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posted October 06, 2013 09:07 AM            

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What makes a chart a "failure" chart in Horary? I know if the ASC is within the last 3 degrees it puts the chart up for consideration but other factors will determine if it is useless or not. I think Saturn in the 1st house is also a sign.

Also, when do you move from one significator to the next? For example I just asked about myself in a horary chart and my chart ruler was Venus. When would we look at the Moon significator, if at all?

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posted October 06, 2013 01:44 PM            

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Well I don't call them "failures". Just that are a few factors that make the chart hard to read or invalid. Yes, Saturn in the 1st is one, it shows the querent is distorting the question with too much anxiety. Saturn in the 7th is also invalid, the 7th house is the house of "other" and considered also of the astrologer (don't ask me why they don't count the 9th coz I don't know! lol), Saturn in the house of the astrologer is said to give wrongful predictions because the astrologer has a distorted view. Exceptions to those rules are when Saturn is one of the significators or an important player in the story (like an ex - Saturn can indicate an ex often).
Asc too early or too late are, again, factors that tell you to read with caution and many consider those charts unreadable. It means the matter is still up in the air and many things can change (Asc too early) or already done with and nothing can change anymore (Asc too late). Horary is very action-oriented so when things aren't happening, it's bad. However, in descriptive type of questions, this matters little - like how will my future husband be like? In this type of questions, the Asc may very well be early, if you have not met him, but it does not invalidate the chart. You're also not looking at aspects - since you didn't ask when you'll meet or how your interaction would be like (smooth or tense). All you need to look at is the ruler of DC to answer the q.

Moon VOC (void of course) is another invalidating factor. It is similar to Asc too late. The exception to this rule is when Moon has essential dignity and applies out of sign, it is not VOC anymore.

Moon in Via Combusta - personally I don't think it makes a chart unreadable, however it does ring an alarm bell in my head.

Those would be it. However, many times I think these rules were made up as an excuse to ditch requests. I think if one really, really, REALLY wanted to read the chart, you could still extract a decent amount of details from it.

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posted October 06, 2013 01:50 PM            

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As for significators.. I suppose it's different with each reader. I view Moon mostly as "the situation", although I often attribute it to the querent, too. I strongly dislike having N planets for each person and then pairing them up! I sometimes don't even go for the Asc/DC rulers as significators. Sometimes I take Venus for the woman and Sun for the man.

I have no rule of thumb for that. I read intuitively, and I'm not the type of reader that would quote the page and paragraph of the rule the chart broke. I think rules are good, but each chart and each situation is different. You have to find the planets that tell the story. If you've broken up with someone and you see your significator Venus separating from, say, Saturn, then your ex is Saturn and not Mars, most likely, even though Mars rules the DC. Know what I mean? The planets speak, they tell a story, that is what you need to look for. That's how you know you attributed the right significators - when they back up known facts. So pay attention to separating aspects.

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posted October 07, 2013 12:26 AM            

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See I think my problem is / was I was trying to interpret everything at an expert level except it so does not work that way if you don't have all the pieces!

What's the difference between Moon VOC and Combusta?

Also, let's use my most recent horary chart (side note: I didn't know you could ask open ended questions to horary) my ASC was in Pisces, which makes my ruler Jupiter. Jupiter was in the 8th (or 5th? I don't know, I don't think it will be pertinent to the question) house and trine Saturn, but didn't make any aspect to Mercury (who was ruling the 7th house, but in the 8th) However, my MOON conjuncted Mercury.

So, in that respect can we forget Jupiter and go with the Moon since it is applying towards the chart ruler? Or do we have to use both as one interpretation?

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posted October 07, 2013 12:35 AM            

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Via Combusta is from Libra 15 to Scorpio 15.

Moon VOC is when it does not perfect any applying Ptolemaic aspect to another planet before leaving the sign.

If Moon conjuncted Mercury, was the aspect applying or separating? If applying, it is a favorable outcome.
And yes, you can use Moon as your significator. I would use Jupiter as descriptive for you and Moon for the action you can take to make things happen. (Moon is faster so you would have to approach Mercury)

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posted October 07, 2013 11:48 AM            

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^ Oh I thought conjuncting was a positive aspect and meant it was applying?

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posted October 07, 2013 12:53 PM            

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It is positive, but if the aspect is separating it can show a missed opportunity or the last contact, while if it's applying, it means you will soon be coming together!

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posted October 07, 2013 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
It is positive, but if the aspect is separating it can show a missed opportunity or the last contact, while if it's applying, it means you will soon be coming together!

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You knew my question somewhat, huh? Lol. Okay good to know. I wasn't sure if to count the Moon aspect or how to interpret it since Jupiter is my significator first and foremost. I suppose if it is trine Saturn that could indicate I am in a serious state of mind, or that I learned my lesson/ am learning it?

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posted October 13, 2013 03:26 PM            

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Yes.

Also, you *can* count the Moon, but keep it as backup. lol Don't go running to Moon without thoroughly analyzing the main sig.

I am glad more people are getting into horary. Unfortunately my head has been somewhere else and I wasn't able to follow your threads in PR. But from what I can see, you're off to a great start!!

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