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lalalinda
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posted January 17, 2005 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome future_uncertain

I hope you haven't had to wait to long, I am sorry. Lets get started You have a stellium in the 12th house with the Sun, Mars and Neptune.

You have a 28 degree Sag rising with your Ruling planet Jupiter posited in the 5th house at 22 Taures.

Heres Jupiter in the 5th

(Stephen Arroyo)

Keywords: Identity security.

Since all of the 'fiery' hosues have a major impact on one's attitude toward life itself, one would be correct in assuming that having Jupiter in this house (the house correlated with the Sun and Leo) would indeed motivate a person to have a strongly philosophical - and usually optimistic - attitude toward life. There is in this placement of Jupiter a powerful urge toward significance - toward 'being somebody' (as in show business), toward expressing something significant creatively, or toward making a significant contribution to society. It is not surprising that Jupiter in the fifth house is not known for a humble expression of one's self and beliefs, for such a big planet in such a powerful, dynamic house cannot be squelched or ignored.

The upbeat, optimistic quality of Jupiter is expressed well through the fifth house, with little inhibition; and, in fact, sometimes life is seen or felt to be a show, a drama, or an arena for spontaneous and enjoyable play. Traditionally, the fifth house rules speculation, and - with Jupiter in this house - risk-taking of all kinds is accentuated. Risking hurt by giving one's hear (fifth house) in love; risking financial loss through speculative investment; risking disapproval by appearing on stage in the hope of public approbation; or launching out into the world a creative work, thus risking criticism, rejection, or sheer neglect - all of these are fifth house ventures closely tied in with one's identity. All are a result of revealing and projecting publicly one's innermost self, as is also having children, another reflection of one's self (or, at least, so many parents seem to think!). So what does such extensive risk-taking have to do with 'Identity Security', this house's keywords? Simply that, by taking risks in a wide range of activities and modes of personal expresion, we can grow more secure and gain confidence that we do indeed have something to contribute; and thus our awareness of our inner self and creative purpose (beyond mere personality) can be expanded.

In Indian Vedic astrology, the fiery houses (1, 5 & 9) are known as dharma houses, and are thus connected with right action. The fifth house specifically is known for symbolizing 'creative intelligence', which is not intellectual ability but rather a more intuitive perception with a creative flair. All the fiery houses have to do with projecting dreams into the physical world in the hope of seeing them manifested; but the fifth house especially - being the most creative house of all - represents a strong need to see an effect on the world at large through one's creative ventures and self-expression. With Jupiter in this house, this urge tends to be even more persistent and powerful than with most other placements in the fifth house. This house, in fact, has more to do with true creativity than with fame; many creative pioneers have various planets in this house but are relatively unknown. If I wrote about such individuals in this book, the reader wouldn't have the vaguest idea about who they are!

Creative expression can take so many forms that we should not fall into the trap of seeing creativity only as expressed in a few artistic or entertainment fields, for Jupiter in this house can indicate an entrepreneurial streak as well, creatively building a business through the power of vision into the future. Or one can find people who encouage others to grow or to express themselves, especially those who work with children. One can also find unique examples of creative expression. Jupiter in this house can also manifest itself as being outspoken in a creative way, thus having a storng impact on society.

Because the fifth house is known for taking risks, and especially so when Jupiter is posited in it, we have to mention the tendency toward going to excess through taking too much risk. As Charles Carter wrote about the fifth house in Essays,

Thus it would not be too much to postulate that the term 'the house of self-undoing' is much more applicable to this sector than to the maligned 12th house, which more often points to trouble through other people. Those who have ruined themselves through self-indulgence and recklessness... will usually show in thier nativities an involvement of the 5th house....

and heres Jupiter in Taures

(Julia and Derek Parker)

Jupiter is at its most jovial here, thus contributing plenty of bonhomie. There is usually a great love of life and appreciation of good food and wine, so it is vital for the individual to understand that the basic principle of Jupiter, which is expansion, is very likely to encourage an ever-expanding waistline! If Juptier is afflicted by the Sun, Moon, Venus or Neptune, this attraction to good food may border on self-indulgence and greediness. If this is the case, remember that the subject may be comfort-eating to coutner a lack of real love, whether given or received; and the joviality may be clown-like, disguising introversion and unhappiness. If the individual is overweght, it will be necessary for you to warn him or her of possible liver damage, especially if the intake of alcohol is above the generally recommended level.

