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astra7
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posted December 07, 2014 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I am parting my money with someone I don't know, I tend to do a preliminery test by contacting them first via email. It might be a question on paying method or simply if they are not too busy to do reading right now etc. Fair?

You will be surprised how many so called professional astrologers who don't reply! Those one goes into the bin.

Then, the next bad apple, one that has no compassion or ability to think what others might be going through. For example, I tried one of well known astrologers in Serbia and he was totally self-centered even though I was the paying client! I am having a short-term memory problem and my university gave me a dictaphone even so that I can listen to lectures again. Anyway, I asked if I could record the conversation and he said I can take a note. I don't have an ability to concentrate listening to conversation and make tons of note. That says it all.

So far, I've not come across very good astrolgers.

What's your list of astrolgers to avoid?

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posted December 08, 2014 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shyberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh gosh. why do people do this? you seek help, but they just make you feel worse!!

any astrologer that says you're "cursed" (a lot of "psychics" say this too) and you're doomed to a life of woe and misery because of chart aspects and placements are an automatic no-no on my list

you're supposed to work and help remedy these things not make your client fall into a deeper pit of despair

that's what high school's for.

does this sound familiar? i'm talking about these vedic astrologers who have no compassion in their heart yes, random vedic astrologer with the outdated looking website from the late 90's...i AM going to become a criminal and master thief because saturn is in its fall.

i contemplated buying a reading because it wasn't expensive and the store owner seemed kind. but when i read the reviews, all she did was copy and paste interpretations from her website...

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posted December 09, 2014 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since many are bad, what about a list of good ones?

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astra7
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posted December 09, 2014 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Since many are bad, what about a list of good ones?

This was shocking for me to know this since I don't tend to go around thinking majority of people are bad at first and specially something like astrology, I thought people were more interested in the subject because they are spiritually striving to evolve. Obviously, not the case.

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posted December 10, 2014 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randall:
[b]Since many are bad, what about a list of good ones?


This was shocking for me to know this since I don't tend to go around thinking majority of people are bad at first and specially something like astrology, I thought people were more interested in the subject because they are spiritually striving to evolve. Obviously, not the case.[/B][/QUOTE]

I feel you and people should always be polite but lets keep in mind as well that this is their career and how they pay the bills and doing readings can be very draining and time consuming; people don't realize this so astrologers I imagine have to prioritize who they help so they can manage their time effectively; not to mention that who knows what issues they are dealing with in their own lives but yes they should always be polite when refusing to do something and understand that they may lose a customer if they don't accommodate; keep in mind there is not one business out there who will satisfy all customers 100%, there will always be some customers that will not come back even if overall they have a great rep and most customers are very happy, its hard to satisfy everyone.

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posted December 10, 2014 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Since many are bad, what about a list of good ones?

Great idea..

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posted December 11, 2014 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Professionals follow this unwritten rule: if within 5 minutes of any reading (astro, psychic, card, tea leaves, etc) you happen to be dissatisfied you are entitled to a complete refund. I don't know if there is some kind across the board rule for written reports, but I know several astrologers who offer money back satisfaction guaranteed.

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Ami Anne
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posted December 12, 2014 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If anyone comes to me and tells me they have had problems with many other people, I refer them on. That is a major warning sign to me of someone who will NEVER be satisfied

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posted December 12, 2014 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't mind if anyone wanted to start another thread about good astrologers but the reason why I started this particular thread was that if nobody recognised what the problems are, how will anyone improve? In psychology, to recover, the first step is to realise that there is a problem. It seems that this is somewhat a taboo subject but I have no problem in making a conversation about it since my 8th house is powered by pluto conjunction!

Also, if general concesus is 'most astrolgers are bad', don't you think it's time that image should be changed by revising one's professional attitude?

Ethic and privacy is another one.
The astrologer I mentioned in my OP was unkind by refusing my request to record the conversation, yet he wanted to use my birthchart in his new book! I thought to myself, bloody cheek!! I think if he's been nice to me, I might have suggested a work around but I said NO because I wasn't feeling very generous knowing what kind of astrologer he was.


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posted December 12, 2014 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If anyone comes to me and tells me they have had problems with many other people, I refer them on. That is a major warning sign to me of someone who will NEVER be satisfied



Well, I won't be requesting a reading from you then Ami.

But my point isn't even about how proficient/acurate the astrologer is. I understand that there are astrologers of many levels though I wouldn't be so happy if someone gave me a chart analysis with cut & pasted texts from a cookbook if they were advertising as custom reading. It's common sense.

But I understand there are astrologers who just want an easy reading. When will they learn anything new then? Well, life is never the same like uniformally shaped M&M.


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posted December 12, 2014 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I won't do a reading on someone who presents like that to me lol

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posted December 12, 2014 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I won't do a reading on someone who presents like that to me lol



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posted December 12, 2014 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had one guy who presented as everyone ripped him off and he could not find anyone good.

This guy was the biggest pain I EVER encountered.

Then, I have people who do minor complaining and I won't take them either

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posted December 13, 2014 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Digging deeper?

A majority of people come for a reading because they've got a problem in one area or another.

But thanks for your demonstration.

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posted December 13, 2014 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NOT complain about their own lives but complain that they don't trust people, have been screwed over again and again by dishonest or incompetent people, don't think asteroids are valid etc--that kind of complaining.

