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Topic: Synastry and Comp reading please - will they marry?
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Astro keen
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posted May 20, 2014 07:16 AM
  
I am posting my son's charts - these two amazing young people are considering marriage, but I'm uncertain if this relationship will go the distance. Could someone please offer interpretations. Thank you.They were born 2 months apart, hence many conjunctions. My son is in blue.
A few key composite aspects:
Sun sextile Moon (0)/ conj Mercury (0)/ semi sext Venus (0)
Moon sext Mercury (0)/ square Venus (1)
Saturn sext Sun (2)/ conj Moon/Vesta (1)/ sext Mercury (1)/ square Venus (2)/ semi sext Juno (0) NN quin Destinn (0), trine Asc (0)
SN conj Alma (0)/ Union (2)/Amor (1)
No aspects with Valentine, except for semi-sext Neptune and conj IC (a little wide?)
The sabian for the Comp Asc is amusing:
(VIRGO 12°): AFTER THE WEDDING, THE GROOM SNATCHES THE VEIL AWAY FROM HIS BRIDE.
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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 20, 2014 09:53 AM
Both 12th house people, this should reinforce their connection. Not many angle love house ruler connections, except for DSC ruler conjunct 5th house ruler, your son activates the 5th house for the girl with his Uranus there on her Uranus on cusp. I see a lot of 6th house involved with the rulers, do they work together or planning to open a business or so? Or perhaps they are home-loving people with those 2nd/4th overlay? also, strong friendship vibe with the 3rd overlay, venus on 3rd cusp, moon on 3rd cusp and 11th involving rulers.
It is a little bit crowded with no major opposition which means transits hit in full blow.
The strong points of the synastry, apart from what you mentioned:
moon saturn connection
moon moon
a possible Venus Mars DW with a novile, you must check orbs, a combination major/minor aspect is a good one, showing affinity both on physical and subtle levels between female/male energies, man's Mars sextile woman's Venus is good enough per se, combined with Moon sextile Venus
Mars Saturn DW, with the square a bit wide but given the whole configuration, I would count it here, a good aspect for long term commitment which involves the Moons too, so it's practically a Moon Saturn Mars DW.
Kite Sun Neptune MC with apex on IC or MC (for your son) a good config involving angles, an idealization hint in tune with the aspects to 11th house rulers.
Juno/Amor in 1st, Juno on IC Union with Pluto
Sun/Alma, Moon Alma Valentine, Moon destinn Karma stellium on Amor Valentine Vesta stelliumIn the composite: still no opp
chart/MC ruler (the proactive, future oriented angles) closely conjunct Sun, its disp, in 1st house in close sextile with Moon Vesta and Saturn: an harmonious, committed partnership of equal forces, 3rd house emphasis kept
GT Juno Pallas Vesta - the woman is held dear in this partnership, also Vesta involved in a closed pattern is good for long term
Eros right on ASC compensates for the 8th house ruler in 12th
Venus rules 3rd, their house of choice and intercepted 9th, it is in 12th, but well positioned IMO because in close semisextile with its dispositor in 1st, the Sun, which will bring anything hidden into the 1st, as communication, in connection to Venus ruling 3rd. Good luck and all my best wishes to the couple!  IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted May 20, 2014 10:53 AM
the chart (synastry one) indicates friendship more than a long-term romance. they both have 12th house planets which would build simpatico, as would the shared moon sign in scorpio. in general libras and leos make for good matches, but the problem would be - imo - her leo stellium. all of her major planets are not aspected by any conjunction and/or opposition to his. the conjunctions are actually poor, imo, because they are to outer planets and not the "big 5." being born within a few months/close to one another leads to those types of conjunctions (outer planets), which aren't as binding. assuming you have the times right the overlays don't really support marriage; nothing overlaying the 5th/7th/8th for either person. it strikes me that it'd be a better friendship and/or business partnership than a loving romance, but the leo person especially, and the libra too, both love romance so it'd be hard for them to see reality.IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted May 20, 2014 11:04 AM
Thank you LeeLoo. You're fab! Huge sigh of relief at my end.I tried other asteroids in their charts and found that the girl has Logos on her ASC exact, conjunct my son's Logos (due to closeness in birth times). She has Sun on Regulus at 29 Leo. They both have Wisdom conjunct Spirit in their respective natals. Sounds good. According to iQ -"One of my favorite Asteroids. I feel it shows us how we feel about Christ Consciousness or how we choose to connect to the Highest level of Divinity accessible in Human form from Earth. Some of the most wonderful human beings are born with Sun, moon or Ascendant conjunct Logos." How nice!
