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moonshadow
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Aspects to the Ascendant

Conjunct sun
The characteristics associated with your rising sign are enhanced and it affects your personality on all levels. Your self-expression is at one with who you truly are. You fully understand and incorporate your own ego as well as your physical surroundings. If the sun is situated in the first house you may be spending too much energy on yourself. If the sun lies in the 12th house you may withdraw and concentrate on matters of the 12th house. Usually with this aspect you are physically strong and can regenerate yourself easily.

Trine Sun
Your outlook on life is positive and optimistic. Your are confident and energetic. The positive aspects of your rising sign are enhanced by this configuration. You have a friendly and open disposition with strong will power and a lot of energy. Relationships such as marriage and business partnerships will probably thrive.

Sextile Sun
Your spirituality and your identity blend well and are in harmony. You put a lot of time and effort into all your relationships. This aspect highlights all the positive characteristics of the ascendant. You are passionate, enthusiastic and creative and this transpires in your relationships (marriage, business and the public). You have quite a strong will and you express this with intelligence and forethought.

Square Sun
Others do not see you the same way as you see yourself. This will cause conflict. Relationship problems with your partner or even the general public are strained as you feel misunderstood and therefore try to impose your views on others. This does not bring acceptance though and the only way to gain that is by accepting the views of others and giving up your own views. If the sun is in the 10th house there is a lot of stress, tension and ambition in your career area. If the sun is in the 4th house the tension will be felt on the home front.

Opposite Sun
If the sun is situated in the 6th house there is a possibility of health problems particularly related to the sun sigh or the rising sign. If the sun is in the 7th house there is likely to be stability in all partnerships. These partnerships drive you to fulfill your ambitions and latent potential. You have strong influence over the public so a career in sales or any other area involving the public will probably be successful.

Conj moon
Your inner reflective self is in alignment with your outer projected self. That which you show to the world is the same as what you feel inside. You do not hide your feelings as others can often clearly see how you feel in your actions and words.

Trine moon
There is harmony between your outer appearance and you inner feelings. You do not necessarily put your feelings on display but what you feel and what you show to the world is in harmony. Your hidden feelings and the way you reflect your surroundings is complimented by your persona. Others see you as someone who is at peace with the image they project.

Sextile moon
Your inner being influences the way you are perceived by others. Your environment has an influence on your feelings and this influences the way you act and how others perceive you. Your feelings cannot be separated from your outer personality as they are closely linked.

Square moon
That which others know about you is not always your true feelings. Your projected image is constantly being challenged by your true feelings. Are you showing the world your true self? Your reflections of your world are very intimate to you and you do not want to show it to the world. On the other hand the way others see you is challenging to your feelings. You question your feelings because of what others think of you.

Opp moon
Your inner self is in conflict with your outer self. You project an image, which does not reflect who you truly are. You are quite divided over this issue. Is it more important to be true to yourself or to be true to your image? Your ascendant has a strong influence on your personality but more often than not it is more on the outside. Your moon is what might keep you awake at night. The ideal is to face the conflicts in you life and work with them. Conflict helps us to learn and grow and this aspect will let you do that.

Conj mercury
Your mental processes and way of communicating is closely associated with your image. You are very intelligent and could gain prominence if you tried. Your actions are premeditated and you think things through before taking action.

Trine mercury
This means there is harmony between your outer self and your mental self. You are logical and this is what others see. You enjoy mental challenges and express yourself to others so that they see you as a good communicator with good ideas. This comes naturally to you but it might be something you take for granted.

Sextile mercury
There is fusion of the qualities of your ascendant and your mercury sign. They will be linked and support each other. This will make it easy for others to understand your way of thinking. Co-operation from colleagues and siblings come easily to you.

Square mercury
Expressing yourself verbally could be challenging. Others may not understand what you are trying to say and this could result in frequent misunderstandings. These things might cause a build up of nervous tension, which might lead to nervous disorders.

Opp mercury
If mercury is placed in the 6th house, you could suffer from nervous disorders resulting from worry. Hypochondria and psychosomatic diseases could plaque you as a result of being overly worried. If mercury is in the 7th house you could be critical of your partners. Your communication skills are well developed and you can make conversation easily with almost anyone. You also have insights into the way others think. You prefer to have relationships with intellectual people.

