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rajji
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posted March 27, 2011 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive tried asking a few others but to no avail. I found an online Arabic Part Calculator. Now I want to find how to interpret them. Suppose my part of death is
Aries 11 degrees 58minutes.
How do I do progressions to arrive at that point??
Once I calculate all the parts, is there any specific arabic parts progression chart to put all parts into one singlr chart?
I would be glad if somebody could help me out.

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posted March 28, 2011 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd be curious to learn more myself.

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posted March 29, 2011 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't understand the question, Rajji... Like, what planet do you want to progress to different degrees in a sign?

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rajji
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posted March 30, 2011 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS yes a bit of that and others too.,,like to which planet should i progress it to and How will the year having the same degrees on the sign like aries 11degrees58minutes be known or arrived at?
Have you have you calculated your Arabic parts?
If so how did you do it?
I have never done progressions before, so im full of doubts.
Please bear with me...

Here is what i found..But i dont understand progressions.
Basically for A Equilibrium Chart has to be done...so the Lots or Parts were all derived from Equilibrium charts. So any formula with minus Sun in it was derived from the Solar Equilibrium chart, any formula with minus Moon in it was derived from the Lunar Equilibrium chart, any formula with minus Mercury was derived from the Mercury Equilibrium chart and so on.

These Points tend to show that the Arabians understood the value of the Solar Houses -- those based upon the Sun's degree as the Ascendant, thence erecting twelve Houses consisting of successive thirty degree arcs. If any Figure be revolved to the point where the Sun's degree is on the Ascendant, the Moon's position will coincide with the geocentric House position of Fortune; Mercury to the Point of Commerce; Venus to the Point of Love; and so on. Instead of revolving, the Figure the Arabians gave rules whereby these planetary House-positions could be inserted in a Figure based on a birth-moment. Thus the Scheme showed each planet in two House-positions: one based on its relation to a rising degree, the other on its relation to the Sun itself. Naturally the rules for computing these locations infer a knowledge of the correct birth-moment. However, it is incorrect to assume that these points cannot be utilized when the birth-moment is unknown. On the contrary, a Figure erected with Aries 0° as an Ascendant can be more comprehensively interpreted by the use of most of the Arabian Points than in perhaps any other way. The so-called Solar Equilibrium system is entirely based upon the Arabian concepts.


To find out your Arabic Parts without a known Ascendant (that is, the Time of Birth is not known), you have the option of constructing a chart cast with Aries 0° as an Ascendant and then proceed as follows:

Revolve the chart until the Sun's degree is on the Ascendant. Divide the chart into equal Houses of 30° from that degree.
The Moon's position is the Part of Fortune
Mercury's position is the Caduceus, the Point of Commerce
Venus' position is the Heart, the Point of Love
Mars' position is the Sword, of Point the Passion
Jupiter's position is the Pomegranate, the Point of Increase
Saturn's position is the Hour Glass, the Point of Fatality
Uranus' position is the Lightning Flash, the Point of Catastrophe
Neptune's position is the Trident, the Point of Treachery
Pluto's position is the Gavel, the Point of Organisation
Revolve the chart again until the Moon's degree is on the Ascendant.
The Sun's position is the Point of Spirit
Mercury's position is the Point of Faith
Venus' position is the Point of Female Children
Jupiter's position is the Point of Male Children
(Mars and Saturn have no relation under matters of the Moon)
Revolve the chart until the Point of the Spirit is on the Ascendant.
The Moon's position is the Point of Merchandise
Revolve the chart until the Moon's Dispositor (the Ruler of the Sign in which the Moon is posited) is on the Ascendant.
The Moon's position is the Point of Bondage
Revolve the chart until the Lunation or Full Moon next preceding the day of birth is on the Ascendant.
The Moon's position is the Point of Life
Revolve the chart again until Mercury is on the Ascendant.
The Moon's position is the Point of Servants
Mars' position is the Point of Understanding
Revolve the chart again until Venus is on the Ascendant.
The Moon's position is the Point of the Mother
Saturn's position is the Point of Husbandry
Revolve the chart again until Mars is on the Ascendant.
Venus' position is the Point of Plays
Jupiter's position is the Point of Discord
Revolve the chart again until Saturn is on the Ascendant.
The Sun's position is the Point of the Father
The Moon's position is the Point of Magistery and Possessions as well as the Point of Inheritance
Mars' position is the Point of Sickness
Jupiter's position is the Point of Brothers and Sisters
Cancer 15° is the Point of Journeys by Water

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posted March 30, 2011 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And also do we need any special astrological software for working on multiwheel equilibrium charts?
Again from what i found

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For those of you who have Solar Fire V5 or Deluxe, it is easy to see this clearly by creating an Equilibrium chart for the Sun, then the Moon and so on. The procedure is as follows:

Equilibrium charts can be emulated using "Multiwheel Superimposition" - which is included in Solar Fire v5 and Deluxe.

