posted May 29, 2012 06:18 PM            

This seems to be an omnipresent question. It may be said or left, unsaid. The song by Maria Mena, “Just Hold Me”, seems to haunt all of us, but the 12th House Planet natives know it, deeply. Others may feel raw and amorphous, but the 12th House person swims in it, struggling not to go under, to the bottom of the sea, as did Sedna. The 12th House experience is very different than any other. They are the demi aliens living among us. They are the poets and the artists. If they do not write and sing from their pain, they have special gifts with which to use their sensitivity. They can go into a hospice and hold the hand of a dying patient. They know the next dimension.If Mother Teresa was not a 12th House person, her work was.

To define the problem is fine, but that slithers around the answer. What is one to do? The first step seems to truly acknowledge your 12th House Planets:to study them in depth. Know who you are, as you cannot run. They are part of you. Only a Higher Authority knows why some charts are harder than others. That answer is unknowable.However, God has given us our personal maps:the astrological charts. Hence, for the 12th House person, he must understand who he is. He must try not to be ashamed of how he is different. He cannot bear an itchy sweater, while another sign could wear it all day. Hence, the first step is to stop trying to be like others: non 12th House people.

Then, one must find someone to whom one can tell the pain, as there will be valleys of sorrow. I don’t know how the sorrow came. It came differently for different people, but the 12th House person carries it. He may seem as if he does not. He may smile or swagger, but it is there. A sensitive person can pick it up. The 12th House person is holding a wound, just as real as a solider holding a war wound, trying to constrict it so as to stop the bleeding.The 12th House person feels set apart from others. The hardest part of all this is finding a person who can bear the pain with you, and not try to fix. You know all the fix’s. You have tried them all, to no avail. That is part of the omnipresent hopelessness which is part of the existence for a 12th House person.

The 12th House person tends to depression. Much of this is the internal isolation. Finding a person who will help you bear your sorrow will help. The hardest part for the other person is to resist the urge to fix, mitigate or make better in any way.It cannot be made better.It can only be released. That is the best way another person can help. They need to shut their mouths and let you cry. It sounds so easy, but few people can do it. You may be surprised, but it is true. Alice Miller brought the concept of the Enlightened Witness to the fore. Actually, if society was not so isolated, the EW may have been an aunt or a grandparent, in days past, when the family was closer. Now, intimacy is rare. Intimacy is one of the cures for 12th House planets. However, intimacy is a problem on it’s own, as the native has to be vulnerable. How can one be vulnerable when there is so much pain that the touch of another may be like fire? This is the conundrum.

God takes relationships very seriously, as He made Adam so He, Himself, would have a friend. As complete as God was, He wanted someone with whom to share. That is an amazing concept, but highlights the importance of relationships. As flawed as we are, there is nothing as special as someone seeing you. Intimacy is “In-To-Me-See”. How hard it is for us to, even, see ourselves, let alone show oneself to another. The 12th House person has more miles to go in the process of seeing himself, as it is harder for him. He wants to run away. He may get into addictions, as addictions are pain killers. The addictions may take him down. They may take him to the bottom of himself, or the bottom of life, itself, into death. The 12th House person cannot escape himself. Others have tried. I have more to say on this subject, but will take a break, as the last thing I want to do is give platitudes on a subject which has had platitudes thrown at it until it wants to vomit.

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posted May 29, 2012 06:19 PM            

I was thinking about this, in terms of my chart. I have Ruler of the 5th in the 12th.I lost a child. The 5th is the House of Children.It’s Ruler travels to the 12th, the House of Sorrow, as was it’s old name. Does anyone have a House Ruler in the 12th House? If so, please tell me from which House it came and what you have experienced. This would apply to people with 12th House planets, only.

A lovely woman in one of my Astrology Study Groups allowed me to use her name and to bring you part of her story, related to the Ruler of the 5th House in the 12th House. Gisele Matthews is her name . Here is what she wrote: You know, the ruler of my 5th is in the 12th which is why I chose to never have children.. I did have two abortions when I was in my early 20′s. I had to have them, as I was on heavy medication at the time that would have caused a deformed fetus. And yes, it was very sad

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posted May 29, 2012 06:19 PM            

I have been haunted by a song. What is the song trying to say? Why is it so haunting? To what does it speak? I think it is a 12th House song. The 12th House hurts so badly, because the person yearns, but cannot seem to get what he yearns for. It seems he cannot act in his own behalf. He swims in the waters of Pisces, wanting and yearning, yet not being able to make his dreams become reality. That seems to be the legacy of 12th house planets.I seem to be doing many charts with 12th house planets.How does one put in to words, the feeling of living in an alternate reality? Non 12th House people do not understand. The 12th House person is a sort of alien. He feels things more deeply. He feels pain more deeply. Rejection hits him deeper. In that sense, he is living in a world within a world. Music can speak where words fail. Does this song speak to your 12th House reality? It speaks to mine.

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posted May 31, 2012 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by v82787:
wow..that is some depressing stuff! I cant believe I have mercury in my 12th house. Thats definitely something im going to have to read up on!

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Sorry to depress you, Sweetie. You just have one planet there. Mercury may not be as hard as some others. I don't think it is imo. Venus and the Moon are very hard in the 12th.

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posted July 19, 2012 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by affy:
Isn't it possible that having Mercury in the 12th would make expressing your true opinions difficult? I speak that out of my own experience

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posted July 19, 2012 08:13 PM            

Sun: ruler of my 4th house (no issues to report)
Venus: co-ruler of my 5th and 6th house (some issues with romance and health)
Mercury: Ruler of my 1st house & co-ruler of 6th (I do have trouble speaking my mind, I don't like conflict so tend to just brush things off)
Mars: Co-ruler of 11th & 12th house (no issues to report)

Is it possible that although one might have the ruling planets of houses in their 12th house, other aspect in the chart may work to either enhance or buffer the 'negative' effects?

posted August 09, 2012 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by PaulAqua:
Venus House XII romance doesn't go well getting hurt all the time

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Yes, that would be hard

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posted September 02, 2012 10:32 AM            

I have Mars in Leo close to the division of the 11th and 12th houses, but I got to the conclusion it behaves as a 12th house Mars. I have aries in the 7th.

I am a (very) begginner in this but from what I just read here, this Mars placement works harmoniously with the rest of the chart to contribute to some issues in the relationship area: I have pluto cjt ascendant in libra square venus, sun, moon, mercury, moon cjt saturn, chiron in the 7th squase sun and opposition to uranus in libra.

posted September 02, 2012 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by flowerpower:
Hi All,

I have Mars in Leo close to the division of the 11th and 12th houses, but I got to the conclusion it behaves as a 12th house Mars. I have aries in the 7th.

I am a (very) begginner in this but from what I just read here, this Mars placement works harmoniously with the rest of the chart to contribute to some issues in the relationship area: I have pluto cjt ascendant in libra square venus, sun, moon, mercury, moon cjt saturn, chiron in the 7th squase sun and opposition to uranus in libra.

Is this really a strong influence ?

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Please, ask your question, again, as I am not following lol

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posted September 02, 2012 01:46 PM            

Or I may be reading this in a negative way :-)