posted June 14, 2014 01:29 PM            

To cut a long story short I have been doing a lot of soul searching over the last couple of years mainly caused by a connection with someone I think is a twin flame.

I met this supposed twin flame a long time ago and the connection has stayed with me ever since and quite honestly made me feel like I must be losing my mind. Just recently I've decided to accept that this guy may or may not be a twin flame but the connection is significant anyhow and it's changed who I am as a person. In other words I've accepted it but let it go. There is no point in trying to figure it out any longer. I'm just grateful for the experience.

As soon as I got into this frame of mind an old flame pops back into my life after 18 years! He was my first boyfriend when I was 12.
To be honest I've never really spared him a thought since I was 13 or 14. I can't say we had a deep connection or if we did I wasn't aware of it.
But now I'm looking at pictures of him and realise he looks like a darker version of my twin, his personality is so similar and we have an awful lot in common.

I'm not sure what to make of it all but I feel very drawn to him and it's really surprised me. I would love to hear your impressions of these charts.

His TOB is unknown.
I'm on the inside.

posted June 14, 2014 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Are you the outside person?

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Nope I'm on the inside.

posted June 14, 2014 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
This is a great friendship connection IMO.....Great chemistry as friends or for career goals; someone you can work on common goals and dreams with; business partnership type of relationship.......

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What aspects would indicate common career goals, friendship or a business relationship?

posted June 14, 2014 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
We would make a great couple, hearbeat!

I see affection, smooth affection and you 2 can spend a day with your heads up in the clouds Wonderful

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Me and you Enneline? Ok I'm game

Thanks for the insight. It would be great if you could expand on what aspects you think would work well. I presume moon-venus is good and having sun and moon signs compatible? If there's anything I'm missing let me know

What do you think of the Saturn-Pluto connection though? It worries me slightly but then again I never have synastry without a Saturn connection.

posted June 14, 2014 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wow. VENUS, MARS, PSYCHE and EROS. Very nice!

I'd be interested in the 'supposed Twin Flame', as I've become rather adept at confirming or denying those by composite.

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posted June 14, 2014 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wow. VENUS, MARS, PSYCHE and EROS. Very nice!

I'd be interested in the 'supposed Twin Flame', as I've become rather adept at confirming or denying those by composite.

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Hi Indigo,

I'm delighted to get your opinion on this. I've looked up each aspect and referred to my books but it's great to get insight from someone who understands how to read a chart as a whole.

I would love if you had time to look at my charts of me and this supposed twin flame. I've kept up with most of your threads about twin flames and also learned a lot from Ceridwen and LeeLoo's posts. From what I have learned I'm not sure if the guy in question really is a twin flame as I don't think our aspects compare to the aspects I've seen talked about in regards to twin flame connections.

However, this really is the strongest connection I've ever felt with someone and I have met enough soul mates to be able to compare.

Anyhow here are our charts

posted June 14, 2014 11:36 PM            

Add in:

ISIS (42)
OSIRIS (1923)
ALMA (390)

posted June 15, 2014 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Hi, Heartsong. I'm so glad I can provide you some insight. There are a few major markers that we've seen appear too consistently to be coincidental or insignificant.

Add in:

ISIS (42)
OSIRIS (1923)
ALMA (390)

And let's see where we are then.

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posted June 15, 2014 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Heartsong11:
What aspects would indicate common career goals, friendship or a business relationship?

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Hi

I just read you don't know his time of birth so that would change this analysis if his birth time is incorrect.

In composite you have a packed 11th and 10th house and having a few houses in the 11th I think is very nice but when most houses fall in the 11th that defines the relationship and puts it in friendship mode if synastry does not clearly point otherwise although this kind of friendship can be more meaningful than your typical friendships. In addition so many planets in the 10th which rules career, public image and purpose for which several of those planets land in scorpio which rules joint finances if the time of birth is correct this would be ideal for a power couple or a friendship combined with a business partnership that perhaps involves travel abroad bc of sag also been in your composite 10th house.

But the composite is not the main reason why I arrived at this conclusion, is a combo of the synastry and composite. If the synastry looked different I would have said something else completely.

Your venus and mars in libra do not conjunct or trine his venus conjunct neptune in late degrees of sag nor his mars in cap.

You DC is not touched by any of his planets and neither is your IC so this is unlikely to evolve into a romantic committed relationship. I do see his Eros conjuncts your AC and this would lead to attraction but without the venus and mars aspecting each other only so much attraction would be generated by this..

His AC, IC and DC are also not touched by your planets at least not by conjunction, perhaps your venus and mars trine his AC...

