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lalalinda
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posted January 16, 2005 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome NM

You are another one with Uranus in the 8th house, Great placement for an astrologer, at the very least being able to understand the concept to your advantage.

You have an Aries Ascendant so I'm betting you're one of those forceful Pisces whos got everyone fooled as to what a softy you are inside hmmm??

Also your Mars/Pluto aspect is an inconjunction, it within 3 degrees of the 150 degree aspect. This happened because Pluto is at the end of libra and Mars is at the beginning of Aries.

lets start with your Aries Ascendant

(Jeanne Avery)

As the first thrust of Spring brings life in the form of flowers bursting through the hard, cold crust of earth, so does the first sign of the zodiac bring vibrancy to the material world around him. His bursting forth may not be as gentle as that of the plants, yet the general impression he creates is that of breaking up old patterns in order to produce rebirth and new beauty. The ruler of Aries is Mars. The person with this Ascendant expresses himself with the forcefulness of that aggressive, warlike planet, yet he also shows a romantic side that belies the fighting side of his personality.

Mars is the planet of action. It betokens activity, ambition, determination, and antagonism. It is sexual energy and high creative energy at the same time. It indicates impatience and frustration, competitive spirit and temper; yet without Mars energy, new fields would never be conquered. It is symbolic of creation itself. Aries is a Fire sign, denoting high enthusiasm and vitality. It is also a cardinal sign, showing sensitivity and an open quality. Mars wants to go forward without thought of the risks involved. It is the planet of impetuosity and impulse. It is volatile and stimulating.

If we consider that Aries is the first sign of the zodiac, we see the similarity in the Aries personality, who always wants to be first. The individual with this Ascendant is therefore a natural pioneer, as his daring and courage easily take him into uncharted territory. He is like the penetrating wedge, pacing the way for the rest of the human race. He fights the battles, breaks the ice, and makes life easier for others who come behind. He is the explorer.

Since Mars is the planet of action, the most obvious form of self-expression for one with this Ascendant is through physical activity. In fact, unless one with Aries rising gets enough physical exercise, the energy backs up and becomes temper and frustration. It has been proven through research that Mars is the strongest planet in the charts of athletes and dancers. The perfection of the physical instrument coupled with the competitive spirit makes sport a natural outlet for one with this Ascendant. The discipline necessary to perfect dance techniques provide a perect focus for the outlet of Mars energy.

In Mayan civilization, games were used to settle differences that might arise between people. Sports played a most important role in releasing anger and conflict, as wee as indicating a winner. In our present times, the Olympic Games provide a healthy outlet for competition between nations. The whole spirit of the Olympics is Martian in its nature. The directed energy, concentrated in its focus, enables athletic champion after champion to dare to set new world records. No-one doubts the courage it requires to strive for new speed, new technique, more perfection. Athletic prowess is combined with the spirit of sportsmanship and fair play in healthy competitive activity. The drive and discipline necessary to overcome obstacles in the way of success is a perfect example of the way Mars energy works. Along with physical prowerss, and need for competition, justice over evil, truth over falsehood is symbolic of sportsmanship. When the person with this fiery Ascendant finds a cause and taps his natural aggressive energy, he becomes a champion in his own way, striving to pave the way for new achievement. He is also able to work through his inner frustrations and impatience.

St. George, the patron saint of England, is an example of the kind of 'fight for right' that challenges the Mars-ruled person. (Remember the kinghts of the holy grail, who set out to conquer the unknown territory that would lead them to their victory and destiny?) Yet with all types of Mars energy, the fight for right may be combined with a goal that is unrealistic, even wrong in its concepts. Periods of war and military conquest are always rationalized by the vision of what is right. The Aries person, too, may see only his own point of view, his own vision and goals. But where his zest is unquestioned, his propriety may sometimes leave room for doubt.

Aries governed the period of civilization after Egypt's highly developed phase and before the Christian era. It covered the span of history that included the conquests of Alexander the Great and the military power of the Romans. The period of wars and military strength presaged the breaking of old conditions, stagnant civilizations, and brought forth the colonizzation of new lands. Migrations occurred as a result of the devastation. The times produced spiritual leaders to spearhead the change to come. Moses, with his fiery personality, courage and darking battled the elements and the people to make his way across the desert. His anger was displayed in the breaking of the Tablets of the Law. His drive and determination brought his charges into line and pioneered a whole new civilization.

