rx.

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@Ami Anne....
yep i can relate to what you said - about Neptune RX, i am a very spiritual person and i have been since i was a little child, i'm also an Artist plus i dabble in a bit of Writing too.

About Pluto RX - I would say growing up i have struggled with power struggles and the dynamics of Power. I've had problem's with 2 of my bosses from my past job's and i always put that down to me just not liking any kind of authority over me lol but that's not entirely true my last boss was great, she was firm but i listened & i liked her, she was never condescending or demeaning so i respected her power....now though i work for myself, no one can tell me how to do my work or when to do it and it's great



Thank you for your post, my Friend.

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Originally posted by Randall:
Spot on with Pluto Rx.


Thank you, Randall!

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posted March 30, 2014 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amillian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ami Anne
No probs

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@Ami Anne
No probs

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