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Gregory
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posted November 12, 2002 02:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww, you guys are making me blush!

I am tied up for a couple more hours with some unavoidable tasks, just wanted to pop in and let everyone know I'm not ignoring you - I'll be back asap to answer the questions that are piling up (that's a good thing!)

Love,
Greg

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sVirgo
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posted November 12, 2002 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
few questions!
Is that only ascendant makes a difference when you make horoscope chart because that should be the first house. Because I check other planets like they are same for a period so two persons can have same planets but their placement in different houses would be different due to Ascendant.
One more thing is that I saw my ascendant as Sagitarius in astro.com if I am taking 1:37 pm, New Delhi, India on 14th Sept 64. I checked from Linda goodman relationship book also. Is that true? But then how minutes and seconds makes difference because it is Sagitarius for a particular time frame?

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Gregory
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posted November 12, 2002 05:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stella your question regarding minor aspect to otherwise unaspected planets is one of those (many} subjective areas of astrology, where there is no formal "rule" and you'll get different answers from different astrologers. My own answer would be no, that the lack of major aspects to a planet does not make any minor aspects proportionately stronger. In fact, I'd say almost the opposite ... that a planet that is completely unaspected is probably stronger (in itself) than one with only minor aspects! The key to good interpretation is finding points of "uniqueness" in the chart that act as focal points. Such focal points might be a heavy emphasis on one hemisphere (or quadrant, or element ... or it might be a planet that is heavily aspected, or a planet that is completely unaspected ... anything that makes it stand out in the chart and say notice me! A planet that is only weakly aspected lacks the uniqueness of either a heavily aspected or an unaspected planet that can call attention to itself as sn important focus of the chart.

Of course there are many extenuating circumstances that can modify any general guidelines in a particular chart. For example, if the planet that has only weak minor aspects is strong in the chart in some other way (for example, if it's the only planet below the horizon), then its minor aspects ARE more significant than the minor aspects to planets not so powerfully situated!

Have I confused you enough?

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Greg

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Gregory
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posted November 12, 2002 06:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sVirgo, if I understand your question correctly then, yes, the ascendant is what marks the first house cusp, therefore two people born at different times on the same day can have pretty much the same charts except that the houses are different. However, this DOES make a big difference, since the houses are what determines the "department" of life that each planet mainly expresses through.

The exact time and place of birth are needed to calculate the exact ascendant, because it changes from minute to minute. Linda Goodman's Relationship Signs book contains tables that let you figure the "approximate" rising sign and house cusps based on the time of birth at different times of the year, but these are not exact ... and they also don't tell you the degree of the rising sign. Relationship Signs was first published before astrology software was widespread and anybody could get their chart calculated for free on the internet, so it was a good approximation if you didn't want to take the time to learn how to erect your own chart or pay a professional astrologer to do it. Nowadays, though, it's very easy and much more accurate to just go to astro.com as you did and have it calculated exactly!

Love,
Greg

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Gregory
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posted November 12, 2002 06:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquamoon, you've got the right idea!

With Sun and Saturn 12 degrees apart, they are not within orb of any standard major or minor aspect ... although you COULD consider them to be in conjunction with a VERY wide orb!

It's all a matter of how deeply you want to dive into analyzing interactions that are comparatively weak. In the strictest sense every planet is in some angular relationship with every other planet in the chart, and every angle CAN be considered an aspect even if a very weak one! Harmonic astrology focuses on these many, many aspects, and provides guidelines for interpreting them. For example, your 12 degree Sun-Saturn aspect is a 1/30 aspect (12 degrees is one-thirtieth of the full 360-degree chart). Since it is divisible by three, it is called a "third harmonic" aspect, and would have qualities related to the trine, sextile and semi-sextile (but again, not as strong as any of these.)

