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cat71
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posted August 21, 2006 10:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Him Saturn (Gem 2nd hse)trine her moon (Can 2nd)
His Saturn in her 10th (scorpio - water)
His moon (Taur 4th) semi-sextile her Saturn (Gem 1st)
His moon in her 12th (taur)
Looking at Nadir - his Vertex conj her nadir (Leo within 1degree)
These are just to start...

Observations - both very drawn to each other in beginning of relationship, feeling of 'I know you...', very comfortable wth each other despite having just met, i.e. no fear of complimenting each other or even telling each other 'you're being an ass about this...!' and still not holding a grudge - however tendency for him to pull out into times of silence and non-communication which is often not understood by her.
She often feels like he teaches her about worldly issues, she teaches him about emotional issues.

Any feedback/comments?

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posted August 25, 2006 02:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone know anything about moon conjunct vertex in synastry? I have this, I'm the vertex and he's the moon. I'm interested in learning more about that aspect. Thanks.

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posted November 21, 2006 01:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, just seen a chart where one person's saturn, pluto, venus and mars ALL fall into the other person's eighth house. Karmic surely???

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posted November 23, 2006 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do they fight a lot?

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posted November 23, 2006 10:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall, if they do, it's not done in public and i haven't been witness to any fights.


Why would they fight a lot anyway?

PS The second person's Pluto is in the first person's First house.

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posted November 24, 2006 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No reason. Just wondering.

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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posted April 09, 2007 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my bf's south node is conj my moon by 2 degrees. It sounds like thats a bad karmic thing where he is holding me back. I guess its true on some level. But our south nodes are in the same sign, so shouldnt that mean we are going in the same direction? Im a little confused. Is there any way to deal with that aspect?

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posted April 09, 2007 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi BUD ^_^ I guess that this aspect might mean his emotions might remind you of the past stuffs, so it can hold you back by that. And since you both have same NN (same sign), I guess her emotions holds herself a bit back to the past (specially if her Moon conjuncts her SN)?

Actually my bf's Sun is exactly in conjunct with my SN. Astrology or not, it felt as if we knew each other before.. ^_^; But he often helps me to grow and go on in my life direction. Actually, he helped me to have more self-worth and enjoy more the simple things of life (my NN is Taurus, and this should be where I should head to). So I guess that SN connections can give familiar feelings, but it also depends on the rest of the charts to determine if a relationship can help us grow and direct us to the right direction of life/future, or hold us back to the past and not helping with our growth at all. ^_^

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posted April 09, 2007 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, in my opinion, Saturn aspects might feel more like being responsible/taking care/teaching each other than karmic, since it also is a planet that moves slowly. For example, if A's personal planets forms some aspects with B's Saturn, then A also forms these aspects with other people who are around B's age (for example, if A's Moon conjuncts B's Saturn, it can mean that A's emotions are compatible with B and people around B's age seriousness.. they can feel secure with A's ways of feeling also). So we should take more indicators together to actually consider if a relationship is karmic or not.. For me, an aspect between A's personal planet and B's Saturn, like A's Moon and B's Saturn means that A's emotions is in tune with B's seriousness, so A can feel security from B, while B makes A more mature emotionally, and so it glues two people together (what glue two people together can be either compatibility or karma, but not necessarily karma).

Actually, I found aspects from progressed charts and progressed composites more karmic.
For example, my synastry chart with my bf doesn't look very compatible at the first sight.. ^_^; but then, there are some karmic aspects like, for example, in our progressed charts, my Venus is opposed to his Mars, my Mars and his Venus are at opposed signs, our Ascendants are opposed, etc.. I find these little details so interesting lol..

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posted April 09, 2007 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hii Comica! Thanks for the reply I definately have a feeling we knew each other in past life. Even when we werent dating, when we first met there was an odd sense of familiarity. I hope this will help me grow as well. Because despite being a Gemini I abhor change. Well the sad thing about our Saturn aspects are that his sun opposes his Saturn and my sun opposes my Saturn. (We are both Geminis with Saturn in Sagg) They arent conjunct though.

Progressed composite Saturn opposing Chiron. That doesnt sound too friendly.