Conj Venus
If Venus is in the 1st house you may find that things come too easily to you and this could lead to laziness. If in the 12th house you tend to be an escapist trying to find the easiest way out. You believe in peace and harmony and this is spread to those around you and your environment. Physically you can be quite attractive. This could lead to narcissism if not supported by strong factors in your chart.

Trine Venus
You have an appreciation of the arts and might even have musical talent. Socially you are very busy and you have a lot of interaction with friends. You are popular and have the ability to understand others and be compassionate. Your manner of expressing yourself is easy and gentle. Your partnerships are happy unless influenced by other negative aspects.

Square Venus
There might be problems in your partnerships due to misunderstandings and miscommunication. You do not always share you feelings and this could male things quite difficult. You are overly sensitive and your social abilities are not always of the best. Men could be effeminate. In business there could be problems relating to the personal relationships.


Opp Venus
You marry for love and this will ensure that you relationships are happy and harmonious. You are diplomatic and tactful and this makes you popular. Success is attained through the grace and ease you have in dealing with the public. If Venus is in the 6th house you might have health problems especially relating to your kidneys and headaches. In the 7th house it will result in positive business relationships.

Conj mars
You have strong ambitions and you like the leadership role. You are essentially competitive and aggressive. You stand out on your environment and others notice you. You tend to act before you think.

Trine mars
You have a lot of energy and passion. The sign of your ascendant blends well with your mars sign and you use this energy well. You have a very busy life and you achieve a lot.

Sextile mars
You create positive opportunities and you always see where you can take advantage of a situation. You are an initiator and you inspire others to follow you. You are good at dealing with the public.

Square mars
Frustration is common and this can lead to outbursts. You can be too aggressive in expressing yourself and this can lead to problems in relationships. Diplomacy is something, which you need to learn.

Opp mars
Aggression often surfaces in your relationships. It can come from you or the other party. If you do not pay attention to your desires and passions they can be suppressed. This can lead to a lot of conflict. You prefer to act more than to negotiate. Learning to co-operate will come in very handy in the long run.

Conj Jupiter
You are positive in your outlook on life. Teaching, law, philosophy and religion might be of special interest to you. You find that often one of these fields lets you express yourself. You inspire confidence in those you meet and they have faith in your abilities. Traveling is something you enjoy unless Jupiter is in a fixed sign.

Trine Jupiter
Your demeanor is positive and optimistic. You are enthusiastic about life and your relationships are mostly harmonious. You also get on well with children.

Sextile Jupiter
You are usually lucky in relationships such as marriage and business. You positivity and enthusiasm inspires confidence in your abilities. Others trust you. You are able to get people to co-operate with you.

Square Jupiter
Your enthusiasm and optimism is too much for most people to handle. You are over-confident and this leads to problems in your relationships. You promise too much and cannot always deliver and this tends to others losing faith in you.

Opp Jupiter
If Jupiter is in the 6th house you might have problems with your liver and your attitude to work and co-workers may be overly optimistic. In the 7th house it is advisable that you take particular care of your marriage as you need to express yourself freely may lead to you being tempted to have affairs.

Conj Saturn
You may not be very popular because you project an image of being very serious and responsible. There is a possibility of difficulties early in life. You are reliable and have strong ideas of what you want to achieve. You could appear shy and reserved.

Trine Saturn
You are stable and responsible and others depend on you. You always fulfill your obligations and this leads to others respecting you. Your relationships are stable and others co-operate with you.

Sextile Saturn
You possess common sense, dignity, responsibility and discipline. You get things done through hard work. Your values are very important to you and you will stick to them.

Square Saturn
You tend to have a problem with self-esteem and others sense this. It is difficult to maintain your relationships as others find you cold and uncompromising. This aspect could lead to a block in your caring, warm side.

Opp Saturn
This could lead to a situation where marriage will be later in life and if there are other negative influences it may be difficult. Status as a motivation might be part of the problem. If Saturn is in the 6th house illness that may lead to the limitation of you movement can occur. If in the 7th house you tend to choose older partners but you relationships may be too stable to the point of becoming boring.

