posted June 19, 2014 01:39 AM            

When I saw my Twin Flame on 18 May of this year, the SUN was transiting his pNNODE and our cCHIRON on ALGOL at 25° TAU.

My pSUN is at 22° SCO, which is our cJUP, but the current position of his pATROPOS.

tATROPOS was at 00° VIR; it was 1° from our cMC, and is now in 6° VIR, but still isn't hitting anything dead on. It IS, however, on my pISIS (6° VIR).

Our cATROPOS is 12° LIB, which was likely hit by the MARS RETRO.

Now, his pJUNO is 12°44, which is less than 0°5 off of the cATROPOS. (My pJUNO is 16°, oddly conjunct his pALMA exactly.) I believe that tNNODE is also on his nUNION, which is 2° from the pATROPOS at 26° LIB.

Strangely enough, tALMA has been coming into conjunction with the tSUN and tISIS in late GEM. It's 2° right now.

But I'm not sure what to make of it all. I feel halved and confused. Deflated. Like I'm a shell of something. I'm just so ... sad. And now I'm wondering, was that The End?

Does anyone have experience with tATROPOS or when pATROPOS is hit in someone's composite? In our case, it's the tNNODE, and applying by 1°.

With the fact that his pJUNO is conjunct the cATROPOS, I'm not sure what to make of it. If it was his pATROPOS to the cJUNO -- maybe.

Or is cATROPOS always the point which represents the end or dissolution of a relationship? If something like one's pJUNO comes into conjunction with it -- is that all she wrote?

That 22° SCO business is strange, too; his pATROPOS and my pSUN. Is our ATROPOS really where we deal with 'the end'? If someone's pSUN hits our progressed ATROPOS -- is it self-explanatory?

I know it's been hard. I know I've been hurting, and running away, and scared of hurting even more. But I didn't think it would just END.

And now ... I'm feeling that it has. And I'm not doing so well. Not at all.

Insight? Please? Someone with greater experience with these in combination -- especially in progressions and transits?

tATROPOS is coming for my nVENUS next. My 12H VENUS which is already used to hiding out and protecting her heart.

posted June 19, 2014 07:09 AM            

In your case, his or hers Atropos on the other planet should not foretell anything for the relationship itself.

Look at the Composite Atropos for that matter - progression and transits. Especially progressed composite Atropos!

posted June 19, 2014 07:51 AM            

Are you sure it is the end?

I myself have very strongly felt this ending feeling from 29th april, but somehow it seems like something had to end, to make a change possible.
Somehow it seems it hasn´t really ended as a whole, but more so that some sort of behavioural pattern has ended and changed.
Maybe it really is the same result, I don`t know as of yet. lol

But well it does not seem like Atropos plays such a role currently.

WEll there has been transiting SN over your composite Chiron-Atropos-conjunction on 00 Taurus, with tr NN on composite Union (must have been in february though).

As of last friday, which feels like some sort of sweeping away the old. lol

Tr Atropos was trine our pr Composite Atropos on 5 Taurus. and as I just see we have a pr EROS-JUNO-conjunction in pr composite, under one degree, Eros applying (though it happens on Algol I think. lol), and on friday night Tr Juno was joining them.

pr c-EROS: 26.53 Taurus
pr c- JUNO: 27.06 Taurus
Tr JUNO: 27.24 Taurus

Now I was curious when the pr c-Eros and pr c-Juno will be precise. lol

which will be on 1st may next year
I think I remember from having glimpsed at my personal progressions and solar arcs some weeks agok, that the may 2015 seems to focus and bundle together a lot of shocking measurements (including sa Venus conjunct natal Moon).

What a coincidence!

I like the Sabian of that
A Woman, Past Her "Change Of Life", Experiences A New Love

Actually the 14th may 2015 looks ... interesting.