My strong suggestion is that you do NOT worry about harmonic aspects for now, until you are VERY comfortable with all the basic tools of chart analysis and feel the need for techniques that will make more subtle distictions. There is a real tendency in the beginning stages of learning astrology to want to understand and use every technique you hear about which is understandable but not necessarily productive, since it can distract you from really mastering the fundamental tools that will give you 99% of all the interpretive power you will ever use. Many astrologers (myself included) never use harmonic aspects and many of the other techniques you'll hear talked about a lot on the internet. There is a real explosion of interest in fine-grained analytical tools in modern astrology, mainly because the MOST important tools have already been explored pretty thoroughly and people need to feel like they are "pioneering" something new. You might like this to the situation in classical music, where the major elements of harmony and structure have been completely worked out, so many modern composers are experimenting with discordant or atonal music structures. (I don't disparage that, but I don't particularly like to listen to it either! )

Love,
Greg

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aquamoon
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posted November 13, 2002 05:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got it! Merci.

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stella polaris
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posted November 13, 2002 11:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You make things very clear, Greg! Takk.

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sVirgo
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posted November 14, 2002 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Greg!
My confusion is clear. So we would be learning in future how degree differences matters.

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Gregory
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posted November 14, 2002 10:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, we're learning that now sVirgo! Here is a link to the lesson material for Part II if you haven't seen it yet:

PART II LESSONS

The first goal is to work through the lesson up to the first assignment ... and then post your answer to that assignment here!

Love,
Greg

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AmberVonSchriek
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posted November 15, 2002 10:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I've only gotten to this lesson today because I wanted to pay attention to it.

wow!

Okay right now I'm only up to memorizing the sign and planet symbols. I'm doing alright. I just have to get the Leo-Libra and Saturn- Pluto symbols down. heh!

But the questions I am seeing people ask are boggling my mind!! I don't have any questions like that yet ~ but maybe because I haven't gotten to the last couple pages of the lesson yet!

btw, thank you Greg! Thank you to everyone doing this course! I think it's fantastic!

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Gregory
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posted November 15, 2002 11:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Amber, what you are doing now is the MOST important part, because everything else in astrology builds on it! Don't be shy of asking anything that seems "too simple," 'cause that's where the foundation is, and the more you talk about, write about, think about those basics the more they become second nature to you, and that's what you want.

Love,
Greg

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trippysht
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posted November 17, 2002 12:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is there any place online where we can print empty horoscope wheels? my circles look like squished fruit and my signs are all uneven!!!!! help!

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Cat
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posted November 17, 2002 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi trippysht
I don't know of any sites where you can download a blank chart. Maybe Greg does.

When I hand draw charts, I use a compass - helps with the circle and then a ruler to divide the houses up. I can usually get it looking ok...it may take a little practise
Sue

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Gregory
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posted November 17, 2002 07:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm ... actually I don't. But I suppose I could whip up a blank chart wheel that you could print out and use for a template, if that would be useful to folks. ???

Love,
Greg

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Sher bear
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posted November 18, 2002 02:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O.k, I've got-zta do my homework, cuz all these questions are way over my head..and yes...I think that templates are a wonderful idea- and Greg, this is so amazing - I've looked into taking astrology courses - but here it is - and it's free......Thank - you so, so, so, much - and I hope it hits me soon....I think my mercury is in aquarius - and so I learn "EUREKA" style....

Sher bear XoXoXo

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Miranda Bell
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posted November 18, 2002 10:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the template idea is fab!!! ciao

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Gregory
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posted November 19, 2002 09:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the link to that blank chart template:

Blank Chart Template

Thanks to an angel faery who came to my rescue with a nearly complete template while I was slaving over a hot graphics program building one from scratch! You should be able to print this out directly from your browser, but please let me know if anybody has problems with it.

