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Author Topic:   Ophiuchus - thirteenth constellation
Sheaa Olein
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posted November 23, 2004 12:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I copied this over from 'Astrology' ~ I thought I paste it here for interest reference (if you don't mind lalalinda) I found it facinating;

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If you were born between the 1st and 15th of December then your star sign is not Sagittarius as you thought, but Ophiuchus. Ophiuchus is the thirteenth constellation through which the sun passes, and isn't included on astrological calendars!

The zodiac is a strip of sky where the sun, moon and most planets are found. Any star atlas will show the zodiac divided into 13 constellations of various sizes. The 13th constellation is Ophiuchus, between Scorpius and Sagittarius. Besides these 13, there are 75 more constellations covering the rest of the sky.

However, astrologers divide the zodiac into 12 equal parts, called signs. Each sign is named after a constellation - but there the resemblance ends. The signs in fact have little to do with the real sky, and are inventions of convenience. And Ophiuchus, which should be the 13th sign, plus the other 75 constellations, are simply left out.

Why the star signs do not match the sky: And if the 13th sign isn't alarming enough, the 12 zodiac signs you did know about don't match the actual positions of the constellations! The reason is that while the earth spins once in 24 hours, it also has other movements. Just like a spinning top, the earth has a slow wobble (called precession as it spins. Itís really slow - taking 26,000 years to do one wobble. This causes the Zodiac constellations to drift through the sky. The Egyptian and Greek astrologers 4,000 years ago chose signs that more-or-less matched the constellations. But today, because of precession, the moving constellations have left the signs far behind. Today they are seriously out of step (by about 1 sign).

Compare any astronomical star calendar with the zodiac one, and you'll see the following:


http://starsandcoffee.christian-astronomers.org/Print/zodiac.htm

Wow ~ I had no clue about this! See what happens when you Google 'Sagittarius'!

I skimmed over the article. What do you think about this lalalinda / everyone? Why was it left out?

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Some of my astro makeup modified thanks to a change of birth time:
Sun ~ Sagittarius
Moon ~ Cancer
Ascendant ~ Pisces
Mercury ~ Sagittarius
Venus ~ Scorpio

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LibraSparkle
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posted November 23, 2004 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So then what are you, Karen, Ophiuchus or Sagittarius?

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Sheaa Olein
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posted November 23, 2004 01:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh a Karenarius for sure! (29th Nov) I'd love to have been born between the 1 - 15th Dec, just so I can say; "Actually..I'm a Ophiuchus" !!

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An ancient constellation, representing a man encoiled by a serpent or snake. The Greeks identified the man as Aesculapius, doctor on board with the Argonauts. He became a mythical healer and forerunner of Hippocrates, with reputed powers including the ability to raise the dead. The serpent he holds is a symbol of this power, since snakes are seemingly reborn every year when they shed their skin.

I wonder why it was eliminated. Maybe they couldn't make up a picture to include a man encoiled by a snake on a ship with the Argonauts.. *geddit?* ..on board with the Argonauts.. ahhh I know, end of day bad joke *sigh*

Nitey nite hon

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lalalinda
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posted November 23, 2004 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting,
I too believe that every planet, star, etc. has a purpose or influence, they're not out there by mistake, certain rays/polarities at certain times, its not that far-fetched another intricate part of the puzzle.
Good Work Sheaa!

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posted January 19, 2005 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey! I'm so glad I found this! I was just reading about it the other day in a new astro book and at first I was waaaaaay skeptical, but after reading I thought, hey, this does sound like me. I don't know that I would go as far as to say that it makes me not a sag, because that's a lot like me, too. But here is some of the information I found:

People born under this sign are natuarally empathetic. They tend to see everything in terms of illness and health, and they focus on wellness in others and in themselves, both real ills and imagined. They have the potential to be great healers of the mind, body, and soul, and once they tap into this wealth of knowledge, they let go of the hypochondria.

They will learn this by learning to listen, which is quite an effort when you are a great talker like the serpent-bearer. People really respond to how the serpent bearer conveys information. She can speak to anyone on their level, with clarity and pithiness. She can know what to say to cast a light into the darkness, and can make a great therapist or astrologer.

Ophiucus is endowed with both healing and dramatic powers, and people born under this sign make great actors. They absorb characters as though they are an extension of themselves, and their natural empathy makes it easy for them to throw themselves into the drama with abandon. Sometimes they can empathize a little too well, and will take on the pain of others to their own detriment. They need to work out how much they can carry without burdening their souls to the point of collapse. This is not an easy lesson, as the serpent-bearer's natural impulse is to absorb pain.

Their kindness is often taken advantage of by more ruthless souls, but it is useless to tell them to stop being so naive, they expect to be taken advantage of every now and then.

Often they have some disturbance in their childhood and have an unusual upbringing like the mythical Asclepius. This may not be losing their mother, but some unusual circumstance that they had to grow and learn from. Their preoccupation with illness can lead them from wonder diet to magic potion, and they especially enjoy indulging in naturopathic healing and massage. They are always trying to get others to follow their lead-- they live by the creed that you have nothing without your health.