The ram was the symbol of religion at that time. Blood sacrifices were required by the faithful. The ram is the astrological symbol assigned to Aries, and Mars rules blood as well as war and conflict. The ram pushes through obstacles by butting his head against that barrier and forcing the wall to give way. One with an Aries Ascendant can do the same thing. He may not use good judgement about his head-on collisions, but he will hammer away until he breaks through any impasse. Aries rules the head. It may be well for one with this Ascendant to use his head for something other than a battering-ram. The clue comes from discovernig the brain that lies inside.

The natural characteristics exhibited by one with this Ascendant are manifold. Beyond that dynamic energy and aggression lies a real need for conquest and challenge. The fighting spirit is so strong that unless the individual with this rising sign learns to channel his energy constructively, he may find he antagonizes everyone around him. He is not usually a naturally tactful person, and he may not care whom he upsets in the process of fulfilling his ambition. And, ambitious and competitive he certainly is. The answer lies in the way he directs that ambitious, competitive force. He is either a fighter, or a fighter for people or causes. One way or another, he will fight. He has extraordinary drive and determination, as well as courage. He can initiate new cycles of activity that would overwhelm a more timid soul. He is forceful, self-assertive, and sometimes willful. That dynamic willpower is perhaps the most important asset he possesses if he learns how to use it wisely.

The individual with Aries rising will venture, sometimes unwisely, where angels fear to tread. He loves the thrill of daily combat. He thrives on hairbreadth escapes and danger. Crisis motivates him to excel. If there is no combat in his life, he may have to invent some. Without action, he becomes bored, impatient, frustrated, and tactless. His anger turned inward may cause him to seek release in less than fruitful experiences. He can be willful and may not listen to reason. He may become tricky and jealous. He is sometimes frank to the point of bluntness, wounding those around him with his cutting words. His hostility and aggression can produce dreadful wounds that he doesn't mean to inflict.

Mars governs the sexual energy and activity. Just as sexual energy can be compelling and sometimes non-discriminating, the person with this Ascendant can use his energy in a non-discriminating manner. He needs to channel and discipline his exuberance to prevent excessive and possibly damaging expression. It is his fine power of reason that enables him to direct his abundant sexual drive itno constructive areas. Mars also rules metals. A person with Aries on the Ascendant can rechannel much of his impatience by working with metals in some way or another. He also releases energy through physical exercise. Whether he runs, dances, builds things with a metal hammer and nails, produces metal sculpture, or works with needles or knives, he must find a way to be 'combative'. Metals provide the resistance he needs for his energy release. It simply won't work to sit on all that dynamic energy or try to repress it. To ignore the frustrations would simply delay the reaction. Eventually, the lid will blow at the most inopportune time. The Aries temper, once vented, is quickly forgotten, however. He never intends to hurt anyone with his sudden outbursts.

Lucy Guercio, with Aries ascending, says this about the release of energy: 'I never have any physical problems because I release the tension or energy. I never have headaches or stomachaches because sometimes I get in my car and just scream. As long as I scream and yell and get it out, I feel much better.' One of the Reichian techniques for the release and rechanneling of tension is to scream and yell into a pillow if necessary. After such a session, almost anyone feels infinitely better physically.

Since individuals with Aries rising are the most romantic people in the zodiac, it is interesting to note that many of the screen's great lovers share this ascendant. The sexual image they project captivates women all over the world. Rudolph Valentino, Paul Newman, Steve McQueen and Warren Beatty share his rising sign. All of them come across as hard-driving, hard-loving men of action.

The person with an Aries Ascendant has a very strong constitution and terrific sense of direction. His physical movements are quick and impulsive. The tendency to trip over things is characteristic of the Martian impulse to go right through anything in one's way. The ram will spend time battering down a wall rather than walking around it. The Martian personality runs the race at breaknexk speed.

The person with this Ascendant is a terrific starter, but not such a good finisher. He is daring and animated, but impatient with those who can't keep up with him. He wants everything yesterday, wants to see immediate results, and has no tolerance for limitation and restriction. The Aries personality can cut through extraneous matters and get right to the heart of a situation, but he can be lacking in self-control and patience. If a pet project or a situation doesn't work out the way he wants, he will simply walk away rather than take the time to discover what went wrong. His need to conquer new territory may not keep him around a project or relationship that is ailing, so he can appear rather unsympathetic and unfeeling at times.