The motivation to make money is encouraged by this placing, and often brings great success, since the individual will invest cleverly, with flair and a good sense of timing. A healthy bank balance is necessary, since those who enjoy good food and wine often also thoroughly appreciate all the other creature comforts. There is, however, considerable generosity; and great pleasure is taken in entertaining others and seeing them enjoying themselves. Jupiter in this position contributes reliability; and common sense will prevail whenever intellectual challenges or demanding problems are faced.

There should be no difficulty in developing the more philosophical attibutes of Jupiter; and a warm sense of humor, plus a true sincerity, are among the other positive qualities of this sign placing.

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posted January 17, 2005 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, lalalinda! Where do we go from here?

I must say, I am so excited to finally be doing this. I am amazed at the time and energy you are devoting to doing this for us. WOW!

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posted January 18, 2005 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi,

your Mercury is involved in that tight square with Pluto yes, but Pluto is involved in a tight conjunction with the MC
so Mercury is square Pluto/MC

(Sue Tompkins)

Pluto conjunct the MC is usually an extremely ambitious placement and often describes the individual as choosing a vocation which involves the use of power, one which requires the exercising of a great deal of will-power and determination to get to the top. It can sometimes be found in the charts of top sportspeople who, in order to succeed, have to be very determined to survive and win.

I have also seen this placement in the charts of several Asidan women in professional jobs. In their culture, pursuing a career in this way is very much a taboo thing to do. I also know an undertaker with Pluto conjunct MC. As always, a planet may be embodied in a variety of different ways, depending on the overall chart and life-history of the individual.

Pluto contacting the MC-IC axis is often indicative of a very powerful or controlling parent. It suggests that the individual is forced to touch upon the darker sides of human life through parenting or vocational activities


Mercury in Capricorn
(Grant Lewi)

You never miss a trick. You can hear the grass grow, see out of the back of your head, smell garlic three blocks off, taste the faintest suggestion of flavoring, and feel the difference in the diameter of two hairs. Your sense impressions are right down to earth: you see things for what they are, without any ifs, buts or ands. You don't intrude any judgement, any moral or aesthetic or social code, between yourself and reality. Morals and judgement may exist in your life, but they have no bearing, in your mind, on things. A sofa is a sofa. A bed is a bed. The moral aspect of these pieces of useful furniture will not occur to you till someone else thinks of it. Your practical reaction to sense impressions makes your viewpoint sanest and most authentic in the world; and you can often help others to get down to cases by calling them back from irrelevant details to a contemplation of the real thing under discussion.

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posted January 18, 2005 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! I'll check into the merc/pluto and merc/mc a bit more on my own. You've given me a great start!

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posted March 02, 2005 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Lalalinda. I hate to bug you because I know you're so busy, but I haven't heard from you in a while and wondered if you had any suggestions on what I should do next!

Thanks!

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posted April 25, 2005 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump*

Greetings, lalalinda! I'll start by checking out some of these new topics!

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posted April 26, 2005 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Future-uncertain,

today we're going to do your 12th house planets
Sun/12
Mars/12th
Neptune/12th


Sun in the 12th house
(Stephanie Camilleri)

Here the ego is under great pressure. They have the same powerful ego thrust as those with the Sun rising, but are met by so much opposition in youth that the ego either swells to immense proportions to crish out all opposition, or retreats from battle altogether. In youth, they are so determinedly and uncompromisingly themselves that they attract the opposition of family members, schoolmates, friends, and neighbors, who never cease to give them a hard time.

They will learn to live with others the hard way. Some truly learn to compromise, and some to dissemble and intrigue, pretending to compromise while pulling strings and making secret deals to get what they want; while some retreat from all confrontation, if they can. Those who attempt to retreat often find that life has a way of coming after them and forcing confrontations that they would rather avoid. Some become monsters of egotism, seeing enemies everywhere and crushing all who stand in their path. Anyone not with them will be considered against them, and even their friends may be suspected of being enemies in disguise. Still others will go the opposite way and come to suspect their own egos, and ego itself, as a negative, selfish force. These people will be inclined to champion the voiceless underdogs of the world and give endlessly of themselves to others.