My Progressed Saturn is squaring his Progressed moon. Thats a little worrysome

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posted May 20, 2007 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sameesadiq     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Saturn aspects

My Saturn decile (36) her Sun exact
My Saturn at 163 her chart ruler Moon
My Saturn quincunx her Mercury exact
My Saturn sextile her Mars exact
My Saturn Semi-sextile her Jupiter
My Saturn quincunx her Saturn
My Saturn sextile her Neptune within 4
My Saturn square her pluto within 5
My Saturn sextile her Chiron within 6
My Saturn quincunx her asc exact
My Saturn semi-square her MC
My Saturn trine her S. Node within 5

Her Saturn quincunx my Sun exact
Her Saturn conjunct my Moon
Her Saturn at 165 my Venus
Her Saturn semi-sextile my Mars within 2
Her Saturn trine my Jupiter exact
Her Saturn quincunx my saturn
Her Saturn Trine my Neptune exact
Her Saturn sextile my Pluto within 5
Her Saturn semi-square my asc
Her Saturn quincunx my MC
Her Saturn at 163 my South node

South Node aspects

My S. Node conjunct her Venus within 8
My S. Node conjunct her POF

Her S. Nodes conjunct Asc within 8


Transposed houses

My Saturn and Sun in her 8th House
Her Sun and Mercury in my 8th House
There are no planets falling on each others Nadir
There are no planets in 12th transposed houses.

When we first met I felt very comfortable. I have always felt uncomfortable with opposite sex. There is strange sort of emotional attachment with her which I never experienced before. I can feel my Moon conjunct her Saturn aspect very much.

There are a lot of Saturn-personal planet contacts between us which are mainly minor aspects. South node conjunctions are very wide. Only other important karmic contact I can see is my Saturn in her 8th house and our Suns in each others 8th houses.

Any insights.

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posted May 20, 2007 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sameesadiq     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I hope this will be helpful.

Saturn and Neptune Connections in Karmic Love Relationships - Through Night's Fire Astrology

"So, you've met before...and not only that, but you have been lovers at least once in the past, if not many times over. Your relationship with one another stretches back in time and has shaped and molded you
into the person you are today.

When your eyes met for the first time, you knew he or she was 'it'... that this person before you is your lover. But wait, the lightning can and does strike even without seeing each other! In the Age of Aquarius, karmic lovers are meeting on the web without even the benefit of a picture at first! Yet, the lightning strike is so
powerful, so consuming, so intense, you fall and you fall hard. At first you are floating on air, skyhigh in your romantic bliss...it is a wonderful feeling, is it not? Everything is simply perfect. New
vistas of the divine open before you and you suddenly know that you have never known love before you met this person.

Then reality strikes. One or both of you are married. You live thousands of miles apart. There are children, or perhaps an illness involved. No matter what the complications, and there are bound to be
plenty, you know that somehow you and your newfound (yet old) lover must be. You feel it in your very soul. It is a deep and painful longing, a longing no one else in the world can understand unless they,
too, have met a karmic lover with a Saturn-Neptune connection.

Does it read like a tragedy waiting to happen? Romeo and Juliet? Tristan and Isolde? Guinevere and Lancelot? Chances are, all of these couples, if we could erect a synastry chart for them, would have
a Saturn and Neptune connection...and if not, then they would in the next life in which they meet. Even more likely, the Saturn-Neptune connection would also touch the Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars in both of
the partner's individual charts.

If you are working a synastry chart and you find this connection, look
for the deeper ties to the personal planets. By noting and examining
the ties to the personal planets, you can can obtain some idea of how
the current relationship is manifesting for each individual and how
they can approach the healing that needs to take place in the current life. The lovers meet again to clear negative karma and to rekindle their love, however briefly the actual relationship lasts. I should mention here that even if the relationship ends quickly, the two lovers will often continue to long for each other no matter who they are with or how far apart they are.

Next, look at the house placements of Saturn and Neptune...this will give some clue as to which area of life brought tragedy in the past, for this aspect is a marker of tragedy...why were these two souls ripped apart so abruptly? In many cases, one of the partners died a
dramatic, sudden death, especially if the 8th house is directly involved. Often their very love for each other was their undoing, and the step towards destruction.

