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phoeniX617
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posted April 14, 2012 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for phoeniX617     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
been seeing these forums when researching my own birth chart n just got the confidence to make an account. i just wanted to see if anyone with experience could point out anything interesting in my chart because all i know is what i could find on google i have sun and pluto in 3rd house scorpio 12 house moon in virgo and virgo rising
my sun is also at 0 degrees scorpio and my MC and IC are at 29 degrees Taurus and Scorpio

heres my birth chaart http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_2at_01_rd.72181.888.gif&res=100&va=&cid=7shfileTL51z8-u1328031706

any feedback would be appreciated

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sweet-scorpion
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posted April 14, 2012 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, one important thing right off the bat: you have your Sun at 0 degrees, which is critical. Here is more info about it.

One poster at Skyscript.co said of planets in zero degrees of a sign: "The first degree could be seen as a very extrovert, yang place for a planet where its energies are more likely to manifest openly." I very much agree with this. You have a lot to learn about how the sign Scorpio will play into your life, a very important part of your life. The Sun represents how we live and create. You are going to have a LOT of Scorpionic energy to give off in this life time, this can be both good and bad. Learn to reign it in. Planets in 0 degrees can be like hyperactive, open minded or genius kids. Sometimes they come up with the most astounding revelations and insights and can do great things... other times, they can be a little out of control and too wild, or not willing to listen. This is what you have to do with your sun: tame the wild aspects of it, while keeping the receptive energies. Scorpio is tough because it is traditionally described as the most intense sign of the zodiac. But it is manageable especially with age.

Having a 3rd house Sun is significant because the 3rd house rules Mercury, or how we think. A good portion of your life could be dedicated to creating mercurial things or participating in mercurial activities like writing, translating, or being an orator. Have you any interest in these areas?

What makes this all the more plausible to me is your Mercury conjuncts your Sun. This gives one Gemini qualities, and a lot of mental energy.

Having a 3rd house Pluto just reinforces the Scorpio sun here. You can't let it get too out of control. Maybe Pluto is your anchor here. It makes no stress aspects, only harmonious ones with Neptune and Jupiter. Here you are very choosey about what you reveal and express but you have a piercing, analytical mind. You use Scorpio's power to uncover truths in your pursuits, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were a journalist of some kind that dug up the dirt on crooked people or exposed events that needed to be shown to the public.

The MC/IC is also at the anaretic degree, the mystic 29th degree of astrology... some say it's good, others disagree. I've read it can just mean the sign it's in is exhausted a bit. I don't think you're illy fated by having it. It might be you could have multiple careers.

Hope this helped!

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phoeniX617
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posted April 14, 2012 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for phoeniX617     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks that was really good info, im very interested in writing its just finding something worth writing about thats hard but as far as an orator i hate public speaking, the analytical mind part is definitely true, i research everything and analyze everyone and every word of a situation and i am obsessed with finding the underlying reasons for things. i was also interested in hearing something about my venus in sag(read something about singletons and its my only planet in a fire sign) and my jupiter (exalted in cancer in the 11th house, opposite saturn uranus and neptune) and my saturn placement conjunct uranus and neptune.

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sweet-scorpion
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posted April 14, 2012 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by phoeniX617:
thanks that was really good info, im very interested in writing its just finding something worth writing about thats hard but as far as an orator i hate public speaking, the analytical mind part is definitely true, i research everything and analyze everyone and every word of a situation and i am obsessed with finding the underlying reasons for things. i was also interested in hearing something about my venus in sag(read something about singletons and its my only planet in a fire sign) and my jupiter (exalted in cancer in the 11th house, opposite saturn uranus and neptune) and my saturn placement conjunct uranus and neptune.

Having Venus in Sagittarius can be a bit difficult traditionally with love relationships. What aspects does your Venus make? To have your only fire planet in Venus does speak something of your love nature. It means you have an extra 'spark' when it comes to love, most likely. You pretty much have an even distribution of the other elements in your planets, so the Venus in a fire sign does stand out to me.

Venus aspects mercury harmoniously. With a sextile, I believe. When Venus and Mercury interact positively, this means when you speak you can speak with charm and tact. Maybe the inhibition of giving away too much with a 3rd house Pluto is softened by the speech you use when you reveal information. When the two are sextile you will find Venus influences the way you think, making you strive for Venusian qualities in your mercurial activities and speech. This could even mean you could end up writing for a fashion magazine, for example. Your Mercury is in house 2, after all... what you make for the world and yourself.

Ok, the Jupiter in the 11th house in Cancer receives intense stress aspects. Notice how prominent the red oppositional lines are. At the same time Jupiter gets a hand from a trine with Pluto, and I've read that such a connection means you are definitely interested in thinking about changing something very important, digging up the dirt on important things or analyzing something very important to you. Jupiter meets Pluto leads one to be more interested in thinking about things that are broad, like religion and how to change it, or society in general and how to change it. Having your 3rd house Pluto touch 11th house Jupiter means that you want to apply your Plutonian thinking into reforming society or revolutionizing something in some way. Maybe that's why you might feel frustrated at times with your thinking about WHAT exactly you want to do... Pluto wants to combust, and rebirth itself and whatever it touches. You have the drive to make a change in the outside world, I think? Since 11th house is Aquarian, about groups and the world at large.

Traditionally in astrology, Saturn and Uranus do not work well together. They co-rule the sign Aquarius and the 11th house. But with the conjunction between the two you are allowing the two frictional forces to work better together, and more harmoniously. It's a generational aspect, so it's not going to set you apart or make you extremely affected. But what it touches DOES make you affected. In this case, the Jupiter in the 11th house.