To do this
1) You must first have two separate copies of the chart to work with (you can use Chart / Edit / Copy & Edit to create an identical copy).
2) Display these two identical charts in a biwheel.
3) Use RH mouse click and choose "MultiWheel Superimposition", and set the following options

Superimposition type: By exact position of Selected Points
Superimposition options: Base point Ascendant. Superimposition point Sun (or Moon, Mercury etc depending upon which equilibrium chart you want to work with)
Click 'Display Superimposed Positions'
Then click OK

You will now see that the outer chart has been rotated so that the outer Sun is on the inner Ascendant, thus making the outer chart equivalent to the Solar Equilibrium chart. Note that you can change the Superimposition Point for any other planet or house cusp, thus creating any other type of equilibrium chart.

NB - Please remember to reselect Superimposition Type as "Zodiacal (Normal)" when you finish with working with Equilibrium charts. Otherwise all your future biwheels will remain superimposed when you don't want them to be.

So when you use the Solar Equlibrium chart you can clearly see that the position of the Moon in that chart marks the Part of Fortune, the position of Mercury marks the Part of Commerce, the position of Venus marks the Part of Love and so on - as explained in charmvirgo's post.

As you can see, there are literally thousands of Lots when you use each planet's equilibrium chart, but only a few are regularly used. However, all are valid Lots and if any coincide with a planetary degree in your natal chart, or if there are a large collection of them around a natal degree, they will be very powerful.

It is a good idea to print out the equilibrium charts for each planet and keep an eye on them for transits, progressions, directions etc., you can then get a clearer idea of how they work through real life observation.
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posted March 30, 2011 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php

Arabic parts calculator

And here is an example http://aliceportman.com/?p=1382

Some use harmonics too!

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rajji
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posted March 30, 2011 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another method seems to be the secondary progressed chart as one says-

I heard of the Arabic Parts as the planets' positions in the Secondary Chart, according to Carl Payne Tobey.

Carl Payne Tobey, Astrology of Inner Space, pgs 325-327
The Secondary Chart is just as vital as the Primary Chart and the ancients were employing it. How do I know this? They left six clues from which the rest of the chart could be computed but they gave these six clues rather romantic names which helped confuse everybody who encountered them.

Let me pause and explain how the Secondary Chart can be erected. It cannot be erected unless your birth time is accurately known, although an astrologer with ample experience ans skill might figure it out from personal appearance and events that occur in the individual's life.

First, have your natal of Primary Chart all drawn up before you. It must be drawn according to the ancients' system of equal houses, the zenith system. No other system will give you the right answers. Now have a blank chart ready so you can fill in the data for the Secondary Chart.

Now, measure the distance in degrees from the Sun in the chart to the Ascendant. Next, go an equal distance beyond the ascendant in the opposite direction. The degree you reach in that way will be the Secondary Ascendant. Put that figure on the Ascendant of the new chart you are drawing. Fill out the figures on the other cusps, as you would do in any equal-house or zenith chart.

Place your birth planets in this chart but not in the same zodiacal positions. They must hold the exact same house positions they hold in the Primary Chart. If the Moon is 18 degrees past the 5th cusp in the Primary Chart, place it at 18 degrees past the 5th cusp of the Secondary Chart. When you have progressed that far, adjust the lunar and planetary nodes in the same manner, to their new zodiacal positions.

You will find that this chart will explain many things that the Primary Chart could not explain, and these new positions seem every bit as sensitive to transits as the positions of the solar bodies in the Primary Chart.

You might look at this in another way. The results are exactly the same as had you you taken the original Primary Chart and twisted the zodiac the given number of degrees without moving the house cusps of the planetary positions.

I have given you the finished product without showing you how it developed. How do I know the ancients made use of this chart?

The ancients passed down a number of mathematical points or lines that they employed, giving them romantic names. There are many of these and I don't think some of them have any validity. In fact they may be of more recent origin like the unequal house cusps. I know a number of astrologers who have long lectured about them and in that way kept them alive but they never gave out any information about them that was useful to me. After you compute them, what do you do with them? I often asked questions of these lecturers but always got very Neptunian (nebulous) replies that meant nothing to me or anyone else I ever knew about.

Now Im utterly confused!!

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rajji
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posted March 30, 2011 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://aliceportman.com/?p=387
link about eqilibrium charts

Rules connected to use of Arabic Parts
1. A Part conjunct an angle or Planet is very strong

2. If the ruler of the Part aspects the Part, this increases its strength

3. If there are a cluster of Parts that are not derived from the same calculation, then this area of the chart is emphasised.

4. A Part is emphasised that has a planet in aspect to it that is part of the component in calculating the Part.

5. These rules also apply to Solar Arcs, Progressions and Transits.

For case studies based on Arabic Parts http://astrologicinsights.com/arabicparts.html

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Randall
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posted June 21, 2011 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good info.

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