Your sun and his Sun don't aspect nor his Sun aspect your moon or your sun aspect his moon but your moon might square his moon:

Moon square Moon:
"It is more difficult for the two of you to be in sync with each other because of this aspect. When one is up, the other may be down, or one of you is a night person while the other is an early bird. Timing can be tricky, and it will take some adjustment to find a way to relate and reduce frustrations. Certain habits or idiosyncrasies of your partner can be almost unbearable for you. With time, patience and love, each of you can modify the most offensive irritants, and the rest will simply have to be tolerated if you plan to share a residence."

However, bc of the composite you will feel good around one another and like I said have a truly great friendship and possibly even business partnership but to me this synastry does not scream twin flame. I dont know if Indigo thinks composite is the primary teller of TF but I disagree. The synastry is the first thing you look at. I can have a great composite and be missing key factors in synastry and the relationship will only go so far......

For example I have a very nice composite with a coworker and we have great conversations and can talk for hours but our synastry does not touch my IC, DC or AC nor do I touch his DC, AC, or IC nor do our venus and mars aspect each other etc...

Perhaps if his birth time changes the synastry would be better, IDK but you should find out his birth time.

posted June 15, 2014 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Hi

I just read you don't know his time of birth so that would change this analysis if his birth time is incorrect.

In composite you have a packed 11th and 10th house and having a few houses in the 11th I think is very nice but when most houses fall in the 11th that defines the relationship and puts it in friendship mode if synastry does not clearly point otherwise although this kind of friendship can be more meaningful than your typical friendships. In addition so many planets in the 10th which rules career, public image and purpose for which several of those planets land in scorpio which rules joint finances if the time of birth is correct this would be ideal for a power couple or a friendship combined with a business partnership that perhaps involves travel abroad bc of sag also been in your composite 10th house.

But the composite is not the main reason why I arrived at this conclusion, is a combo of the synastry and composite. If the synastry looked different I would have said something else completely.

Your venus and mars in libra do not conjunct or trine his venus conjunct neptune in late degrees of sag nor his mars in cap.

You DC is not touched by any of his planets and neither is your IC so this is unlikely to evolve into a romantic committed relationship. I do see his Eros conjuncts your AC and this would lead to attraction but without the venus and mars aspecting each other only so much attraction would be generated by this..

His AC, IC and DC are also not touched by your planets at least not by conjunction, perhaps your venus and mars trine his AC...

Your sun and his Sun don't aspect nor his Sun aspect your moon or your sun aspect his moon but your moon might square his moon:

Moon square Moon:
"It is more difficult for the two of you to be in sync with each other because of this aspect. When one is up, the other may be down, or one of you is a night person while the other is an early bird. Timing can be tricky, and it will take some adjustment to find a way to relate and reduce frustrations. Certain habits or idiosyncrasies of your partner can be almost unbearable for you. With time, patience and love, each of you can modify the most offensive irritants, and the rest will simply have to be tolerated if you plan to share a residence."

However, bc of the composite you will feel good around one another and like I said have a truly great friendship and possibly even business partnership but to me this synastry does not scream twin flame. I dont know if Indigo thinks composite is the primary teller of TF but I disagree. The synastry is the first thing you look at. I can have a great composite and be missing key factors in synastry and the relationship will only go so far......

For example I have a very nice composite with a coworker and we have great conversations and can talk for hours but our synastry does not touch my IC, DC or AC nor do I touch his DC, AC, or IC nor do our venus and mars aspect each other etc...

Perhaps if his birth time changes the synastry would be better, IDK but you should find out his birth time.

I do see he could have an impact on the direction of your life bc of the composite MC and 10th house and perhaps that is why he feels important bc MC is prominent in both your synastry and composite.

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Thanks for taking the time for this in depth analysis. It helps a lot

I think there may be some confusion though as the first charts I posted are of a "childhood sweetheart" and the second charts of someone I thought of as a twin flame.

I see some aspects you've described apply to first guy and some to the second guy.

Did you interpret both or mistake the charts as being for the same person? The second guy's ("twin flame") time of birth is correct (give or take a few minutes) but I don't have a TOB for the first guy I posted about . Sorry about the confusion :/

With the first guy our suns and moons do aspect each other.

We have sun sextile moon 1°
Sun semisquare moon
And moons conjunct but wide at 6°.

Also it's the first guys Juno that conjuncts my Asc and the second guy's Eros on my Asc.

Me and this childhood sweetheart (first guy) also have pluto conjunct venus but 5° which I know is wide. Would you count this Amelia?