Ah, the stress aspects... our least favorite to discuss. But it has to be said. Jupiter opposite Uranus can lead to someone who is naively TOO into over-exapansion, with ideas that cannot always be put to use or made into something concrete. You could be too rebellious towards society or some social norm you dislike. With the opposition to Saturn, we have the possibility of one with low self-esteem, and someone who cannot get over the gloom of past failure or possible failure. You might go back and forth from believing in yourself and a hopeful future to thinking you're a loser and won't amount to much. What stands out to me is you have Saturn in the 5th house, which seems to put a damper on things for you. The 5th house, ruled by Leo, is where we have creative fun. Saturn here is the Old Man, and does not want to let loose and party. I'( So unfortunately this placement could make you feel like you are more inhibited in these 5th house areas. Also notice how your Jupiter is elevated directly above that. It seems the higher mind wants something the lower mind, the 5th house mentality, is not so keen on.

Finally, the opposition to Neptune says it can be a bit hard to follow up with what you promise. You could have trust issues as well. The planet Neptune is a weak point in our chart like Saturn can be. It can make us ongoing for what the house represents, or feeling like we are anxious about these matters too. So you might have problems dealing with these 5th house matters from Neptune too. You WANT to possibly find hope and prospects of merging with the group, aka the 11th house, but your Neptune might make you paranoid about this. Do you feel that way?

Hopefully that helped too.

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phoeniX617
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posted April 15, 2012 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for phoeniX617     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont think i couldve described myself better lol. Thanks for taking your time to reply.

I definitely do have an extra spark when it comes to love relationships, probably the only thing that i like to commit to. and i do have difficulties i think that my venus in sagittarius wants to expand through someone else but i have a strong feeling that most of my relationships are highly karmic and i actually do expand mentally and emotionally through them but its not in the way i picture it lol. Maybe Neptune gives me these ideals and im disappointed in the process and dont really appreciate the result until long after.

i dont tell anyone about my religious beliefs because of how strongly people react to the topic, my mercury and mars in libra dont wanna stir things up i guess? i was raised christian but i dont believe in a certain religion. i think my third house sun and pluto led me to research and find my own beliefs. i am also into spiritual expansion and try to change myself for the better which i guess might be the pluto and jupiter influences youre talking about. i wish i could change the world for the better but i dont know how. i think that maybe my mars in libra (in detriment) takes away most of my drive or something like that.

Im definitely rebellious against society and government but i tend to keep it to myself for the most part, and i do get great ideas of how everything would be better, but i dont know how i could ever implement a plan like that. The saturn in the 5th house definitely has an effect on me, i like to be alone or only with close friends sometimes, rather than go to a bar to socialize and im pretty bad at small talk. also i feel very critical of myself and dont even attempt to express my creative ability because i feel like i just cant even though i know really i could. and i hate being in the spot light or having me or my work criticized or analyzed by people. i think im too hard on myself because i know im really i good person but i can never truly be satisfied with myself. i know that saturn is the most dominant planet in my birth chart and i feel its affects in alot of areas of my life.

i have seen alot of different descirptions of aspects i have that say i can use my communication and perceptivity and charisma to help make changes around me that could be widespread. my aquarius north node in the 6th house actually supports that thought and i constantly feel the need to be with people but would rather be by myself then have to deal with what most people are concerned with. but i dont blame them i think that its just the way we have been manipulated to be. i feel like if i were to make a change it would be to bring people closer to the source of life within ourselves that we have all been separated from, and i often think of how things should be, but i dont know how to give structure to going about doing anything and i even find it hard for myself to use and understand most of my astrological unfluences in real life.

thanks again! im glad i decided to post here sorry for running on about myself i think its part of my quest i have to learn as much as i can about myself before i can change anything else!

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Ami Anne
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posted April 15, 2012 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am so glad you are here, Phoenix and decided to post. You did NOT talk too much about yourself. We have to start our journey with ourselves!

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sweet-scorpion
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posted April 16, 2012 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@phoeniX617

I am so glad you enjoyed the reading I did for you! I'm glad you found it was highly accurate as well.

Don't worry, you will be able to find peace in love one day. I am a Sagittarius rising and have a Moon-Uranus aspect, so trust me, I know how tough it can be to settle down in a stable relationship and give up the independence to roam freely... it has caused me many personal issues but these things will work themselves out over time. I totally understand what you mean too, about wanting to expand more in love relationships due to having the sign known for higher thinking and expansion in your Venus. It can be tricky, but with Sagittarius Venus we have to learn not to always rely on our partners to take us to greener pastures mentally or literally, you know?

Hmm, well yes Pluto in the 3rd tends to be extremely capable of intense analysis but the downfall of such a placement is clamming up or being too secretive about what you know or want to tell others and the world. Yes, Mercury and Mars in Libra will only add to this. Having these two personal planets in Libra will make you even more inclined to not give away too much from this Pluto placement, but in your case it's most likely because you don't want to cause many problems or hurt feelings, etc. etc. Right?

Saturn in the 5th is tough... it just takes the wind of your sails sometimes. Weirdly enough you have many similar placements to a close family member, and I was laughing when writing this interpretation for you because of how similar you both are. I'D They are very much like that too - that are very critical of their artistic abilities despite having once been a lovely artist years back. Their fear of doing something 'ugly' with their art has kept them from drawing for years! To avoid this you just need to apply the better part of Saturn, the old wisdom and insight, to this house... don't let it get you down. A person who is old struggles with a lack of fun and energy, but look at how much smarter and wiser they are.

That's an excellent spot for a NN. I think for you, that means you are destined to open up more and connect more with society, especially since it's in Aquarius.

You're welcome sweetie! It was no problem helping out. I'm glad you posted.

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