posted November 16, 2004 08:55 PM              

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You mentioned in an earlier post that you use Plac. house system, also mentioning something about if you were born up North that maybe a person maybe should use the Equal system. Does Northern Minnesota constitute "up north" or were you referring to Canadians etc?

Also, you once asked if my moon was in the 12th or the 1st.....I assume that it is in the first house, however, it appears that if my birthtime were off just by 2 minutes, I would have my moon in the 12th.......being that close is kinda frustrating, because that would make a big difference in my chart right? Makes you wonder about accuracy, 6:40 pm is a nice rounded number, hmmm.
thanks,
Noreen

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posted November 16, 2004 11:48 PM            

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Hi Noreenz,
I see what you mean, 55 degrees in the 1st and 7th house. With Equal House an interesting thing happens, It places Neptune conjunct the MC (6 Scorpio), Pluto conjunct the 8th house cusp (Pluto belongs in the 8th House, strong placement,6 Virgo),Moon conjunct the Asc (6 Aquarius)

Having a planet on both points (Asc. and 10th house) pretty much sets the mood of your chart. How have you incorperated the square to these two planets? Are you moody? Sympathetic? I'm sure even with a hard aspect. Neptune rules the second house. This has a lot to do with the way you feel about yourself.
Also changing signs will be Sun, Mercury, N.N and Venus now in the 8th house, that will reinforce moods.

What do you think? Shall we use the equal house system? Does it fit you better? How are you musically? do you have the ear? Let us know

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posted November 17, 2004 10:02 PM              

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Lalainda~Thank you for your response.

Could you explain what you meant by the following:
"Having a planet on both points (Asc. & 10th house) pretty much sets the mood for your chart."

"Neptune rules the 2nd house"

Please forgive my ignorance, I am relatively new at this.

also, in response to your question, I would say that I'm more sympathetic than moody (my children however may disagree, lol)

And for the most part, I really do think the Equal system suits me better....but as time goes on and I learn more, I'll be better able to judge, hopefully.

Thank you!
Noreen

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posted November 17, 2004 11:47 PM            

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Hi Noreenz,
Using the equal house system Neptune sits exactly on the midhaven and the Moon sits on your Aquarius Asc., they make an exact square.
so you have
Moon conjunct Asc.
Moon square MC
Moon square Neptune
Neptune square Asc.
Neptune conjunct MC
and of course Asc. square MC (which you'll have with equal with house)

I found this at MSN Astrology (a very good site) thought you might like this. Betty Lunsted is an exellent author

Moon square Neptune (Betty Lundsted)

The energy of this aspect manifests itself much like the Moon-Neptune conjunction, except that it is less productive. The Moon indicates how we respond emotionally, and this response is learned from the mother during the first three years of life. Neptune indicates creativity, inspiration and delusion. When this planet squares (or works against) the Moon, it usually indicates that some delusion is at hand. The cirumstances of the delusion are an unknown factor of the childhood. The delusion can range from the fact that the mother 'played around' but told everyone that she was a 'goody-two-shoes' to the fact that family members lied about her. At any rate, the child born with this aspect is misinformed either by the mother herself or by the family members.

This aspect is difficult for it means that the person doesn't have a clear picture of his motehr image and cannot see how she did or didn't influence his childhood. If the person is mother-dominated, he may blame the state of his emotional problems on his father because Mother told him he should. The other aspects in the chart will either verify her story or show the individual that Mother needs to be investigated in order to gain freedom from her influence. In the case of the father-dominated person, the mother is not so important and the father may be favored, or the role Mother played may not be considered as important. In either case, the individual needs to understand the mother in order to develop the feminine function, the feeling and intuitive side of the self.

It's especially important to understand the truths of our early childhood when we are unable to live adult lives free of parental influence. If we go from one unproductive situation to anohter, the root cause is often within ourselves: and it is by determining what kind of 'normals' we absorbed as children that we can ultimately let go of the problem. The investigation of family patterns will not be successful when pursued with vengeance. As we mature, we begin to understand that misunderstandings created between children and parents are done by accident.