After one with Aries ascending has run the gamut of experiences and discovers that there is still an unsatisfied longing, he may pause long enough to engage his fine mind and figure things out. Mercury is the planet of intellect and reason. Aries corresponds to the head and to the motor impulses that aries in the brain. If he refuses to pay attention to his intellect, he can develop headaches as a result of that backed-up energy. Yet, with analysis of a particular situation, he can focus his energy, direct his actions more carefully, and lead a more fulfilling life. The Aries personality is capable of doing alsmost anything he really wants to do, simply because he has no fear. If he becomes aware of his fascination for the new and untried, his need for exploration, he will find a constructive way to utilize that talent instead of simply scattering his energy.

Many individuals with this Ascendant discover a talent for big business, where drive, ambition, and cunning enable them to employ onnovative ideas that put them ahead of competitors. The Aries Ascendant gives credence to the ability to forge new direction in business and in history, to find new and original solutions. One with this Ascendant will always need to be in the race for progress. He enjoys the possibility of overcoming difficulties. He will not hesitate to challenge someone who opposes his ideas.

People with this Ascedant may choose the military life as a vehicle to express this Martian energy. Rash courage and bold self-confidence can make them natural leaders. The willingness to fight in the realm of ideas may motivate otehrs to devote their lives to pioneering an organization for the betterment of humanity. Politicians with this placement are willing to battle all opposition in order to rise to the highest position in the land.

Surgery and medicine provide a natural outlet for this quality of energy. The success in animating and stimulating originality in others impels many natives with this Ascendant to become theatrical directors. A director can be most challenged in the field of thought and succeed due to his fine powers of discrimination.

The need for action and activity is directly connected to early survival decisions. The Ascendant in a chart indicates the particular quality of energy we are most comfortable in expressing. It appears that the choice of Ascendant is related to the conditions surrounding our arrival on the earth plane. During regression sessions, most individuals 'remember' their birth. Many people are aware of a conscious decision about how they will handle their particular set of circumstances. Those decisions seem to precondition behavior throughout life, unless the individual becomes cognizant of their counterproductivity. When Aries is on the rise, it appears that the individual is born with a certain amount of anger or frustration. It may be that the birth process is difficult and he has to fight his way out, or the conditions awaiting him appear to be less than harmonious. Nevertheless, he seems to decide that he will make it as long as he can fight, take action, and explore. Many times, this decision is connected to a memory of a military past life. In that case, the aggressive tendency is the most familiar one.

Since survival depends on fight, it is important that the person find real life situations to combat. Otherwise he is simply angry for the sake of anger, active to prevent boredom, and frustrated over limiting situations and restrictions. The Ascendant also describes how we behave when we are not on safe turf. For one with Aries rising, scared behavior can manifest in overly violent reactions, temper, and a caustic manner. If this person can decide why he is feeling threatened and nsure, he may lose the need to be overbearing. He feels safe when he is leading the attack. His motto could very well be: 'A good offence is the best defence'. This is the façade, of which he may be unaware on a conscious level, that he develops early on in his life. If he discovers that this tendency to battle and rush headlong into the fray becomes counterproductive and prevents his accomplishing what he wants, he can learn to show his true resolution and directed energy. He will always be a person of action, but with more thought and decision he will outdistance others in his attempt to conquer new worlds.

Children with this Ascendant can be very difficult to discipline. Discipline is essential, as they love to get into mischief, but they are particularly resistant to the word 'no'. The impetuous, rebellious nature with this Ascendant is so strong that the only way of reaching children with this Ascendant is through reason and appeal to their sense of justice. If they learn for themselves that temper tantrums and disobedience will only make life more difficult, they will learn to be more rational. A quiet, calm presentation of facts is the only way to reach them at times.

Even more important is the find a physical outlet for all the abundant vitality. It is essential that the child be given an opportunity to explore and investigate life to prevent an overly rebellious attitude. Since he is intrigued by a challenge, perfection of a talent will help him deal with his sexual, creative energy in a healthy way. Music, dance, art, and athletics are important for this child. Dancing and skating may enable him or her to channel some of that abundant energy. Since the sexual energy is so strong in one with an Aries Ascendant, there may be a tendency to experiment very early in life. Sound moral values, instilled as early as possible, can help to prevent negative experiences in puberty.

