posted May 30, 2014 10:09 AM              

Here are the major geometric aspect patterns:
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/figures-composed-aspects.php

How does this work?

You have a trine - the other brings a planet/major asteroid/angle to make a Grand Trine for you
You have a Grand Trine - the other makes a Kite for you
You have a Minor Triangle - the other makes a Kite for you, by forming a Grand Trine with your Minor Triangle trine
You have a square - the other makes a T-square for you
You have a T-square - the other makes a Grand Cross for you
You have an opposition - the other makes a Wedge (or Supportive Triangle as I like to call it) for you
You have a Wedge - the other makes a Mystic Rectangle for you
You have a Mystic Rectangle - the other makes a House (or Castle or Envelope - astrologers have different denominations for this one - called Seer in the below images) for you
You have a quincunx - the other makes a Yod for you
You have a sextile - the other makes a Yod for you
You have a Yod - the other brings the release planet for your Yod, forming a Boomerang

and the list can continue with more complicated geometric patterns, such as the Star of David - for example you have a Kite, the other brings two more planets to form the Star of David for you.

There is a difference between 1. open patterns and 2. closed patterns (closed geometric figures)
For example the T-square, when somebody brings one planet to your isolated square, although it is a fully closed geometric pattern (a square triangle), in astrological terms it's still an open pattern - it strives towards the other end of the triangle, to form a Grand Cross, like a bow shooting an arrow at the opposite end, thus creating a tension in need of release.

On the other hand, the astrological closed patterns:

Grand Trine
Kite
Grand Cross
Mystic Rectangle
Boomerang

become in a synastry a stable energetic structure, where all planets work together (when the two people get together) and they are synchronized in their activation.

Most people are highly attracted to the ones who complete their geometric patterns for them, especially the closed ones. The closed geometric patterns thus formed in a synastry are not only a great attraction factor, but also a compatibility factor and create a stable, long term partnership.
The more negative effect of a closed pattern formed in synastry is that the completed structure (hence the relationship) is hard to break, it is somehow unavoidable, magnetic.

A significant relationship with long-term potential will most likely have at least one pattern completion by the other.

The effect is stronger - and here is where the soulmate factor comes in - when the pattern completion is mutual (for example, they complete each other's isolated trines, or they reciprocally turn their T-squares into Grand Crosses))

Cafe Astrology:

You Complete Me: Grand Trines in Synastry

In our experience, one of the most powerful indicators of special relationships occurs when a simple trine in one person's natal chart is effectively turned into a Grand Trine by another person's planet(s), particularly when it involves personal planets. For example, in one person's chart, Mars is in the early degrees of Sagittarius and trines the Moon in the early degrees of Aries. A planet in the early degrees of Leo would form a Grand Trine in this native's chart, but doesn't exist. Her partner's Sun fills this pattern, as it is in the early degrees of Leo. This powerful connection is especially potent when it is reciprocated. A special bond exists between the natives.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/soulmateastrology.html

Some closed patterns are more exciting, tense, action-oriented and very hard to break (such as the Grand Cross), others are more pleasant, flowing, warm and comfortable, but also complacent (such as the Grand Trine), but we will try to explore more in-depth each major synastric geometric pattern.

Here are some links about geometric patterns:

http://www.angelfire.com/journal/GregoryJdeMontfort/AspectPatternsConfigurations.htm http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004976.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum33/HTML/000152.html

posted May 30, 2014 10:23 AM            

Aspects:

His venus- 9' Taurus
My Jupiter- 11' Virgo
His Jupiter- 12' Scorpio
My Uranus and NN- 11' Capricorn

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The Kite on the other hand is more dynamic in its manifestation as it introduces the combined Grand and Minor trine to the conflicts or polarisation of opposition. Here, the paths of natural release are signified by the houses of the planets at the end of the ‘cross-piece’. The opposition provides the energy or impetus needed for the great potential of the Grand Trine to be realised. The kite will manifest itself primarily through the planet in opposition to one vertex and in sextile to the two others and will have its greatest effect in the house of that planet.