Most people with this position have an intensely private side that they keep hidden from all but their most intimate friends. On the other hand, there are those who go to the opposite extreme and live only for the spotlight and, as their close associates know, have absolutely no private life at all. They have an instinct for the public mind and can capitalize on (or even create) popular trends, though there is always a strong streak of the purely individual in everything they do that brands it theirs.

They are usually quiet on the surface and become talkative only with those closest to them, though even this can go to the opposite extreme, in which case they can be compulsive talkers, pouring out a continual stream of egotistical self-applause.

They are usaully involved with an institution for a while, whether as a patient in a hospital, as a student in reform school, in an orphanage, as an inmate of a prison, or as a worker in one of these facilities.

Given to working for causes, they can even create a cause in order to give themselves something to work for.

The overall truism about the twelfth-house Sun is that it tends to go to extremes; what sort of extremes will be indicated by the aspects to the Sun and its dispositor. Often, these people will go to one extreme in youth, then overcompensate at mid-life by swinging to the opposite extreme, coming finally late in life to more perspective and a more comfortable position near the middle of the road.

Those who rise to power have a tendency to misuse it. The tendency to go to extremes and to vacillate from one extreme to another can have terrible consequences, both for them and for their constituents. Those who become successful in other fields often carry a reputation for misbehavior or suffering; for instance, actors or writers may prefer to portray martyrs, villains, or underdogs, than more upbeat types. In almost any field they may have a reputation for being hard to get along with.

Mars in the 12th house
(Stephanie Camilleri)

Mars is very strong at this angle; those with this position are capable of intense effort. They will have an early experience that teaches them restraint (if it doesn't do them in), although it may take many lessons before they learn to hold back when necessary. They are capable of miraculous feats of effort and will. Types of effort will range from the spiritual - lives dedicated to high spiritual goals - to the lowest levels of self-gratification; but the power is present to do what they will.

The Mars energy is so primal and strong at this angle that it is hard for these people to be rational and objective about their inner desires and cravings. In youth, they may be troublesome to those near and dear because of the scrapes they get into. They are capable of rising high in life and achieving much, but are always susceptible to having their cart overturned, usually due to their own recklessness (physical in Earth and Fire, verbal in Air, emotional in Water).

If Mars is close to the Ascendant, there is more persistence; more power to hold on, to learn from adversity and go on to win, and to try over and over in spite of difficulties. Mars in the middle of the twelfth house inclines toward giving in to defeat, or to a loss of control so great that the recuperative powers have no chance to act.

If aspects to Mars are not good, there may be trouble with the law, time spent in jail, or serious accidents and time spent in hospitals.


Neptune in the 12th house
(Stephanie Camilleri)

THese people are generally shy and reserved and don't seek the limelight, though they are poised and graceful when they must step forward in order to accomplish goals. Tender and understnading of human sorrow and frailty, they have a deep desire to help. With difficult aspects, their childhood home may have been unstable in some way, although there may have been a lot of love.

This is an excellent position for an artist, songwriter, playwright, or anyone who lives by capturing the needs and trends of their time. It gives a good sense of rhythm and timing.

Generally, twelfth-house Neptune gives charisma with an appearance of pride and a head held high. These people tend to be naturally modest, but keenly feel their own worth, and as such, feel superior to the common herd. However, they remain deeply vulnerable to loneliness and are sometimes hard put to find a way out of it, as they cannot be content wth just anyone as a companion. Though they are generally warm and loving, they may hide it behind a cool, reserved exterior, or tough guy pose.

They are not inclined to be go-getters unless other aspects promise it. They are more likely to let others come to them, which they generally do, though it may take time. They are inclined to have but one relationship at a time, and are not into playing the field, even in youth. This position is a partial testimony to homosexuality, if only for the need for one strong relationship, and the tendency to accept what comes rather than to seek it out.

Usually, they are deeply religious, with a philosophy based on humanistic values. They are inclined to be somewhat passive and fatalistic. Often, there is an awareness of other levels of life, of life after death, or an ability to see beyond the veil. Also, there is an ability to see life in greater perspective than most, the grand panoply in which each has a part to play.

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