This child is given to hero worship as well. Realistic presentation of facts about situations and people is also important. Blind devotion can lead him into more trouble than almost anything else. He rushes into a situation or involvement without really understanding the issues at hand. Once he is committed, it is difficult to dissuade him. Since he can't easily be persuaded to control his impulse, he may have to learn by trial and error. Being burned in a small way can prevent later, larger wounds. If he becomes aware of the boomerang effect of his actions and is allowed to take the consequences, he will develop more cautious behavior. Because of his wish to have immediate gratification, life can be difficult for a child with this Ascendant. He will develop a strong love for truth, justice, and loyalty if he is given a chance.

The placement for Mars in an individual chart will indicate the ideal area for the release of this incredible drive. The aspects to Mars indicate how easy it is for the individual to realize his need for action.

The individual with Aries ascending can learn much from examination of the qualities of his opposite sign, Libra. Each sign has a polarity with the opposite one in the chart. Health is in finding balance, and balance in this instance comes from adopting some of the diplomatic qualities of the Libran personality. He can also learn some lessons of graciousness and charm. (The Libra personality in turn can learn something from the aggressive energy of the Mars-ruled person.) The United Nations gives a perfect example of the integration of these qualities. With Aries on the Ascendant of this world court, the pioneering quality is obvious. Issues that are brought to the attention of this body are certainly ones that could lead to conflict if unresolved. But with calm deliberation, diplomacy, and tact - while never losing sight of the fight involved - issues can be resolved peacefully. With a rational approach and examining all sides of the issue, reason solves potentially explosive situations. Aries rising can learn much from the way the UN operates. Since the Aries personality is the most romantic in the zodiac, if he learns to make love, not war, he is a winner beyond compare.

With Libra on the Descendant, what one with a Martian personality needs and looks for in a relationship is the calming, tranquil influence of someone dedicated to keeping peace. If Venus is well-aspected in the individual chart, there is a good chance that one with Aries rising will find just that in a partnership.

A Venus-ruled person is one who is easygoing, diplomatic, charming, and pleasant to look at. Graciousness is a natural part of the personality. Venus rules artistry, sociability, and balance. The poise associated with a Venusian personality is essential for the completion of the aggressive spirit of the Aries personality. In order to keep peace and restore harmony and balance, a Venus-ruled person needs the dynamic, hasty, impulsive Martian person to stir things up. In that way, they complement each other. The danger comes when the Venus-ruled person tries to keep peace at any cost, while the Mars-ruled personality forges ahead with unchecked ambition and drive. Sometimes the Mars-ruled person may be frustrated by lack of drive or zest on the part of the mate, who will never challenge him.

The aspects of Venus in an individual chart give clues about the nature of the relationship. If Venus is well-aspected, the Aries rising person is successful in attracting that beautiful person to share his life or his business. If marriage is the issue, the Aries personality will find his true love. He will marry for only one reason and that is for love and to find the happiness and harmony he is seeking. That love will be returned, and a good relationship is assured. If business is involved, the Libra diplomacy will smooth over any feathers that the Mars-ruled person ruffles. The ambitious, daring, pioneering quality of the Aries person is enhanced and harmonized by the Libra ability to negotiate. Libra rules legal affairs as well. The legal balance of the scales is sometimes necessary to check the impulsive qulity of the Aries personality.

If Venus is not well-aspected in the chart, the easygoing nature of the partner may very well keep him from expressing active diplomacy. Laziness, an unwillingness to make waves, can stimulate him to do anything to keep peace. The negative aspects indicate the possibility of being devious, tricky, and self-indulgent. Social graces give way to flattery, indiscrimination, inaction. Love gives way to possessiveness and jealousy. The Mars personality may not get the support and active harmony he needs. The relationship will not be stormy, but just the opposite. It may lack the energy and magnetic attraction essential for true happiness. Aries rising can feel guilty if he is allowed to ride roughshod over someone too gentle to fight back, or to stand up for himself. The Mars personality may need to examine motives for the partnership or relationship. If the raison d'être is for public approval or for social contacts, the relationship will not provide what is truly essential for one with Aries rising. If opposite can learn from each other rather than forming a competitive relationship, their complementary qualities can bring greater enrichment. One with Aries rising can learn a great deal about tact from the Venusian personality.

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posted January 17, 2005 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! that's so accurate, thank you

There are lots who still think I'm hopelessly soft and timid If only they knew

Great placement for an astrologer, I like that!!