So how does this manifest for the two people currently entangled in such a relationship? So much depends on other factors in their charts and their current circumstances. If they are married to someone else, should they divorce? If they live far apart, should they relocate?
These are tough decisions and it could take years of dedication to one another to make happen.

Often, one partner is terrified of the other after the initial honeymoon (Neptune) phase. When reality (Saturn) hits this partner, his or her emotions may become unbearable and he/she must close down
emotionally out of self-protection. The partner cannot see immediate results emerging out of the connection, and he or she may even sever the ties (at least try to!). Which partner lost whom in the last life together? The person willing to break the connection is often the partner who was left behind, who lost his or her only love. This person may have been punished, forced to marry another, or may have
taken an oath to never, ever, ever love again. A deep, entrenched wound is hindering the growth of this soul. While this soul is hiding and running away from his or her karmic lover, there can be no healing...and the scorned lover is hurt, desolate, and may even give up on
living if he or she is not very spiritual. How can something so wonderful, so beautiful and divine come to such an abrupt halt? Why doesn't he (or she) call? Why the disappearing act?

Karmic astrology can help karmic lovers understand the push-pull effect of their
karmic relationships. It may not end the pain, it may not sweep away the hollow
emptiness left when one karmic lover suddenly deserts the other, but it can help
transform the bitterness left bobbing in the wake of abandonment into something
much more bittersweet...spiritual understanding and acceptance.

Primary Saturn-Neptune contacts to look for:

The opposition is the most prominent. Of course a person could have this contact with many people of about the same age, that is why it is necessary to note the houses and the inner planet contacts. Saturn or Neptune is usually in a 'karmic' house: 1st, 4th, 8th, 10th, 12th (these are the houses I personally use; other astrologers may consider other houses as karmic). Occasionally it may be found that the Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars is in the karmic house in a close configuration with the Saturn/Neptune connection. Use an orb under 3 degrees for the peripheral karmic house contact if neither Saturn or Neptune is in one of the above houses. The contact to the inner planets can be major or 'minor' hard contacts, including the conjunction, square, semisquare, and
sesiquadrate. The sextile and semisextile also occurs upon occasion.

The square between Saturn-Neptune in the synastry chart can indicate a karmic
lover relationship, but the lovers have not usually lost one another through their love...in other words, their relationship didn't cause or contribute to the death of one or both partners as can be the case with the Saturn-Neptune opposition in a karmic house touching a planet or light in both individual nativities. The square more often indicates that there were difficult circumstances in the past that the two individuals failed to handle
appropriately and they will once again face a similar situation together. Their
incompetence may have cost lives. This configuration can appear when both partners need to work toward a goal that will benefit mankind."

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Thanks interesting information!

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About the Saturn aspects, do parallels and contra-parallels count as well?

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posted December 19, 2007 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good info.

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Green,

I think all relationships are "karmic" since they require actions (i.e., "karma") from both people in the relationship in order to work. I don't use parallels and contra-parallels in synastry, so i would not could parallels and contra-parallels in looking at a relationship between two people.

Trying to help,

Tim

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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Thanks! for the great! info.

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posted March 31, 2008 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IN The course that I'm attending everyone there has venus/pluto conjunctions!
Also between myself and my teacher
Jupiter conjuct Descendant
Chiron opposite Venus (my chart ruler)
So therefore his Chiron opposing my Venus
His sun and Venus in my 12th house (we are studying the subconscious)
His Sun conjunct my Saturn
Also you should see the synastry for everyone else too!
Very Karmic. The atmosphere to me is very complex too.

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Quinnie,

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Hey Charlotte! It's serious soul work going on. My tutor is interested in the transcendental and working towards intergrating his higher soul and his body like all the mnasters have done. Talks all about energies and and evolving consciousness but yet (Ifeel) gives a little groan when I mention astrology and I'm constantly trying to plug it lol
It's really interesting how my perspective changed so much on everyone when I saw the synastry.
Cool

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