*added* Everybody has something, I have the opposition and its similar, although mine isn't on the angle its part of a T-Square. The good thing about this is we mature and use these aspects to improve ourselves and grow, it makes for wise people.
What I meant about your Pisces second house (Neptune rules) is along with your possesions, the second house tells how you feel about you. The value you put on you, what you'll take and what you won't. Pisces can be sacrificial (for the right cause)

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posted November 20, 2004 02:47 PM              

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Hi Lalalinda,

using Astro. com, I think I'm coming up with different aspects than you are. It appears that the aspects are the same with Equal & Placidus, I realize the houses change, I can't see where you get Neptune conj. MC ......birthtime 6:40 pm, Crookston, Minn, 9-20-60......perhaps I posted my wrong time???
Thanks, Noreen

Equal-
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/achart_yrxfilevu1FXv-u1080779892.70339.4070.d2gw.pdf

Placidus-
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/achart_yrxfilevu1FXv-u1080779892.70875.9173.d2gw.pdf

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posted November 20, 2004 06:29 PM            

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Noreenz,
I checked and rechecked and couldn't understand what the problem could possibly be. For some reason I couldn't pull up your chart. Then I checked the date, I have September 2 instead of 20. OH NO NOW I'M DYSLEXIC. Sorry about that, I also got a 6 degree Aquarius Asc (conjunct the moon) Your Neptune is 6 Scorpio which would have put Neptune at the Top of the chart conjunct the MC. All this time I've been working with that chart, silly me. Bear with me. Ok I'm off to rectify and will be adding to this post later today.

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posted November 20, 2004 07:06 PM              

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HOLY CRAP......WAIT............COME BACK.....IT IS 9-2-60!!!! NOT 9-20-60,

I AM TERRIBLY SORRY........I SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT! (head hanging down, lips pouted) i guess i was too busy trying to make sure i got those dang address's posted correctly.

Again, I am so sorry.

Noreen

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posted November 21, 2004 02:49 AM            

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Not a problem Noreenz, My brain is pudding today. I'm making mistakes right and left so this is a relief. Do we agree on your Moon and Asc. degree? If so then I don't need to rectify your chart. With the equal house system whatever degree is on the Ascendant will be the degree on each house cusp
Below is a piece on Scorpio on the MC

First Decanate (Scorpio-Scorpio): These people need vocations where there are secrets to be uncovered, such as chemistry, investigative work, psychology, and even astrology. They will not quit a job until it is finished and they have the final answer. They have very practical business talents and can attend to the most minute details if necessary. If they use their probing minds, they will have great success.

With Taurus-Taurus on the IC, they cannot be changed by their family but can be led through love to co-operate. This influence gives them a very stubbron attitude concerning domestic affairs. Once something in the house is in a certain position, it remains there forever.

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posted November 21, 2004 01:26 PM              

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Hmmmm, I'm still confused......using Astro.com, (both Equal & Plac.) show me having: 2 Sag 34'52 on the MC and 2 Gem. on the IC........I'm obviously not getting something, do you have your own software, could astro.com be wrong......or am I totally confused. Its like something is off just a bit....ya know? Anyways, if you use Astro. com, you'll see where I'm getting all my info??

I am so sorry about all this. I don't mean to be such a burden, perhaps you could check astro.com against your chart and see if there are any differences, because quite honestly, maybe I'm misunderstanding something. Thank you.

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posted November 21, 2004 03:23 PM            

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If we use Equal house then
Aquarius Asc. (1)
Pisces 2nd
Aries 3rd
Taures 4th
Gemini 5th
Leo 7th
Virgo 8th
Libra 9th
Scorpio 10th
Sagitarius 11th
Capricorn 12th
the degree of your Ascendant will be the degree of the house cusps
In your Placidius chart you have Sagitarius on the MC, see if you're more comfortable with this interpretation, as you'll see its like night and day compared to a Scorpio MC

(Jeanne Avery)

With the luckiest planet in the zodiac ruling the tenth house of career, the Sagittarius MC person can have great good fortune in areas of public life. Jupiter is the planet that is associated with enthusiasm, humor, sales, wealth, wealth of spirit, and good luck. Sagittarius on the cusp of the tenth house describes optimism and the constant need for goals and challenges in career matters. There is a strong possibility that one with this Midheaven will have several careers in one lifetime, as he becomes bored if a challenge is missing. If he can find an occupation that he cannot conquer completely, he will be successful.