I do get very frustrated sometimes from overloading enery but I never knew where it came from. I'm gonna start screaming into my pillow!!

I did fight my way out when I was born I came out unusually quickly!!

If I can just ask one question, it's about the 4th paragraph from the bottom ( the short one ). Is my Venus well-aspected in my chart.

Again thank you

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posted January 17, 2005 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conjunct Mars
Trine Jupiter
Trine Uranus
Square Neptune

Yes, more importantly your Mars (your ruler) and Venus (your Descendant ruler) are conjunct this means that you and partnerships are the same (your wants, needs etc)
I'm going to give you Venus square Neptune your only hard Venus aspect.

Venus square or opposition Neptune (Charles Carter)

In some respects these seem to lead to more definite results than the trine and sextile, for they bestow a divine discontent, and a constant restless seeking for an ideal which is not easily realisable on earth. This is particularly so in matters of the affections. The ideals are indeed very high, and there may be a persistent dissatisfaction with both things and persons, varying from a petulant or peevish attitude, to a noble aspiration and persistent endeavour to seek for a fuller realisation of inner visions. There may be a difficulty in adapting oneself to surroundings or to people with whom contact is made; almost always, the affections are extremely sensitive and responsive.

The devotion to art may be as great as with the good aspects, but there will be difficulty in following this path, or there may be eccentricities of expression - nevertheless, the inharmonious combinations are frequently found in the nativities of great artists.

Although the good aspects of these two planets are naturally more favourable for happiness and easy conditions, it seems that, so far as achievement, moral character, and artistic ability go, the inharmonious aspects are in no way inferior to them; in fact, they may be better inasmuch as they may produce more energy.

A tendency to 'sit on the fence' and to avoid definieness in judgement and action seems sometimes to occur.

As a result of the fact that the emotional nature is abnormally sensitive and unstable, happiness in all relationships with others, and particularly in marriage, is frequently endangered, a slight difference often assuming imaginary important, whilst the native may easily form clandestine connections with others owing to his or her extreme susceptibility to affectional influences coupled with a dislike of open rupture or violent 'scenes'.

This tendency externalises in the shape of confused and deceptive conditions, uncertainty, treachery, and instability.

The imagination is very active, and this may also lead to moral lapses.

Much of the same circumstances generally arise in matters of the 2nd house. The native find himself be victimised, or, in a generally weak natus, there may be attempts to defraud others. Sometimes it is to be observed that the native himself seems to have some kind of mental warp which makes him unable to see clearly in these matters, so that he appears hardly to realise what he is doing and his very victims cannot believe that his intentions have been evil. In money matters, persons with this contact should be careful to avoid any sort of entanglements and would do well carefully to avoid anything that has the Neptunian characteristics; they may otherwise easily be involved in some kind of 'South Sea Bubble' collapse.

Females ought to be particularly careful in their male associates, for the contact threatens deception, and the men that are met are likely sometimes to prove by no means what they seem. Any trace of addiction to drink or drugs may lead to something very serious. Sometimes, ultimate ruin is hidden by an illusive preliminary happiness.

In a word, the native should practise utter directness and straightforwardness in all his dealings, and should rigidly require the same behaviour from others, in so far as it is in his power to do so.

Often the reputation suffers through questionable relationships, and sex or finance are usually the grounds of attack.

Needless to say, any psychic or other mediumistic practices are particularly dangerous to those with these positions.

Since Venus has a general reference to objects of affection, these contacts may indicate anxiety with regard to the mother, sisters, children, and even pets.

The health is usually to some extent affected; and if either planet has special reference to physical well-being, then sensitiveness, especially to drugs, may be expected. The vicinity of the sea is harmful, and dry, bracing air is beneficial.

There is a tendency to experiment with diet and to practise vegetarianism, owing to the sensitive nature of the contact. But this course is likely, in the case of the bad aspects, to prove difficult or unsatisfactory.

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Thank you lalalinda, but isn't my Neptune in Sagittarius?

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posted January 17, 2005 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes it is, 28 Sag, Your venus is 6 Aries
but because your Neptune is at the end of Sag and Mars is at the beginning of Aries its making the square instead of the trine.