Conj Uranus
You are quite intuitive and this comes naturally to you. Social responsibility is important to you and you are often a leader with new ideas. Generally you are very open-minded and you are not easily shocked. You have a lot of ideas that are considered revolutionary. Personal freedom is important to you and you may be somewhat of an eccentric.

Trine Uranus
You are a natural leader as others trust your abilities and you make them enthusiastic. You are intelligent with a lot of original ideas. You like being different and you often have relationships with strange people. Your intuitive abilities are strong.

Sextile Uranus
You express yourself in an unusual way causing you to stand out as an individual. You may marry suddenly and unexpectedly. You are ingenious and come up with ideas others would never have thought of.

Square Uranus
You pursue your personal freedom too vehemently and your eccentric ways may make it difficult for others to relate to you. You could suffer from nervous tension due to a lot of sudden upheavals in your social routine.

Opp Uranus
Personal freedom is of paramount importance to you and you are totally against sacrificing your personal identity. Even in marriage you are not willing to compromise. The occult and science holds a strong attraction for you. If Uranus is in the 6th house you could be an erratic and unreliable worker and you could have arthritis and problems with circulation. In the 7th house your relationships could be laden with emotional problems that lead to sudden changes.

Conj Neptune
You appear mysterious to others and you definitely have strong intuition and possibly psychic abilities. You do not seem to be living in the physical reality, as you prefer to escape to your own fantasy world. Others do not always understand your motivations as you follow your own intuition and not the rules of society.

Trine Neptune
You are quite popular due to the fact that you have empathy for those around you. You are quite sensitive and often have strong intuition. Others find you fascinating and you attract people through magnetism in your personality. It is important to you to have a close connection with your romantic partner.

Sextile Neptune
You are sympathetic and empathetic. You can influence others because you are highly in tune but this same sensitivity could cause others to influence you. Artistic abilities might be present. You are charming and this is often reflected in especially your eyes. This leads you to be able to enlist the support of those around you.

Square Neptune
Deception might be a problem in your relationships. You could be so involved in your own fantasy world that you lose your grip on reality. This could lead to you not being dependable and others finding you unreliable.

Opp Neptune
There should be caution applied in legal dealings. Be wary when signing contracts. If Neptune is in the 6th house you should be careful of medicines and other drugs. Untidiness could be a problem. You may also experience problems with your feet. In the 7th house you have quite a don’t care attitude to marriage and business partnerships and can easily be taken advantage of. This may lead to disappointments in love.

Conj Pluto
If this is highly evolved you can have strong intuitive abilities, which you will apply for spiritual growth. If under developed your abilities could be used for personal gain. You have great personal power and strong intuition. You apply this consciously in your everyday life. You are passive-aggressive and quite secretive. Negatively applied this could mean that you are stubborn and motivated by personal goals.

Trine Pluto
You have the ability to transform your environment and you embrace the changes that are part of the cycle of life. You are very confident and this makes you a good leader. You inspire others to raise their level of awareness and to see what needs to be transformed.

Sextile Pluto
Accepting change is one of your best qualities. This ensures that life is easy for you as you can go with the flow. You enter into relationships that have deep meaning to you. You have very good abilities to concentrate and focus. You use these for spiritual insight and there is a possibility of clairvoyance.

Square Pluto
You could have obsessive tendencies, which make your relationships difficult. You try to change others instead of adapting yourself. You can be stubborn and domineering. You often end up in a battle of wills with other strong-willed individuals. This behavior is often anti-social and it definitely can cause problems in your relationships.

Opp Pluto
You are a very demanding partner in your marriage. You can be domineering in relationships and you have the ability to see what motivates others. In the 6th house you may suffer from mysterious illnesses due to psychological problems. In the 7th house you may have a difficult marriage partner and the relationship might be vindictive. In business you are cutthroat and shrewd.



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posted February 20, 2003 05:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great, we're moving along!

Incidentally, where is Venus sextile Ascendant?

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posted February 20, 2003 09:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sextile Venus
You have a busy social life and you are popular. This is due to your charm and cheerful nature. Atristic and musical ability is definately a possibility. Relationships with marraige and business partners are mostly harmonious.

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posted February 21, 2003 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great job!