When Jupiter is well aspected in an individual chart, the photographs he took of the parent of the same sex describe a happy-go-lucky parent, optimistic, perhaps religious, wealthy financially or wealthy of spirit. He sees that parent as one who is successful as a result of contagious enthusiasm and optimism. If Jupiter is not well aspected, the parent may have had severe disappointments in life that precondition the normal optimism of the personality. Since there is strong identification with the parent of the same sex in choice of career, it can be important to realize how devastatingly a parent's disappointment in the career arena can affect this person. In this event, the Sagittarius MC person may hesitate to be truly successful, in order to remain on the same level as that parent.

With a strongly aspected Jupiter, the parent encouraged the child to set goals and express enthusiasm in public life. If not, the parent may have inadvertently warned the Sagittarius MC personality about the danger of disappointment. In the positive sense, the relationship between parent and child was happy, optimistic, philosophical, and enjoyable. With a difficult Jupiter, the Pisces personality may have experienced great disappointment from that parent.

A certain degree of spirituality, perspective, or vision and hopefulness is necessary for involvement in film or theatre.

Home life, later life, and the parent of the opposite sex are described by the fourth house in a chart. With Gemini ruling here, the individual photographs the parent of the opposite sex as being especially witty, verbal, interesting, and exciting intellectually. Depending on the aspects to the planet Mercury in the individual chart, he will either have exceptionally good communication with that parent, respecting his or her ideas and thoughts, or have disagreements.

The planet Mercury, ruler of Gemini, is the planet associated with the adult ego state, in terms of Transactional Analysis. The adult part of oneself is the fact collector, with clear thoughts and ideas to be expressed. Strong opinions can be associated with the planet Mercury, as well as any intellectual activity such as writing, analyzing, researching, or studying. If that planet is well aspected in a natal chart, the association with the parent of the opposite sex is mentally stimulating, with shared ideas and witty discussions. The joy of the exchange of opinions and ideas leads to a later desire to have a home where ideas and thoughts are shared and examined.

If Mercury is not well aspected, the potential for disagreement with that parent is strong, and photographs of that parent are apt to focus on mental stress, flightiness, and criticism. If Mercury is badly aspected to Saturn, for instance, the parent may tend to think negatively, or be insecure about his or her intelligence. If Mercury and Mars are in difficult configuration, the parent may be sarcastic or caustic in discussions or with expressing views. When the Moon and Mercury are badly aspected, there is a tendency to speak and think emotionally or with lack of precision or clarity. Difficult combinations between Mercury and Jupiter can bring about a tendency to say too much, oversell, or promise more than can be delivered.

Whe Mercury and the planet Uranus are not in good aspect, there is potential mental stress for the parent of the opposite sex. He or she may have an erratic way of speaking, with thought and ideas tumbling forth in jumbled profusion. In extreme cases, the parent may have feared a mental breakdown at some point in his or her life. Too much 'electricity' coming into the brain may produce scattered ideas, rapid speech, and confusion in mental expression.

When Mercury and Pluto are in difficult aspect, there is a tendency to manipulate with words; the individual tends to say what he feels the weather will bear. The parent may have been a compulsive talker as well, fearing he would go unnoticed unless he poured forth a marathon of words. Mercury and Neptune in difficult aspect describe a tendency to overanalyze concepts and destroy dreams by nit-picking. The parent may have stressed practicality instead of encouraging the Gemini IC child to follow his dreams. These aspects describe not only the personality of that parent but also the quality of the relationship between parent and child.