Seeing as I don't have the TOB for guy number 1 I don't know about the angels but I understand what you're saying. His planets aren't touching my angels anyhow even if mine are touching his anyway.

We also have Juno square Juno
My Venus trine his Juno
His Venus square my Juno
My moon opposite his Juno 1°
My moon conjunct his Venus 0°

Could these be considered romantic aspects?

Seeing as I don't have to correct time of birth for this childhood sweetheart I don't know if we really do have a packed 10th and 11th housein the composite. I just like the planets which conjunct in this composite.

With the "twin flame" the TOB is correct so yes there is a packed 10th and 11th which I always thought was a good thing. Although I see what you mean I think. There is a lack of planets in the romantic houses?

Also both guys have Venus conjunct Neptune in Sag so not sure which charts you're referring to. Both have this conjunction in the late degrees of Sag so I guess it doesn't make a difference which one you're referring to lol. But I do have venus conjunct Neptune with both guys within 1° and I would have thought this was a big attraction factor seeing as they both also have this aspect natally?

Also twin flame guy has his Mars in Cap whereas the childhood sweetheart has his Mars right on the cusp of Cap and Aqua. Not sure if that makes a difference to your interpretation though.

I'll post our aspects just in case it's confusing

Childhood sweetheart:

Twin Flame Guy:

Thanks for the great break down Amelia. I think I got a good picture from what you described for both guys

I can't really tell what sort of connection I have with this returning childhood ex because I would have to get to know him now as a person as I'm sure he's not the same person he was when he was 12. Or at least I hope not lol.
But it's great to have an idea of what our Synastry is like anyhow.

In regards to this twin flame guy I just don't know what it's all about. It's been going for 8 years and I cannot shake the connection at all. But when I started looking into Astrology to find answers I didn't really get anything that confirms a twin flame connection. And you've enlightened me more now so I guess I'll just accept the whole thing as a significant connection twin flame or not.

posted June 15, 2014 01:49 PM            

I dont think the second guy is your TF bc of the synastry with him.

As for your comment about their natal venus/neptune conjuction it conjuncts your neptune tightly yes and that is nice but that is generational so I would need to see soem venus/mars synastry aspects to consider the generational planets aspects to venus or mars.

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As for your childhood sweetheart I like the synastry you have with him more..

The moon conjunct venus is very nice.

His Juno and Lilith conjuncting your AC very nice for attraction and he sees you as wife material and lovers material, you are his ideal woman.

You also have sun conjunct Jupiter...

Also it looks like your Northnode conjuncts his IC which is nice.

And his chiron conjuncts your IC so something is in each other's IC.

But your DC and his DC don't have any planets on them and his AC has nothing...

In the comp there seems to be a YOD between venus, vesta and Northnode and I think that is meaningful.

posted June 15, 2014 02:10 PM            

The synastry with " TF" has always put doubt in my mind as to what type of connection it is. I think it's very weak and astrology hasn't failed me yet so I have to have some faith in it.

And seeing as his birth time is correct it really shows a lack of aspects to angels.

As soon as I saw the synastry with the childhood flame I thought the exact same thing you just said. I much prefere it.

I have looked back on all relationships and checked synastry with each and a Venus-Mars conjunction has yet to pop up in any of them.
What I do have is a wide square with nearly all of them. I think from the top of my head the square is always between 6-8 °.

Sorry again about the confusion.

posted June 15, 2014 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Heartsong11:
Amelia,

The synastry with " TF" has always put doubt in my mind as to what type of connection it is. I think it's very weak and astrology hasn't failed me yet so I have to have some faith in it.

And seeing as his birth time is correct it really shows a lack of aspects to angels.

As soon as I saw the synastry with the childhood flame I thought the exact same thing you just said. I much prefere it.

I have looked back on all relationships and checked synastry with each and a Venus-Mars conjunction has yet to pop up in any of them.
What I do have is a wide square with nearly all of them. I think from the top of my head the square is always between 6-8 °.

Sorry again about the confusion.

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I forgot to mention if the moon conjunct moon is by 5 or 6 orbs that is meaningful ! and I think moon conjunct moon are VERY NICE.

posted June 15, 2014 08:38 PM            

The ruler of his DC is the Sun and his Sun conjuncts your Jupiter and Northnode.

Also your NN conjuncts his MC.

The ruler of your DC is the moon and your moon/venus conjuncts his moon in the 8th!

The ruler of your IC is venus and your venus conjuncts his moon in the 8th.

The ruler of his IC is mercury and his mercury conjuncts your neptune!