Love,
Greg

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Sher bear
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posted November 20, 2002 12:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Gregory - The universe is making this realy, really difficult on me....I've tried to e-mail you through the link in the lesson, but it's asking for some crazy password - and so I tried through regular e-mail, and every attempt has failed.....I'm trying to hand in some homework to get some feed back, and computers are so, so, so frustrating for me....Anyways - the chart I have does not look like your example - and I'm determined to figure this stuff out!!!!!(I swear none of this makes much sense...)My B-day is Feb. 25 1975 at 8:45 pm Ajax, ontario, Canada......For example, this is what I have so far 1st house Uranus Scorpio 22, 3rd house Neptune Saggitarius 7,4th house mars Capricorn 16, also mercury in Aquarius 32, 5th sun pisces 22,6th jupiter pisces 10, also Venus in Aries 18, 10th Saturn 12, 11th moon Virgo 22, 12th acsending libra 9.....AHHHHHHH !!!!! Please e-mail me with your address so I can save it in my computer - and I apoligize to everyone else for not knowing what I'm doing....Help

Sher bear

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Randall
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posted November 20, 2002 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can reach Greg at gregory@consciousevolution.com

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Sher bear
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posted November 20, 2002 01:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall - I have tried the address several times - what happens is a screen pops up saying I'm entering a secure network....It asks for username and password....I tried the ones I use for this site - no go - So I then tried the ones I use for the Internet.....again no luck....Anyhow - I am technically challenged - and computers have a way of bewildering me ( it took me forever to finally get my password to work here..Remember??? Ahhh.. ) Anyhow, I do apoligize, and I'm sorry for seeming so silly - but I have tried.and tried and tried...I'm so frustrated!!!- but determined....BLEZZINGs XoXoXo

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posted November 20, 2002 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. Maybe Greg can shed some light on this.

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Gregory
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posted November 21, 2002 12:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gee, I'm totally mystified why this would be happening! Sher bear, if you are getting a secure network message, it sounds like you may be trying to use gregory@consciousevolution.com as a website address rather than sending an email with your hotmail account, could that be it?

If not, here's another email address you can use for me: gregory@gypsyheart.net

If none of those suggestions work, holler and I'll figure something out!

Love,
Greg

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Miranda Bell
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posted November 21, 2002 04:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greg,
Hi there. Many thanks for the blank horoscope chart. Btw, re: aspects I am not too clear on how to calculate them. Can you help? Ta Miranda

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stella polaris
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posted November 21, 2002 11:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sher bear, maybe you don't use Microsoft Office? Instead of filling out that window that pops up, write down the email adress and send Greg a mail from your ordinary e-mail account (the one you normally use when you send e-mail). Good luck.

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Gregory
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posted November 21, 2002 06:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Miranda

I actually didn't intend for manual calculation of the aspects to be a part of this lesson, since they are so easy to get on a computer printout! On the chart I sent you, your aspects are listed in the grid at the bottom of the page, can you see them there?

However, for quickly scanning a chart to see the aspects if you don't have them printed out, the easiest way is to first look for "whole sign" aspects, then look at the degrees to see if they are within orb.

For example, suppose a chart has the Moon at 15 degrees Aries and Mars at 11 degrees Leo. Starting from where the first planet is (in this case Aries), count the number of signs to the second planet, so you would count Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo. That's 4 signs between them, and since there are 30 degrees in each sign, 4 signs is 4 times 30, or 120 degrees ... so this is a trine by whole-sign calculations.

Now you want to look at the exact degrees. If the planets are in the same degree of their respective signs, then the whole-sign aspect is a perfect aspect by degrees! If not, you want to look at how many degrees difference there is between the two. If the difference is smaller than the allowable orb for that aspect then it's good, but if it's more than the orb, then it is not a valid aspect by degree.

In this case your first planet (the Moon) is at 15 degrees Aries and Mars is at 11 degrees Leo, so the difference between them is 4 (11 - 16 = 4). That's within the orb, so this is a valid trine!

This is a good way to figure the aspects if you are looking at a chart with no computer handy! Even if you do, it's good to sometimes pick out the aspects in a chart from looking at it, to help you get used to seeing the various features of a chart when you look at it.

Love,
Greg

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