Home life tends to be a place of activity with Mercury ruling this house. If Mercury is well aspected, the constant sharing of ideas will be stimulating and enjoyable, but if that planet is not well aspected, the personality may periodically have to get away frmo the overwhelming mental activity. Ideally, this person would like to have a salon where he could combine fascinating people from literary and artistic worlds, making his home a meeting place for the exchange of great thoughts. He will no doubt have a vast library or at least a special place for the books he collects. Since Gemini is a dual sign, he may need two homes in order to gain perspective and find occasional mental peace. One home may be more of a hideaway, the other a more public place. Each place may have a distinct personality of its own. The Gemini IC may find that his inclination to writ and express concrete intellectual ideas increases as he grows older. He begins to bring many of his idealistic views into clearer focus, and learns how to clarify many of the vague ideas that formerly floated through his mind. He can become a brilliant speaker or writer, lecturer or teacher. Mental stimulation will certainly continue all his life.

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posted November 21, 2004 10:37 PM              

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I GOT IT!

In my defense (lol), when I use the Equal system @ astro., they don't change the aspects on the "chart". On the wheel, it does show Nept. conj. (the beginning of 10th house) however, on the wheel, toward the END of the 10th house, it states in bold letters MC 2.35........so its not marked MC at the beginning of the 10th......I didn't realize I was suppose to know that the beginning of the 10th house is the MC, cuz, I've never dealt with the MC/IC, still on Asc...hadn't even given it any thought..basically I hadn't gotten that far and went strickly off of the table charts, which they don't change when changing house systems. I am probably making no sense at all here, sorry. Anyways, I've been reading up on how the changes would affect me...leaning towards the Scorp MC, however.....???

Geez, fascinating, I wish I could spend all night looking things up and studying, however, am leaving in a few hours for vaca. and need to get packed, husband due home soon and won't he be pleased to see that I haven't done a dern thing....I'd better get a move on....

Thanks Lalalinda for your patience with me, and all your time. I'll be back next week and hopefully will have had some more time to investigate this.

Thanks again.
Noreen

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posted November 22, 2004 02:27 AM              

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great, as soon as I think "I got it", I find this:

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The Midheaven, or MC (Medium Coeli) is one of the most important angles in the birth chart. The Midheaven traditionally indicates career, status, aim in life and aspirations.

The Midheaven is the name given to the point where the ecliptic crosses the meridian (line of longitude) which passes through the birth or event in question. It follows, therefore, that the Midheaven position will be the same for anyone born along the same line of longitude at the same time on the same day. In the Placidus house system, the Midheaven forms the cusp of the 10th house; in the equal house system it can be found in the 9th, 10th or 11th house. The other end of this axis, 'beneath' the earth, is the point known as the IC or Immum Coeli, which we will examine in a separate article.

It could be said that the Midheaven sign represents our life goal; the ascendant sign represents our way of achieving that goal, or our unconscious strategy for attaining it.

Whilst the Midheaven is traditionally thought of as indicating a goal in terms of career or working life, it is not confined to this type of goal, and can indicate very personal or spiritual goals too. The individual will identify with and admire the qualities of the sign on the Midheaven, whether or not they actually have those qualities themselves.

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from: http://www.elysian.co.uk/ascendant.htm
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so according to this, maybe my MC could be in the later part of the 10th house, in Sag? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, cuz, Sag on the MC does seem to suit me better...... but using the Equal system placements of the other planets, pushing many into the 8th and Mars into the 5th seems spot on. so far anyways......

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posted November 22, 2004 12:41 PM            

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Vacation? Cool have lots of fun and we'll be seeing you when you get back. Happy Thanksgiving

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posted December 05, 2004 06:20 PM              

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I have been doing my homework......lol. I think I should just stick with the Placidus system since it is the most commonly used and would probably make my life a bit easier until I know what I'm doing.

I am taking a short astrology class at a local bookstore, she uses the Porphery (sp?) system, which is quite similar to Placidus, anyways she gave me a quickie reading and seems pretty accurate. I think I'll pay her to do an indepth reading, then I'll know for sure which house system to use.

Thank you,
Noreen

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posted December 06, 2004 04:48 AM            

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OK back to placidius

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posted December 06, 2004 11:45 AM              

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Thanks LaLa! I see you're in Nevada, I'm in CA, went to Utah for the Holiday and decided to come home the Fri. after Thanksgiving....thank goodness or would have been stuck there, hope you weren't put out too much by that storm, I understand it got pretty ugly in some parts of Nev.

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