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posted February 21, 2003 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're doing a great job Moonshadow
Thank you
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posted February 22, 2003 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who's next?

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quote:
Trine Sun
Your outlook on life is positive and optimistic. Your are confident and energetic. The positive aspects of your rising sign are enhanced by this configuration. You have a friendly and open disposition with strong will power and a lot of energy. Relationships such as marriage and business partnerships will probably thrive.

My 3°Leo ASC trines my 5°Sag sun and I would say the above paragraph applies well to me.
My EXTREMELY optimistic viewpoints on the world are often seen by others as naiveity but I see it more as extreme idealism, sometimes to a fault. It's the only way for me to cope with the darkeness all around at times...just envision things working out for the best and eventually they will, is my motto. I get along with most anybody too, I'm rather likeable, I hear.

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Square moon
That which others know about you is not always your true feelings. Your projected image is constantly being challenged by your true feelings. Are you showing the world your true self? Your reflections of your world are very intimate to you and you do not want to show it to the world. On the other hand the way others see you is challenging to your feelings. You question your feelings because of what others think of you.

YES
My moon is at 7°Scorpio and that is well hidden behind my flamboyant Leo and Saggie energy. The eternal optimism is often a cover for a darker inner view of the world that threatens to engulf me at times. People say, "Steph, you don't have a malicious bone in your body.."
I think, "if they only knew..."
As a child I was often at the mercy of my vindictive moon, those who would hurt me or my loved ones, BEWARE. I had no qualms about striking back. As an adult I work hard on controlling this side of me because I don't think it's the most constructive way to be. But I often wish I didn't come across as such a 'sunny' person all the time and people feared me alittle more..just a little tho... :P

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Conj Jupiter
You are positive in your outlook on life. Teaching, law, philosophy and religion might be of special interest to you. You find that often one of these fields lets you express yourself. You inspire confidence in those you meet and they have faith in your abilities. Traveling is something you enjoy unless Jupiter is in a fixed sign

Yep, yep and yep. They are in fixed signs and I DO like to travel! (Saggie sun influence..?)
Another area of significance relating to my ASC is the mutual reception beween my jupiter and sun. But that if for a later lesson I think..
This is fun!

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Hello!
I put the thumbs up because it applies to me but maybe I should have used the thumbs down because it's not all good!
Opposite Mars-Yes the whole agression thing is right there in the 7th house and I read somewhere that refusing that part of the personality I have will force me to come to grips with it in others,through others.Though I would prefer to act,cooperation sometimes is the only option.
Conjuct Jupiter- in Sag does instill faith in me by others which just baffles me!What?I look competent?But I have decided to pursue a career in teaching so that fits.
Square Pluto-I'm not sure though I tend to have problems with domineering people and do tend to be stubborn...whne nothing else works.Obsessive? maybe but I'm conscious of that so I balance...I tend to adapt to everything up to a point.
and finally something positive
trine Mercury-harmony and logic in communicating---I like that.You wouldn't believe it by my posts but I do tend to see taht in my way of working with people.

Now my question is since my ascendant is square my chart ruler pluto does it make that aspect more important/powerful than the other two aspects?but my mercury and mars are in mutual reception does that add to the strength of these aspects made to my ascendant?Or is the conjuction by 3degrees of Jupiter in sag to my Scorpio ascendant the big thing?

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posted February 27, 2003 03:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there a difference between the ascendant aspecting it's ruler as opposed to aspecting some other planet?

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Square moon
That which others know about you is not always your true feelings. Your projected image is constantly being challenged by your true feelings. Are you showing the world your true self? Your reflections of your world are very intimate to you and you do not want to show it to the world. On the other hand the way others see you is challenging to your feelings. You question your feelings because of what others think of you.

Trine mercury
This means there is harmony between your outer self and your mental self. You are logical and this is what others see. You enjoy mental challenges and express yourself to others so that they see you as a good communicator with good ideas. This comes naturally to you but it might be something you take for granted.

Opp Venus
You marry for love and this will ensure that you relationships are happy and harmonious. You are diplomatic and tactful and this makes you popular. Success is attained through the grace and ease you have in dealing with the public. If Venus is in the 6th house you might have health problems especially relating to your kidneys and headaches. In the 7th house it will result in positive business relationships.