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Astro keen
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posted May 20, 2014 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by starmoon:
the chart (synastry one) indicates friendship more than a long-term romance. they both have 12th house planets which would build simpatico, as would the shared moon sign in scorpio. in general libras and leos make for good matches, but the problem would be - imo - her leo stellium. all of her major planets are not aspected by any conjunction and/or opposition to his. the conjunctions are actually poor, imo, because they are to outer planets and not the "big 5." being born within a few months/close to one another leads to those types of conjunctions (outer planets), which aren't as binding. assuming you have the times right the overlays don't really support marriage; nothing overlaying the 5th/7th/8th for either person. it strikes me that it'd be a better friendship and/or business partnership than a loving romance, but the leo person especially, and the libra too, both love romance so it'd be hard for them to see reality.
Thank you Starmoon. Yes, they do seem to have a good friendship, but could this form the basis of a marriage? Could Eros on the comp Asc and many aspects with Amor compensate, as well as the Mars/Venus DW? @ LeeLoo, the Mars Venus DW - sextile versus semi-square with a 1 deg orb as you said. No business interests - they are a home loving people. IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted May 20, 2014 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Thank you Starmoon. Yes, they do seem to have a good friendship, but could this form the basis of a marriage? Could Eros on the comp Asc and many aspects with Amor compensate, as well as the Mars/Venus DW?
everyone has a different view of asteroids and their importance, but i don't think it's necessary to go beyond major personal planets and house overlays to find what is or is not marriage material and/or great synastry. you can dig and dig through everything until you find something you think is important, but if it a strong bond isn't indicated from the major planets it won't be found with a single asteroid connection. think of asteroids as supporting players that help support synastry and add something to the overall picture. asteroids in and of themselves won't generate romance, but can support something already present in a chart, or show why it won't come to fruition. it's just my view; the chart shows friendship and home-life, but not a long-term love/marriage. but friendship is a great foundation for anything IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 20, 2014 01:44 PM
I fully agree with both starmoon's posts, regarding asteroids and the basic nature of this connection and everything else. But some people do need friendship to form long-lasting bonds and their 12th house placements probably don't make them your typical Libra Leo; if it works for them, this 3rd house/6th house combo...it will probably work for a long time. They're the ones who know better and they must live their story as it is.IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted May 20, 2014 01:52 PM
Thank you both. You have been very helpful. I like the basic sense of a good partnership and relationship - whichever form that might take. These two are good for each other and that is good to know. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 24, 2014 09:53 PM
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IndigoDirae
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posted May 25, 2014 02:11 AM
Maybe it's just me, but:JUNO conjunct ISIS
OSIRIS conjunct JUNO There's SUCH a sense of complement there. It's really quite beautiful. And they're both EROS conjunct ASC? Wow. PSYCHE conjunct PALLAS
EROS conjunct MERCURY As Pallas is a higher octave of Mercury in many ways. There's a lot of these very significant linkages which show completion and complement. What orbs am I looking at, AstroK? IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted May 25, 2014 04:05 AM
Indigo,I am delighted that you saw this! Synastry
His chart:
Isis ---- Sco 1.45
Juno -- Sco 3.34
Osiris - Sco 15.20
Union - Sco 15.25
Psyche –- Gem 20° 22' Hers:
Mercury –- Leo 13°31
Eros –----Leo 17°48
Isis ----- Lib 8.28
Juno ---- Lib 15°51'
Osiris –--- Lib 22°24'
Union ----Sco 0°29'
Psyche ---Gem 10°54
Pallas –--- Gem 15° 2' The orbs are too wide for Psyche/Pallas, Juno/Osiris. This configuration is nice:
His Moon (Sco 21.4), Alma (Sco 21.19) / Her Valentine (Sco 22°50)
His Valentine (Sag 8.7) / Her Karma (Sag 10°18')
Would like to hear your thoughts on the long termness of this match. IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted May 25, 2014 09:42 PM
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Astro keen
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posted August 24, 2014 01:04 PM
I asked iQ for a reading which I'll post here soon. Should make for a good exchange of viewpoints. But would love to hear from some of the other wonderful astrologers first. IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted August 24, 2014 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Would like to hear your thoughts on the long termness of this match.