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I didn't know that could happen, very intriguing. Thanks again

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posted January 18, 2005 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
go over and check out the "finding aspects" thread and study it. Pretty soon you'll be able to do it just by looking at it. This is something you need to know

Your Uranus placement (exalted by house) in the 8th gives you the ability to understand and utilize astrology, heres a piece on Uranus in the 8th

(Stephanie Camilleri)

Very independent, those with this Uranus position think everything out for themselves and accept nothing at face value. Circumstances in childhood act to set them apart in some way from their peers, causing them to feel different or isolated; and this isolation remains with them to some extent throughout their lives. Once they have arrived at a conclusion about smoething, they stick with it and can be extremely dogmatic. They do not like to be told what to do, and will resist authority - usually not openly, but simply by not responding. They can seem very cold, disinterested, or even conceited in companionship, though this is due to shyness or their sense of isolation, as they are usually deeply caring, especially on a one-to-one basis.

Though they can dedicate themselves to a cause and work with groups to achieve it, they rarely become members of a group and will part company with it as soon as it no longer serves what they believe to be its purpose. They hate to compromise. They want to stand at the centre of whatever situation is primary in their lives and, if they cannot, prefer to go it alone. If they are able to control a situation it will be by a sort of remote control, by personal example and charisma, rather than by direct or overt efforts to influence.

They frequently present a serious or stern appearance. They could never be characterised as sily or hilarious, though they may try on such behaviour, fearing they won't be included because of being thought 'too serious'. They have an heroic streak that will surface at moments of crisis, an ability to step outside themselves and be self-sacrificing and noble. They can also break out of their customary shell every so often and do something really wild.

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posted February 04, 2005 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we're on Mercury right now
Your Mercury makes only minor aspects, with the exception of Chiron which it makes the opposition to.
Lets start with Mercury in Aquarius in the 3rd house.


(Julia and Derek Parker)

The mind is quick, and the individual usually has considerable originality, especially in opinions and ideas. There will be an intellectual approach to problems, and dynamism, most apparent when communicating with others. However, he or she can be stubborn and perverse, and perhaps slightly hysterical under stress. Nervous tension can cause problems, and it may be hard to unwind (either or both are likely if Mercury is negatively aspected by Mars or Uranus). Consistency of effort must be developed. The subject is usually very friendly and helpful, with the quick mind necessary to assess problems succinctly and speedily. Unusual studies or hobbies often fascinate, and there may be an attraction to the deep past or distant future. The Aquarian humanitarian traits are present, and the subject may do well when raising money or bringing injustice to light. Creative ability can also be increased if shown elsewhere in the chart.

If the Sun sign is Pisces, then Piscean emotions will be countered by the ability to think objectively. The subject can be detached from his or her feelings, so is not usually overwhelmed by them. Natural intuition is also controlled by more logical thinking processes. Piscean sympathy and kindness blends well with the humanitarian element of Mercury in Aquarius - help is given because it is seen to be needed, as well as because the individual is moved by a surge of emotion. The imagination is good and can be used originally and creatively, but Piscean self-confidence needs boosting if the most is to be made of this potential. Again, Mercury will help, since it enables Pisces to think positively.


(Howard Sasportas)

Awareness of the self and life in general is expanded through friendships and group contacts if Mercury is in the 11th. Rather than just pursuing something alone, Mercury here enhances its knowledge by seeking other people who share a similar interest. For instance, you can study astrology on your own at home with some books, or you can gather together with other people interested in it. Through your doing so, other people's attitudes, points of view and experiences of the topic enlarge your own scope and appreciation. Helpful hints can be shared, and your own opinions aired: 'Oh yes, I hadn't seen that before, but did you ever consider...'. Problems with Mercury in this house could indicate trouble communicating or being understood in groups.

Mercury in the 11th also joins organizations which promote a common belief, concept or cause. One voice becomes many: a group of people thinking something is more powerful than just one person thinking the same thing. Mercury's thoughts might dwell on the ways in which society can be improved or advanced. Mercury in the 11th feels a kinship with like minds or with other group members, and sometimes acts as the group spokesperson. Then again, they may be the one that everyone else tells to shut up so that other people can get a word in. The nature of the group itself may be 'mercurial' - debating clubs, writing societies, or networking groups which link or refer one person or group to another.

Much of the same applies to friendship. If Mercury is projected onto companions, then those with this placement may seek a friend to do their thinking and decision-making for them. Or a friend may turn out to be unreliable, gossiping, or the type who says one thing and then does another. An actual brother or sister may be their best friend, or a friend is sought who can be like a brother or sister to them.