Sextile mars
You create positive opportunities and you always see where you can take advantage of a situation. You are an initiator and you inspire others to follow you. You are good at dealing with the public.

Sextile Jupiter
You are usually lucky in relationships such as marriage and business. You positivity and enthusiasm inspires confidence in your abilities. Others trust you. You are able to get people to co-operate with you.

Heeey. My Saturn must be playing havok with the rest of my chart to negate some of this

One question: What's the acceptable aspect orb? My Mars aspect is a little over 5, so it might not apply, right?

Groovytunes and such,
Corri

(BTW: Excellent job, Moonshadow. How're things going? You said it was really busy - things slowed down yet?)

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posted March 06, 2003 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Proxie!

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posted March 13, 2003 02:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where would you look for self-esteem issues with regard to the ascendent?
Isn't it true that a harsh aspect between the asc. and Venus shows a person must work towards understanding his/her self worth?

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I got my Asc, sun and moon in a T-square (gem rising, virgo sun, sag moon, and I checked my chart and it is really a t-square. blah) was quite surprised at the description

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Square Sun
Others do not see you the same way as you see yourself. This will cause conflict. Relationship problems with your partner or even the general public are strained as you feel misunderstood and therefore try to impose your views on others. This does not bring acceptance though and the only way to gain that is by accepting the views of others and giving up your own views. If the sun is in the 10th house there is a lot of stress, tension and ambition in your career area. If the sun is in the 4th house the tension will be felt on the home front.

quite true. conflict about me is at home (sun in 4th house). lol I'd rather not share the whole story though. personal stuff and all that. let's just say most of the arguments my mom and dad get into (which isn't too much) mostly revolve around me instead of my siblings (as they so "tactfully" put it. sag mom? yeah right. lol)

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Opp moon
Your inner self is in conflict with your outer self. You project an image, which does not reflect who you truly are. You are quite divided over this issue. Is it more important to be true to yourself or to be true to your image? Your ascendant has a strong influence on your personality but more often than not it is more on the outside. Your moon is what might keep you awake at night. The ideal is to face the conflicts in you life and work with them. Conflict helps us to learn and grow and this aspect will let you do that.

Really shocking how true this is as well. Sometimes I act waaay out of character (using the term loosely of course since one cannot really act "out of character" since your character is what you make of it. blah. whatever. what i mean is i sometimes even surprise myself by the way i act.) than I would've probably did or would want to do. It doesn't keep me from sleeping on it though. If I get sleepy, armaggeddon probably won't wake me up. End of story.

I didn't read the others coz I don't know the other aspects of my planets and i was too lazy to dig up my chart.

But still.. quite intersting to see the what the aspects tell about myself. Now, if only I know how to deal with them as well... lol. Ah, well. can't have them all...

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posted March 15, 2003 07:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uhhh... what's with the face?

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i was bit stumped when i read the the venus opposing ascendant section in the first post! do the health problems related to kidney etc. as mentioned in the first post occur bcos of venus in the sixth house or bcos it's opposing the ascendant? why i ask this, astro.com says that 6th house venus gives the native exceptionally good health!

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Hi Ravish!

The POSSIBLE ill health is because of the opposition to the ascendant. Again I have to emphasize that our charts only give us potential outcomes but ultimately we have free will. In this situation it could be used to be aware that the native might develop a problem and therefore take appropriate precautions to avoid it.

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AquaMoon,

Self esteem issues are usually second house issues. If I were looking at this problem, I'd look at the sign on the cusp of the 2nd house, the planets in the 2nd house and the aspects to those planets. As well, I'd look at the ruler of the 2nd house and the aspects to the planetary ruler.

It's so hard to generalize because when we talk about aspects, they are colored by the signs and houses the planets making the aspect are in. Hard Venus/Ascendant aspects can mean many things. I have Venus in opposition to my ascendant in a t-square. This is VERY important in my chart because Venus RULES my ascendant. In other charts it may not take on as much meaning.

If Venus ruled your 2nd house and was in hard aspect to the ascendant then what you say makes good sense.

Synthesizing the chart is something that comes with time but is so rewarding.

I hope this helped somewhat.