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Again.. I wonder why I'm the one who is more affected by this. If I understood it correctly, it's his Jupiter being bombarded by all the dynamic energy.

posted May 30, 2014 10:32 AM              

Been also thinking bout that, esp. the Grand trine in synastry.
While I agree with you in terms of attraction and completion with these closed patterns, I also been thinking about how it might signify that the partner consider themselves a tight unit, maybe even defensive to the outer world, they do not need anyone else. And noone really gets "in".

posted May 30, 2014 11:00 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Been also thinking bout that, esp. the Grand trine in synastry.
While I agree with you in terms of attraction and completion with these closed patterns, I also been thinking about how it might signify that the partner consider themselves a tight unit, maybe even defensive to the outer world, they do not need anyone else. And noone really gets "in".

In terms of a natal chart that can bring up some issues, however in terms of relationships this might actually be the source of that feeling of having met the ONE. (however depending what planets are involved, might also lead to codependancy and an inability to "break out" or "break up". But that would only be the shadow side to a feeling of completeness I suppose)

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Thank you, Ceri, I've been wanting to do this one for a long time. Yes, I totally agree, some of the structures could bring a definitive sense of "extra-closeness" with positive side: great intimacy, bonding and completeness; and negative side: a closed, rather impenetrable cell.

And there is a definite feeling of "hard to break", "hard to get out" associated with these structures (especially the Grand Cross), which is the more negative side of feeling so completed by another. It remains to be established if important relationships that are not exactly easy and desirable have these aspects as well or if they really create a general positive development in the long run.

posted May 30, 2014 11:19 AM            

I have a t-wedge in my chart. I'll look again to see if anything forms a complete, closed pattern with it.

posted May 30, 2014 11:30 AM              

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Originally posted by Lunae:
^Wow, and I thought there were only a few handful of those patterns! I see most of them all the time but I didn't think they were as significant as the popularly known patterns.. didn't even know they had names, too.

I have a t-wedge in my chart. I'll look again to see if anything forms a complete, closed pattern with it.

ETA: My t-wedge becomes t-wedges when combined with his planets, His wedge becomes a mystic rectangle when combined with my planets. Wow.

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posted May 30, 2014 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That's awesome. What are the planets/signs/houses involved for the Mystic Rectangle?

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His planets (wedge):

Venus 9' Taurus
Saturn 8' Pisces
Jupiter 12' Scorpio

The planet that completes the rectangle:

posted May 30, 2014 12:04 PM              

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Originally posted by Lunae:
His planets (wedge):

Venus 9' Taurus
Saturn 8' Pisces
Jupiter 12' Scorpio

The planet that completes the rectangle:

Jupiter 11' Virgo

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posted May 30, 2014 12:21 PM            

My Mars Gemini 14'07
My Moon Leo 13'24
My Venus Libra 14'24
His Uranus Saggitarius 13'32
His Venus Pisces 14'34
My ASC Virgo 13'39

Then i think it is also significant to mention that both of our Karmas add to this pattern as well... I mean - my Karma at Pisces 14, his Karma at Virgo 13!

This is by far my most important relationship in terms of soul connection and closeness. And despite the fact that we are just friends, he will always be there for me, helping me with everything, even if i don't ask. I have moved forward with my feelings for him (i still do love him), but i am so happy and grateful to have him in my life, even if just as a good and reliable friend...

posted May 30, 2014 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

And the houses?

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Oh, sorry!

His houses:

11H Venus falls in my 11H
8H Saturn falls in my 9H
4H Jupiter falls in my 5H

posted May 30, 2014 01:01 PM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
In my most important synastry - with my soulmate Mr.Uranus, we have a diamond pattern (distorted pentagram)

My Mars Gemini 14'07
My Moon Leo 13'24
My Venus Libra 14'24
His Uranus Saggitarius 13'32
His Venus Pisces 14'34
My ASC Virgo 13'39

Then i think it is also significant to mention that both of our Karmas add to this pattern as well... I mean - my Karma at Pisces 14, his Karma at Virgo 13!

This is by far my most important relationship in terms of soul connection and closeness. And despite the fact that we are just friends, he will always be there for me, helping me with everything, even if i don't ask. I have moved forward with my feelings for him (i still do love him), but i am so happy and grateful to have him in my life, even if just as a good and reliable friend...

So this Diamond pattern consists of my Mars, Moon, Venus and his Venus and URANUS. I think it really shows the fact why Uranus in this case is binding, because we became so close in no time. Now we're friend for about a year and a half, but we mean a lot to each other, as if we knew each other for ages. And we did, we were married in our last past life together.

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This is a very interesting, complex and fated pattern, thank you for posting it, Selene.