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posted February 09, 2005 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how are you Neptunes Mermaid
We're on Venus right now.
For you Venus rules the 7th (Libra) house of partnerships conjuncting Mars which rules your Ascendant and in the 12th house of secrets.
Venus is exalted here.


(Frances Sakoian and Louis S. Acker)

Venus rules the principle of love and reaching out to others. Venus in Aries indicates those who tend to be aggressive in their emotional self-expression. Their outgoing natures lend enthusiasm and sparkle to social gatherings. They have no reticence in pursuing the object of their interests, and they can be competitive when seeking the affection of others. In a female horoscope, this quality may make for an aggressive approach in which the woman chases the man. The ability of these people to be passionate in love and romance results from Mars, the ruler of Aries, which gives energy to the affections of Venus. These affections can be impulsive and unstable, however.

Venus in Aries is in its detriment, because Aries is the opposite sign to Libra, which Venus rules. For this reason people with Venus in Aries demand a lot of personal attention and tend to be self-centred.

If Venus is afflicted in Aries, the native's manners can be coarse, lacking refinement. When Venus in Aries is well aspected, there is a positive, cheerful attitude. There is also the ability to be actively creative in art
(Babs Kirby and Janey Stubbs)

For someone with Venus in the twelfth house, love and sacrifice become intertwined. These people are capable of caring for others in a selfless and compassionate way. Their own needs may not be apparent to them, let alone to others, so they can easily be overlooked. This will inevitably lead to complicated scenarios. Their fulfilment can came from an undemanding devotion to someone else. They may experience a vicarious happiness through suffering, and may find pleasure in being a victim of martyr in love.

They can try to be all things to all people, which gets them into considerable confusion in their relationships. As they lack clarity, they frequently find themselves enmeshed in tangled emotional situations. This is an externalization, a making actual, of their own inner muddle. They do not properly understand their own needs; hence this leads them into complicated scenarios.

They can therefore have very unhappy love lives that invove a lot of personal sacrifice. They may want someone who will make sacrifices from them too. They may love someone to whom they can never declare their love - someone unavailable for one reason or another, whom they can only ever love in secret. This could be someone they know, who is in their life in some way but has no idea of how they feel, or someone they have never actually met, someone famous perhaps, a remote fantasy figure.

They are also susceptible to having affairs - usually clandestine because of ohters involved who must not find out. They may be people who would, anyway, want to keep their love feelings private. They may be naturally undemonstrative except in totally private situations.

They may choose to remain uninvolved. This might be a conscious choice to be celibate. They may long for a 'pure' spiritual or mystical love experience. Or they may prefer to be alone with a fantasy rather than to be in any real relationship. While this can be a lonely option, their fantasies around love can remain ideal; untinged by reality, they can create the perfect love in their mind.

They lack discrimination in love, and can have their feelings played on. They are often extremely sympathetic and compassionate people, and can be drawn into loving out of pity.

Happiness might come from being a part of an institution which involves a sacrifice of personal love and comfort for a wider and selfless good.

They can also be people who enjoy their privacy and spending time by themselves. These could be people who take the phone off the hook and have long, lazy, scented baths and generally find pleasure in pampering themselves. Someone with Venus in the twelfth could be extremely self-indulgent, capable of creating a self-sufficient world of pleasure.

(Charles Carter)

The native is likely to be sensitive and easily angered in a superficial manner; on the other hand, the sympathies are equally active and the annoyance is easily appeased.

The sensuous nature is strong, and there is a love of good living, fun, adventure, and amusement. It has something of a coarse effect, and the native, if a man, is generally lacking in delicacy in his attitude towards women and may be something of a Rabelais; the language and humour are often not of a drawing-room kind.

Nevertheless, if this conjunction takes some of the bloom from Venus it likewise greatly softens Mars, making the action of the planet more gentle and sympathetic at heart, if not in manner. If the conjunction receives good aspects from other bodies, it may be valuable, indicating an harmonious blending of two opposite influences, the charm of Venus and the energy of Mars.


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Hi Lalalinda,

Thanks I'm good, how are you?

I'm soooo sorry I didn't thank you for the other posts. I hope you know how much I appreciate your help and I know how busy you are. I'm really grateful for what you're doing for me. Thanks so much

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Hi Lalalind,

I just have one quick question. I have Venus and Mars in Aries but in the twelfth house. Is one stronger than the other? Please can you help.


Again thank you loads and loads

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