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FireMoon
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posted May 14, 2012 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are minor aspects such as the quincunx considered when determining if a planet is unaspected? Do aspects to the angles count?

Just wondering since the only aspects my mercury makes is quincunx mars and square MC. I'm able to organize my thoughts and express myself well through writing (probably not so much on these forums though lol, my energy is so drained by school that I come here more to vent and learn without putting a ton of time into what I write), but it's a lot more difficult for me to communicate in person, or in crowds, with people that I don't know well....

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sweet-scorpion
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posted May 14, 2012 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The quincunx actually does count. Because even though the two planets are technically 'inconjunct' they are still connected to one another in some way... the connection that they have is just unharvested.

The two planets are not at odds with one another sort of like opposition would make them, but they do not really know how to get along with one another equally. One usually reigns over the other and tries to suppress the other planet. For example, Saturn quincunx Moon will make the person feel they cannot express their emotions in a serious situation or that they must suppress them in order to take on their responsibilities.

So a planet can only be 'un-aspected' aka peregrine when it makes zero aspects like the square, sextile, conjunction, opposition, and technically the quincunx. Maybe I am wrong here, but I think that a quincunx technically DOES make your planet aspected in general, NOT peregrine. But to answer your other question, no, aspects to angles alone from a planet do not make it officially aspected. I have a peregrine Sun that makes a sextile my ASC but this does not make it aspected. Angles don't count.

I think the Mercury-Mars quincunx makes you very able to communicate as you said, but sometimes unexpectedly awkward when you actually have to verbally CONVEY something to another person. Maybe despite feeling rather confident of your mental abilities, you have a strange social anxiety about letting other people see this, or allowing yourself to show this to others naturally. Mars is our passion and our drive to act, so maybe your passion and instinct is incompatible with your mentality and what is Mercurial within you. This could be what causes you to suddenly feel cold, awkward or distant when communicating with other people.

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FireMoon
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posted May 14, 2012 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I think the Mercury-Mars quincunx makes you very able to communicate as you said, but sometimes unexpectedly awkward when you actually have to verbally CONVEY something to another person. Maybe despite feeling rather confident of your mental abilities, you have a strange social anxiety about letting other people see this, or allowing yourself to show this to others naturally. Mars is our passion and our drive to act, so maybe your passion and instinct is incompatible with your mentality and what is Mercurial within you. This could be what causes you to suddenly feel cold, awkward or distant when communicating with other people.


Thanks sweet-scorpion, that is EXACTLY how I feel in social situations. I live too much in my own head, and am usually over-analyzing all the details in any given situation and in peopleís interactions, but when it comes to actually giving my input on something I freeze up, or awkwardly mumble something incoherent even if I have valuable insight to offer. A lot of times people just dismiss me as space cadet, or just a shy and awkward person, because this is how I come off even though I know I could be capable of communicating with people in much more compotent ways. Then theyíre shocked to find out Iím double majoring and can actually have a decent sense of humor and interesting personality when I just let my guard down lol. Itís one of the ways I distance myself from people even when I really wish I could just shut off the restlessness of my mind and the inhibitions this causes and reach out on a more social/emotional level. Also, since I come off as being so passive and non-assertive, I end up taking on more responsibilities from people than Iím able to follow through on, which only leads to more frustration and problemsÖ

Thanks also for the clarification on the issue of a planet being ďunaspectedĒ, I couldnít find clear information on this online. I agree that even though the quincunx isnít considered a major aspect, it still creates a connection and outlet for that planet, even if it's a somewhat unstable connection...


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sweet-scorpion
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posted May 14, 2012 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Thanks sweet-scorpion, that is EXACTLY how I feel in social situations. I live too much in my own head, and am usually over-analyzing all the details in any given situation and in peopleís interactions, but when it comes to actually giving my input on something I freeze up, or awkwardly mumble something incoherent even if I have valuable insight to offer. A lot of times people just dismiss me as space cadet, or just a shy and awkward person, because this is how I come off even though I know I could be capable of communicating with people in much more compotent ways. Then theyíre shocked to find out Iím double majoring and can actually have a decent sense of humor and interesting personality when I just let my guard down lol. Itís one of the ways I distance myself from people even when I really wish I could just shut off the restlessness of my mind and the inhibitions this causes and reach out on a more social/emotional level. Also, since I come off as being so passive and non-assertive, I end up taking on more responsibilities from people than Iím able to follow through on, which only leads to more frustration and problemsÖ

Thanks also for the clarification on the issue of a planet being ďunaspectedĒ, I couldnít find clear information on this online. I agree that even though the quincunx isnít considered a major aspect, it still creates a connection and outlet for that planet, even if it's a somewhat unstable connection...


I'm happy I could help you and offer some insights here.

I think hard aspects between Mercury-Mars are definitely a challenge. I have the square and I can quickly abuse Martian energy with my communication; you unfortunately cannot channel Martian energy when you communicate. This is what leads people to think you are at a glance, shy and not very passionate in your speech. But when you can get past this initial hurdle, you can easily change their minds.

I love and hate my Mercury-Mars. I can have a terrible tantrum and bad nerves from it, with screaming matches and a lot of arguing that can quite often begin on my end when sometimes triggers something sensitive to me. But at the same time, it provides a valuable lesson to me, to learn how to use Martian energy for a passionate fuel instead of an enormous fire that consumes my mind. And you were faced with the same challenge, except with yours, you WANT to make the spark to start the enormous fire in your mind! You need to learn to integrate that Martian spark into your immediate communication, instead of keeping it deeply buried within for only yourself to see. You need to learn to channel Mars as a shield to a more passive Mercury to avoid feeling like people can take advantage of you based on how you express yourself.