You basically have two interconnected Wedges, forming a trapezoidal structure glued to a T-square, thus forming a Yod. In this case, the oppositions would play a major role, with the Yod release as a possible result. The whole thing would have a Grand Cross as a skeleton.

I would appreciate it if you could post the actual configuration in your synastry and we could attempt an interpretation. For this, you need to save your synastry with the option "draw no aspect lines" (to the right of Additional objects menu) - you can use asteroids if you want as well - and then draw the actual structure, for example with the help of an online tool like LunaPic.

posted May 30, 2014 01:15 PM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
It would feel like heaven if the planets involved are Angles rulers. *sigh*

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posted May 30, 2014 01:38 PM              

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Um, the mystic rectangle can't be seen because his planets makes 3 out of 5 aspects.. but it's there.

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Oh, yes I can see the Kite, and the explanation for what you asked is that it's not exactly a romantic one. He has a Venus/Jupiter on 10th/4th axis with Venus and Sun in 10th, he is probably a popular, expansive person or career oriented, with either a big family or a large group of friends or real estate interests and success, possibly later in life. With all those outer planets, Jupiter included, you bring two supportive "handles" to the Kite, but he;s basically running the show, so to speak, because he is the opposition. You support him in his endeavors on the 10th/4th axis, it would be a very good aspect if you were married or in a business partnership.

posted May 30, 2014 01:56 PM            

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You have a Yod - the other brings the release planet for your Yod, forming a Boomerang

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Person A
Venus trine Mars
Mars trine Saturn

Person B
Mars trine Jupiter
Mars trine Saturn

in synastry
A Venus trine B Mars
A Venus trine B Jupiter
A Venus trine B Saturn
A Mars trine B Jupiter
A Mars trine B Saturn
A Jupiter trine B Saturn
A Saturn trine B Saturn (if 6 degrees count)

Both people get 7 GTs, right?

posted May 30, 2014 02:01 PM            

person B
Sun trine Pluto

in synastry
B Sun trine A Moon by 7 deg, is this orb acceptable?

And could a Descendant build a grand trine?

posted May 30, 2014 02:09 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]You have a Yod - the other brings the release planet for your Yod, forming a Boomerang

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I mean, a planet/major asteroid/angle opposing the apex - that's where the release point is, the whole thing looks like a Stone age arrow tip (the Boomerang)

The angles are of great importance as part of patterns, yes, maybe even more than planets. Because then the whole configuration will sit on an angle.

Yes to those GTs and yes to wider orbs allowed (especially with Sun-Moon) - we look from above with geometry, sometimes we can also use conjunction midpoints, if a pattern needs just that to become complete.

Pictures would be nice (I mean the configurations)

posted May 30, 2014 02:17 PM            

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The angles are of great importance as part of patterns, yes, maybe even more than planets. Because then the whole configuration will sit on an angle.

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Astro doesn't even show aspect lines to the angles in natal, weird.

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Pictures would be nice (I mean the configurations)

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Anyway, what do you think about such an amount of GTs in synastry? Is it very beneficial?

I'm gonna continue digging.

posted May 30, 2014 02:18 PM              

What I mean is the pattern would be even more compelling if the planets involved are angles rulers. Maybe that would feel like having an angle in that configuration?

posted May 30, 2014 02:25 PM            

Tulipe, just stuff yourself with sweets

posted May 30, 2014 02:40 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
What about one person's ASC exactly opposite another person's apex?

Astro doesn't even show aspect lines to the angles in natal, weird.

[QUOTE]Pictures would be nice (I mean the configurations)

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Hm this means the DSC is the apex of the Yod, right? Then ASC is the release: the partnership favors the ASC/DSC person a lot, theoretically. He is the star of the configuration, the beneficiary.

Astro shows aspect lines to angles (if you keep only planets, not to crowd the picture) if you click "aspect lines to all"

Yes, definitely beneficial.

Pictures? I mean this:

I would appreciate it if you could post the actual configuration in your synastry and we could attempt an interpretation. For this, you need to save your synastry with the option "draw no aspect lines" (to the right of Additional objects menu) - you can use asteroids if you want as well - and then draw the actual structure, for example with the help of an online tool like LunaPic.

posted May 30, 2014 02:44 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Lol, some more goodies: A NN trine B Jupiter and Saturn.

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Is that your synastry with Chris? That sounds juicy.

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Tulipe, just stuff yourself with sweets

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Good idea! I'll attack dried fruits.