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posted December 13, 2014 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hand pick my clients. This is not my living and so I am free from those material constraints.

I love doing charts and if I get the sense, in any way, that the person is not going to have a wonderful learning and enriching time with me, I will, politely, tell the person I am not the right person for them.

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posted December 13, 2014 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
NOT complain about their own lives but complain that they don't trust people, have been screwed over again and again by dishonest or incompetent people, don't think asteroids are valid etc--that kind of complaining.



tbh, if someone chose an astrologer who is keen on asteroids and complain, seems lame to me. They should have found out prior to the reading what kind of astrology the astrologer specializes in e.g. midpoints, solar arc, traditional etc.

Fair enough if they don't complain about their life but in a sense they are by complaining about inability to trust people so wouldn't that be an astrologer's job to look into the chart and see where the stressful aspects and point it out to your clients?

Ami you have been focusing on bad clinets so far but the thread is about bad astrologers so what is your view on this? There aren't bad astrologers? lol

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posted December 13, 2014 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fair enough if they don't complain about their life but in a sense they are by complaining about inability to trust people so wouldn't that be an astrologer's job to look into the chart and see where the stressful aspects and point it out to your clients?

NO because they will turn on you, too LOL

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posted December 13, 2014 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't really know of bad astrologers. For me, I would scope out HOW the person communicates.

I would scope out the basic values of the person and then I would ask for a reading based on my sense of them.

My main thing is that I hate anything fake. I want to hear the truth and I want to hear it clearly.

If the person can't/won't do that, they are not for me.

I do that for my clients so I am very beloved by most people.

For the ones who want something fake, they can find someone else lol


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posted December 13, 2014 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like Astrologers who give many, many possible interpretations for things. I like someone who will tell it as he sees it and in a simple way that is easy to understand.

I am friends with another Astrologer, Ron King. I love how he writes because you can understand it.

I don't like Liz Greene, at all. I cannot plow through her.

I love Howard Sasportas because he is very clear and easy to understand and makes it practical.

Hence, I would not go to Liz Greene for a reading. I, actually, bought one of hers and it was a virtual waste.

Some people may like her because she is well known and some people must resonate with her.

For me, it was a complete waste of money, so the person needs to find the person with whom he can relate would be the simple answer to your question.

I realized why I am so passionate about being direct and being easy to understand( I hope)

When I was in grad school. I took one course with the densest book. It made no sense but it was written in a very esoteric manner.

I was sooooo angry to be subjected to that. I said that if I ever did anything it would be clear, accessible and easy to understand.

That is my personal commitment to all that I do in Astrology.

The other day i wanted to see what some other Astrologers were saying about Nessus.

It was sooo dense. I could not understand it. It was like the grad school book.

I would never go to an Astrologer who would write like that lol

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posted December 19, 2014 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Since many are bad, what about a list of good ones?

iQ

Go to iQ!!!!! You will not regret it.

Astrological genius. And witty, and compassionate! I could keep going but what more could you want?

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posted January 08, 2015 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I second iQ. He's amazing. And very kind. He knows his stuff.

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posted January 14, 2015 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What's your list of astrolgers to avoid?

I don't find Liz Greene's interpretations helpful, so I personally avoid paying for her reports and other material. But she is a well known astrologer, not a scam artist - so it's up to you.
What bothers me is that - a lot of her writtings point out difficulties and problem areas (sometimes tactlessly) and then offer no solutions or help for the problems identified.

It's like paying a psychologist to tell you everything that is wrong with you and with your relationships - and offering you no self-improvement advice. Not mentioning the underlying attitude that ... well... actually... you "can't" improve at all, since this is your chart.
You were born with all the horrible afflictions Liz Greene will point out to you and you will always have them

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posted February 15, 2015 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for themischievousone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by deepseablues:
iQ

Go to iQ!!!!! You will not regret it.

Astrological genius. And witty, and compassionate! I could keep going but what more could you want?


iQ is great! I only did a career asteroid one with him so far but I have been thinking about getting another one recently.

My bf also requested a career asteroid one after he saw my reading. His response - "Did you tell him what I was going to school for?" I responded with Nope, just your bday info.

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posted February 18, 2015 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:
Ethic and privacy is another one.
The astrologer I mentioned in my OP was unkind by refusing my request to record the conversation, yet he wanted to use my birthchart in his new book! I thought to myself, bloody cheek!! I think if he's been nice to me, I might have suggested a work around but I said NO because I wasn't feeling very generous knowing what kind of astrologer he was.

I think this is the key here. You have to find an astrologer that you can connect with and also trust. There a lot of a frauds out there who will readily take your cash and tell you what you simply want to hear instead of providing helpful and constructive information.

Psychics and astrologers worth their weight in gold will never turn a client down unless the connection or energy is bad. Anyone who turns you away due to difficulty of your request or previous struggle to connect to a reader is too self-interested and fixed minded. When you only take on clients because they won't challenge or make you grow, then you will never improve your skills. The more diverse your clientele, the more diverse your skill set will become.

I would also (as OP is doing) get a background check on an astrologer by searching reviews and asking people their first-hand experiences with people. It is too easy to be taken advantage of, some astrologers will even lie about their background just to exploit people. You might want to consider the Psychic thread in PR, although it is mostly psychics there are some that are astrologers and the people in the thread really give you honest opinions-even state if predictions panned out or not.

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