You'll get there, don't worry. It might take time, but at least you recognize what needs to change. To me, this aspect is the one that screams 'lacking assertion'; i.e., the person who is prone to smiling awkwardly and remaining quiet while inside they doesn't know how to express themselves, and can actually get quite MAD about it. It's Mars combusting within the brain, angry it cannot be freed. Learning to stand up for yourself - even when it might seem inappropriate - will surprise you and invigorate you. You'll realize it ISN'T an inappropriate time, most of the time, to be assertive.

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depth
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posted May 18, 2012 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 5 traditional aspects are considered, i.e, Square, Trine, Sextile, Conjunction & Opposition.
You could increase the orbit for each.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 18, 2012 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For Unaspected planets, the Quincunx does not count. I have researched this quite a bit.

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sweet-scorpion
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posted May 18, 2012 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
For Unaspected planets, the Quincunx does not count. I have researched this quite a bit.


Really? 80 Thanks for sharing... I'm glad to know this for the future. I've just mislead the poor OP! Oh my. My bad.

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posted May 18, 2012 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Really? 80 Thanks for sharing... I'm glad to know this for the future. I've just mislead the poor OP! Oh my. My bad.


Well, in Astrology, there are differences with Astrologers. That is the same with any science and Astrology is a science. Most Astrologers do not count the quincunx towrd an unaspected planet. I have an unaspected venus so have studied quite a bit on it as an unaspected planet is a focus of any chart that has one.

If an astrologer disagrees, that is cool but I see it this way! x

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Kannon McAfee
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posted May 22, 2012 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Are minor aspects such as the quincunx considered when determining if a planet is unaspected? Do aspects to the angles count?

Just wondering since the only aspects my mercury makes is quincunx mars and square MC. I'm able to organize my thoughts and express myself well through writing (probably not so much on these forums though lol, my energy is so drained by school that I come here more to vent and learn without putting a ton of time into what I write), but it's a lot more difficult for me to communicate in person, or in crowds, with people that I don't know well....


Yes, the angles count. If your chart is set correctly where Mercury makes major aspects to the angles then you do not have a genuine condition of Mercury 'unaspected.' This is what was happening in Dr. Martin Luther King's chart, the greatest American orator of the 20th century.

Dr. King's chart:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/martin-luther-king-jr-validated-birth-chart/

This 'unaspected planet' idea has been way overblown, and in my experience: (1) most often does not actually exist as an actual condition of the planet, particularly since this term is defined without reference to declinations (parallel and contra-parallel aspects); (2) is a distortion since only 'major' aspects are counted as 'aspects', which were defined in Ptolemy's day (1,800 years ago) as only the conjunction, sextile, square, trine and opposition. This amounts to changing the goal posts in order to include many charts. Many modern astrologers consider the quincunx to be 'major', as do I, since it often accompanies death, accidents and injuries, among other things.

The quincunx aspect is the main focus of life lessons, particularly if joined with another in a yod.

If you are looking to astrology to explain why you have what you think is a particular weakness or problem, then you can find a theory in astrology to explain it. However, Geoffrey Dean, the astrologer who modernized theories of 'unaspected' planets said that their strength in the chart was increased, not decreased.

What you have described about yourself is simply introversion. You don't need a theory about a particular planet in your chart to explain this. I was like this when younger (before age 30). I could express myself in writing much better than speaking. Typical Virgo type. But I outgrew it. The writing helped me gather my confidence and develop my ability to communicate in all situations.

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posted May 22, 2012 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unaspected Uranus. I have 4 planets parallel it if I remember right.. No aspects to angles as well it seems..

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FireMoon
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posted June 02, 2012 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone for your responses, sorry itís taken me so long to come back to this thread, Iíve been out of the country and havenít been online the past couple of weeksÖ Itís good to hear the different perspectives on this, I suppose it just comes down to personal opinionÖ Iím still learning about the significance of unaspected planets in general so itís good to hear the different perspectivesÖ

Ami and depth, thanks for your input, this is what I found originally as well but itís hard to find clear information about it onlineÖ

sweet scorpion, No worries Iím glad for your feedback! As Ami said it just comes down to personal opinion

Sand, how do you feel that unaspected Uranus plays out in your life?

Kannonmcafee, Iím aware of what introversion is and understand that I donít need to point to a particular planet to explain it, my question was simply about which aspects count in determining if a planet is unaspected, which goes for all planets and wasnít meant to ďexplainĒ any aspect of my personality... I donít necessarily consider being introverted a problem or weakness, communication is just an area in life that is significant for me in both highly challenging and rewarding ways. Iím far from introverted when Iím comfortable in a situation, but it takes more time for me than most people to let my guard down. Writing on the other hand isnít just a way for me to organize my thoughts and gather my confidence so that I'm better able to express myself, itís also something I want to turn into a career. Academically (which is as far as my career pursuits have taken me since Iím still a student) itís definitely my strongest skill and one thing Iíve consistently gotten praise/recognition for so thereís a lot of irony there.

Obviously, my difficulties connecting with people in social settings have a lot more to do with the emotional barriers I built up early on than the aspects my mercury makes, and could actually be "explained" by various other placements in my chart if I was looking to justify any percieved weaknesses with astrological theory. But as I've learned to explore astrology as a reflection of life events, challenges, and potential opportunities, I was using my own mercury as an example in order to understand more about the role it plays since itís meaning has never resonated with me the way the significance of other personal planets have in my chartÖ

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Ami Anne
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posted June 02, 2012 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon
Are you saying an unaspected planet is super strong? Thanks.

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