I like the DW Moon conj. Saturn for long termness. It also shows the possibility of a past life connection. But a Leo Sun/AC and Libra Sun/AC with a shared Moon sign should be a very good match in any case. IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted August 24, 2014 02:13 PM
Thanks Vajra. The synastry also shows a lot of concord due to the close birth date. I was wondering how much of the complementarity is due to that fact - so many love asteroids fairly close together, as well as conjunctions between outer planets. IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted August 24, 2014 02:42 PM
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Vajra
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posted August 24, 2014 02:56 PM
Astro keen, there's something amiss here. Did iQ have other data than the data you used to generate the chart you posted? Because in the chart you posted in this thread, he doesn't have a Cancer Moon in her 11th house, it's a Scorp Moon in her 4th house. And her Sun falls in his 11th house, not his 12th. His Sun is not conjunct her Amor and Juno, but it is conjunct Osiris…. and so on. I didn't check everything but there's lots of things that are clearly very different. So there must be some sort of mix-up here, I'm afraid….
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Astro keen
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posted August 24, 2014 03:00 PM
Vajra,iQ used the equal house system instead of placidus. This often results in a shift. Will post their synastry using equal houses in a moment. Let's see. IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted August 24, 2014 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Vajra,iQ used the equal house system intend of placidus. This often results in a shift. Will post their synastry using equal houses in a moment. Let's see.
I know, I took that into account. It's still the 11th house. Judging from the different Moon position and the Sun-Juno-Amor conjunction he saw it appears that he used data for a birthday about 10 days prior to the one you used to generate the chart. The question is, which one is correct? IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted August 24, 2014 03:12 PM
The DOB I sent to him was the same that i used. Must go back and check with him. Thanks for spotting the discrepancies. I hadn't checked the equal house chart and you're right the Sun is still in 11th. EDIT: I found out that it was indeed ME who had supplied iQ with the wrong birth date for my son. A simple mistype! IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted August 24, 2014 03:18 PM
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The DOB I sent to him was the same that i used. No mistake there. Must go back and check with him. Weird!! Thanks for spotting the discrepancies. I hadn't checked the equal house chart and you're right the Sun is still in 11th.
You're welcome. Mix-ups can happen so easily. I once typed in "1081" for the birth year instead of 1981, and wondered why the reading didn't fit the guy in question at all. Only then did I notice that Pluto hasn't been in Pisces for an awfully long time IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted August 24, 2014 03:30 PM
I'll delete the report for now. And post the new one when I have it. This may result in an improved composite .The interpretations are helpful for those aspects nonetheless, even if they don't apply to the people in question. IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted August 24, 2014 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
I'll delete the report for now. And post the new one when I have it. This may result in an improved composite .The interpretations are helpful for those aspects nonetheless, even if they don't apply to the people in question.
Yes, definitely. By the way, I am by no means an expert on composites, but it doesn't look bad at all to me. Eros exactly on the AC, Sun conj. Chart ruler in the 1st house sextile Moon conj. Saturn, and a stellium of Union/Amor/Alma on the South Node - what's not to like? IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted August 24, 2014 03:44 PM
This goes to show that one really needs to be more careful checking readings. I must admit to feeling anxious about the composite - as these two do intend to marry. It was to do with Nessus which isn't showing in the charts here.Perhaps also a good lesson about not allowing readings to mar your enthusiasm or optimism. That is what is called a self-fulfilling prophecy. IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted August 24, 2014 04:09 PM
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Perhaps also a good lesson about not allowing readings to mar your enthusiasm or optimism. That is what is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Exactly! Actually I always try to use astrology in a sort of constructive or problem-solving way, that is, retroactively, in order to understand a connection or situation better, rather than trying to determine beforehand how something might or might not work out. There are so very many ways a chart might manifest, it's so easy to overlook something. And it also depends very much on the way people decide to handle things, using their own free will. Have you ever heard the saying, the chart of a Saint is meaningless? It means that a realized being would have transcended any negative influences and would therefore not be bound by them any more. Pretty much says it all, don't you think? For the same reason I have all but stopped giving transit readings. Many people cannot handle them too well and start expecting all kinds of scary things and this can indeed become a self-fulfilling prophecy... Never underestimate the power of suggestion. IP: Logged |
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