--from The Complete Book of Astrology, by Caitlin Johnstone

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This certainly rang true for me in many ways. I'd be interesting in hearing about others who were born during this time period. Thanks, Sheaa, for bringing this up! (Oh, and you may be interested in knowing that the dates my book gives are Nov 29-Dec 17)

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posted January 22, 2005 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump* for Sheaa

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posted January 22, 2005 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, I read the article, and at the bottom I hit the link to the "Zodiac Trap." It has always seemed to me, (and this article supports my concern) that those who wish to debunk astrology, especially as a proclaimed biblical evil, don't know anything about how it works. I don't mind reading an argument against astrology if the writer knows the subject. But many of them do not, and for those who do know anything about the subject, their arguments fall short of convincing.

The truth is, I am concerned about whether or not studying astrology is a sin (not that I am a "Christian," so to speak... I'm still trying to find my truth.) But so far the things I have read claim that astrology is a sin based on the false assumption that those who study astrology look only to astrology for guidance and believe everything they see without consulting their own higher self, thereby making them slaves to astrology. But I think that most people who know anything about the subject know that, as we hear frequently on the boards here, that the stars indicate, they do not compel. Many who judge those who practice astrology make no reference to or consideration for free will, which most of us feel is a huge part of the overall picture.

Just my two cents. Anyone else want to share?

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Sheaa Olein
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posted January 24, 2005 06:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear future,

Thank you for bumping this! How very cool - are Nov 29-Dec 17, huh? So I may be an Ophiuchus (the correct wording?) after all

Apologies for not getting back to you sooner, but have been so busy recently trying to find a new job and flat! I will read it through properly later on, thanks again,

Back soon,
S

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future_uncertain
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posted January 24, 2005 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay! I'm so glad you found me buried here! New job and flat, huh?! Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Hope things are going well for you. Take care!

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Sheaa Olein
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posted January 24, 2005 01:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi sweetie, thank you

It's good. Things were a bit rocky for a while, but it's all a biiiiiig learning curve! I've taken the positives and trying to move forward with that.

I have to go catch a train now, but will be back tomorrow!

Have a good day hon,
Sheaa

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posted January 24, 2005 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Sheaa Olein
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posted January 25, 2005 12:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow ~ that definition from The Complete Book of Astrology sure is amazing!! I related to pretty much all of that

Thanks for pointing out that book for me ~ one to get I think.

In regards to the practice of astrology. Just like when people ask, is my chart good or bad? I believe it is neither good or bad - it just is. Astrology speaks for itself, and intricately weaves in and out of our lives. Future I think you're spot on when you say;

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the stars indicate, they do not compel.

It exists - like lexigrams - all the information is there, it's just whether you choose to see it.

So interesting, Future - do you have the Complete Book of Astrology?

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posted January 26, 2005 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I have the book. I got lucky and found it on a discount table for six bucks. But don't let that fool you... it's really a very handy and thorough book. It defines aspects (not long definitions in most cases, but enough for the basics,) talks about houses and planetary placements, and for me, the most useful parts is that it gives a lot of information on how to read a chart by telling you what to look at first,etc. I've found it very helpful. If you get it you'll have to let me know what you think!

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Sheaa Olein
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posted January 28, 2005 12:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will, thank you hon

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Archer
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posted January 29, 2005 06:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi sheaa. the stars are like randomly arranged dots on a paper. u can join them anyway to make up a picture and call them constellation. the current 12 signs or zodiacal constellations have been accepted only after carefull study by many civilizations (greeks, mesopotamians, indians, egyptians, etc...) over a known period of 5000 years (human history streches millions of years and so this could be more). so we should stay with the current 12 signs as they also describe the characteristics of the embodiments very accurately more thanever before.

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Sheaa Olein
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posted February 01, 2005 01:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Archer,

What a great description you have there!
Yes I agree, studying a different format would induce all kinds of chaos I do find new information interesting though.

Take care,
Sheaa

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Archer
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posted February 02, 2005 12:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i like new info too. i'm so fast with new info that i leave behind what i'm doing with in present and shift to the new! typical sagittariu stuff.

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posted February 02, 2005 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Archer, are you a hypothetical Ophiuchus, too? (I feel like we have a secret club going here...)

*looks around to make sure no one's listening...*

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Archer
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posted February 02, 2005 09:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehe. 5the dec. so i think yes. me too.

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Sheaa Olein
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posted February 03, 2005 12:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*walks in slowly (on a horse/snake), looking around, issues Future and Archer with secret 'Ophiuchus' badges & paperwork - disappears on a magically suspended arrow (on the horse/snake)*

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Sheaa Olein
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posted February 03, 2005 12:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm.. interesting constellation dot-to-dot thing happening here for Ophiuchus;

Another one;

The site I got the last one from is interesting.

It shows the origins of the Cherubim symbol; http://www.mt.net/~watcher/newun.html

I love discovering new things!

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posted August 02, 2007 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaMammy08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wouldnt all the other signs change as well?? like a shorter time or some days change signs altogether???

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Yes i'm a capricorn with an aries moon and gemini rising. oh yea...

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posted August 03, 2007 12:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mia,

Yes, there are lots of problems about sticking in a 13th sign into the astrological Zodiac. I don't know of any astrologers who are trying to do this: 12 signs works for all the astrologers I know!

Working well,

Tim

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SattvicMoon
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posted August 03, 2007 10:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, we go back to the ageless question - Who am I?

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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