Maria

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Hey ZenRia, you seem to know your stuff!

What would you say for Mars opp. Ascendant? I think it really makes my communication with people difficult. I seem to provoke them unintentionally (sometimes also intentionally, yes, I'm not an angel ) and whenever I'm attacked (and this is very frequent), it's never my fault, and when I attack or stand up to someone thinking they did me wrong, it always turns out that they're innocent. I just can't seem to get it right. It's a vicious circle and I'd like to get out of it. Any suggestions?

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posted March 19, 2003 02:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Morgana,

What sign is your ascendant and where is your Mars? Also where is the planet that rules your ascendant?

I'm sure there will be more detail as the planets and their aspects are added to this course one by one, but what you describe sounds very much like Mars opposed to someone's ascendant. People will tend to argue with you and could feel aggressive towards your persona -- the face you present to the world.

The nice thing about knowing your chart is you can usually find an escape route. You can learn what it is that triggers this Martian energy towards you by others and work on channeling that energy in a more positive manner ;-)

I have Libra rising so I'm ever the diplomat. That has its bad side too, believe me!

Peace to you,
Maria

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Hey Maria, thanks!

I wish I could be more diplomatic. But I think if I really try, I can be, but it's not my natural response. It's different when I write because then I have time to think and I can appear more mature, haha...

My Asc. is Leo and my Mars is in Aquarius, and my Sun is in the 11th house (squared by Uranus). The thing is that my responses are based on my emotions (I have a tight Mars-Moon square as well, my Moon is in Scorpio) and I can't find this diplomatic streak in me when my emotions are involved. Ah, well... Someone suggested, I think it was an astrologer, that I should take up some martial arts or sth to release all that built up energy, but I think I also need something that would calm me. But I have no patience for yoga and such... I guess I answered my question, right?

Thank you again Maria!

Anyone else with Mars in opp./square to Asc.?

, morgana

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posted March 19, 2003 02:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I just saw that you're one of the teachers

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Ok, I posted before, but it wouldn't accept my message coz I wasn't authorised???

Anyway, thank you Maria, that was very helpful. It will all make more sense when we get through a few more lessons. I still feel like a bit of a novice.

Aquamoon

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Hi Morgana!
I also have Mars in Gemini opposite Scorpio ascendant.......same problem but I also seem to attract people who are very confrontational. I know I appear severe and let's say I have a very unapproachable exterior.I compensate by smiling a lot and generally being a 'goof-ball'(my Jupiter is conjuct the ASC).... helps put people at ease.But once in a while someone leans over and says to me'SMile you're making people nervous!' but then my Mars is also square my sun and my Pluto. It's like having an energy wave surrounding me...'speciallly when I'm in a temper (don't get those much anymore).

Hey at least we don't go by unnoticed!!!

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morgana
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posted March 20, 2003 05:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey brunhilde!

Yep, being unnoticed has never been my problem You described this very well: people keep telling me that I look like I could kill somebody when I'm in a bad mood, people just stay away from me, I guess I look really aggressive. My Scorp Moon doesn't help either. I guess you know what that's like, having a Scorp Asc., right. And this accounts also for the unapproachable exterior I think. I have that as well, people think I'm stuck up, but mostly it's just a defense shield. And when I'm serious, I look very severe. I wonder if this is due to Mars opp. Asc. or Scorpio influence in the chart. I've been told that I give out an energy field (exactly the words you used ) so strong when I'm angry that nobody dares speak to me, it's like a wall around me. It certainly helps when I want to intimidate people , but seriously, this is not my intention, so I'd like to learn how to transform this energy into a more useful one.
Like you, I tend to overcompensate with smiling and laughing to make people more at ease so that they don't think I want to hurt them (maybe that's why they attack me - because I give the impression like I want to hurt them - ??), and I'm a Leo Rising so that is my way - behaving in a sunny, cheerful way. But it gets really exhausting...

You have one volatile combination there: Pluto-Mars. That's something like a tripple Mars influence, isn't it, Pluto being the higher octave of Mars...

How do you deal with this Mars opp. Asc.? Does it bother you much or have you found a way to direct this energy into something else, not into confrontations with other people? Your post sounded quite happy

, morgana

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