The ruler of his AC is Uranus and his Uranus conjuncts your sun and uranus

The ruler of your AC is Saturn and your Saturn conjuncts his Pluto.

and you do have a very nice stellium in your composite opposing Chiron...

posted June 16, 2014 02:58 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:

Actually, wait....(your childhood sweetheart)

The ruler of his DC is the Sun and his Sun conjuncts your Jupiter and Northnode.

Also your NN conjuncts his MC.

The ruler of your DC is the moon and your moon/venus conjuncts his moon in the 8th!

The ruler of your IC is venus and your venus conjuncts his moon in the 8th.

The ruler of his IC is mercury and his mercury conjuncts your neptune!

The ruler of his AC is Uranus and his Uranus conjuncts your sun and uranus

The ruler of your AC is Saturn and your Saturn conjuncts his Pluto.

and you do have a very nice stellium in your composite opposing Chiron...

so go for it......and let us know if you end up getting married to your childhood sweetheart!

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That sounds more promising. His birth tins is unknown for now though. Still there are connections to my angular house rulers so that's more promising.

Thanks Amelia

posted July 04, 2014 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Heartsong11:
Me and you Enneline? Ok I'm game

Thanks for the insight. It would be great if you could expand on what aspects you think would work well. I presume moon-venus is good and having sun and moon signs compatible? If there's anything I'm missing let me know

What do you think of the Saturn-Pluto connection though? It worries me slightly but then again I never have synastry without a Saturn connection.

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Argh...My long post is gone...I have to re-write...

You have great aspects like sun/pallas sun/Jupiter (good emotional feelings), mercury/neptune (lovely talks) moon/venus and maybe even moon/moon (depends on his birth time). The latter would be great since moon is the ruler of your desc. Also, his lilith on your asc gives sexual chemistry.

Maybe you don't like his mars aspecting your chiron and falling into your 4th house (the house of cancer and cancer's your desc)....his advances touches your wounds...
And I don't like his node squaring your mars/Eros. As if you don't feel very comfortable around him...something like that. Mars is not a very important planet for your but nevertheless it represents sexuality & drive.

But making a reliable synastry without accurate birth times can be hard though.No houses, no angles, etc. you know how important that is

Can't you find out his birth time? Either ask him straigh away or tell him something like that "I was born at sunrise, you obviously were born at sunset"

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the Saturn/Pluto thing yet. Not before you have his birth time.

posted July 04, 2014 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Argh...My long post is gone...I have to re-write...

You have great aspects like sun/pallas sun/Jupiter (good emotional feelings), mercury/neptune (lovely talks) moon/venus and maybe even moon/moon (depends on his birth time). The latter would be great since moon is the ruler of your desc. Also, his lilith on your asc gives sexual chemistry.

Maybe you don't like his mars aspecting your chiron and falling into your 4th house (the house of cancer and cancer's your desc)....his advances touches your wounds...
And I don't like his node squaring your mars/Eros. As if you don't feel very comfortable around him...something like that. Mars is not a very important planet for your but nevertheless it represents sexuality & drive.

But making a reliable synastry without accurate birth times can be hard though.No houses, no angles, etc. you know how important that is

Can't you find out his birth time? Either ask him straigh away or tell him something like that "I was born at sunrise, you obviously were born at sunset"

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the Saturn/Pluto thing yet. Not before you have his birth time.

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Hi

Aw sorry about your post. It's so annoying when that happens.

I know without birth time it's really vague. I've tried asking but the best I could get out of him was that it was early afternoon. I don't think he knows himself. I thought it would have been late in the evening as he is a real night owl and I read some theory about how we feel most energetic around the time we were born. Which actually happens to be true in my case.

I had him down as cancer Asc for sure but that can't be right now as that would be evening time.

Thanks for taking the time to look at it anyhow.

I really like the fact that our Suns and Moons are in the same signs. I know there is more to it than that but I need to feel like the person I'm with gets me and having the same sun and moon sign really helps even if our moons don't conjunct.

If your theory about Taurus Asc is right he probably has a stellium in the 8th with Sun and that would make a lot of sense.

Anyhow it's all guess work with no birth time. I prob shouldn't have bothered posting the chart as I think Synastry is pointless without correct angles and houses.

posted July 04, 2014 06:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Just post charts where he is cancer or Taurus asc. the Chart above shows a Aqua asc, doesn't it?

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Ok then

posted July 04, 2014 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Just post charts where he is cancer or Taurus asc. the Chart above shows a Aqua asc, doesn't it?

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Ok then