Tr EROS will be on 27 Taurus, too, giving our pr composite an Eros-return

A tr Jupiter-Juno conjunction happening with an orb of half a degree (13 and 14 Leo), triggering our pr composite Mercury on 13 Aquarius, pr composite uranus on 13 SCorpio.

our pr composite Moon will just have progressed over pr composite Jupiter-
pr composite Moon 15 Gemini
pr composite Jupiter 13 Gemini

these 13-degrees reminding me of our heliocentric composite with its
Venus 13 Aquarius
Pluto 13 Libra
Jupiter 11 Gemini
Persephone 13 Gemini
Destinn 13 Leo
Neptune 14 SAg
Psyche 13 Pisces
Valentine 13 Scorpio

Tr Pluto being exactly on our composite Venus.
Tr Union on composite NN

Tr Kaali on our composite IC-Priapus-ERos-conjunction

This may looks kinda intresting. lol

Doesn`t help you with the Atropos-problem though.

But it seems Atropos is not even in dAvison dongt hat much.

While lookin this up I just noticed what i had not een aware of.

That moment on friday, it had Tr ASC conjunct TRPluto on 12 Cap, squraing Tr Mar son 12 Libra.
With Tr Valentine on 12 Cancer.
Tr Eros on 13 Cancer

Now I just see that our Davison has

ASC 13 Capricorn
Karma 14 Capricorn

DESC 13 Cancer
Sappho 11 Cancer
Siva 14 Cancer

Pluto 11 Libra

actualy our davison ATropos is 13 Virgo, exactly trine the ASC, and obviously havng been trind by Tr Pluto-ASC and Tr Eros.

interestingly our pr Davison DESC must have just passed DAvison Atropos, as it was 15 Virgo, and ATropos 13 Virgo.

Let me check

This is giving me MAJOR goosebumps now - I expeicted it to be exact on the disastrous 29th april,

Instead

23rd/ 24th november 2013.

pr Davison DSC 13.27 Virgo
n Davison Atropos 13.23 Virgo

THAT was the night we last talked!
Where I impulsively made the decision I HAD to say something to him (was it really ME making this decision I woner now?).

Yes, this was definitely an end. But it seems it was an end in our pattern of non-reacting. LOL

It was inevitable that something had to end/ change.
And it did.

posted June 19, 2014 09:02 AM            

It was inevitable that something had to end/ change.
And it did.

posted June 19, 2014 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am feeling good, actually.
I have had a darkish phase in may, but I am out of it now, luckily.

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posted June 19, 2014 09:41 AM            

(In the natal-composite Atropos is already conjunct Chiron and opposite the vertex, within 2)

posted June 19, 2014 10:39 AM            

I was reading this;

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I was surprised how much Atropos cropped up in what I considered decent soulmate relationships, it tended to be in soft aspect though. There is obviously a karmic theme. Maybe the partners become each other’s drug and refuge, or they help each other out of toxic behaviour. Depending on the planets involved, one partner could feed off the life-force of the other and be too much of a drain. Synastry connections to the Davison will help determine which partner is the vampiric Atropos. If the connection is made conscious however, the “Life force” partner could actually heal and transform the “vampire” with love. The couple must be very aware and evolved though, in order for this aspect not to descend into co-dependency. Another possibility of course is Atropos will show how the couple finally part.

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And I thought.. ok, let's take a look at the Davison. To see..

My draco Atropos 25'31 Gem
His NATAL Atropos 25'15 Gem

posted June 19, 2014 11:20 AM            

Interesting!!!

My natal Atropos conjuncts the Davison/Composite Sun exact at 20' Scorpio;

His natal Atropos conjuncts the Davison/Composite IC at 12' Cancer

posted June 19, 2014 01:23 PM            

his Atropos conjunct:
D-DESC, D-Sappho, D-Siva

square
D-Pluto

sextile
D-Venus and D-Mars

my ATropos:
a bit underemployed

widely conjunct D-AVX (but over 3 degrees)

square D-MC-IC though

posted June 19, 2014 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Now I was curious when the pr c-Eros and pr c-Juno will be precise. lol

which will be on 1st may next year

I like the Sabian of that
A Woman, Past Her "Change Of Life", Experiences A New Love

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Wow! I do, too! As I told you before, a few times, I did NOT feel that the information you were receiving at that time was either factual or permanent. I still feel that way.

As to Fate ... I don't know anything. I had this sense of confidence, and sudden gusto. I could leave him behind completely, justified, and fine. I didn't deserve the poor treatment -- I deserve BETTER! And I've given OTHERS better! I deserve it, too!

But I don't know what happened. I feel broken. Really, really broken.

Did I expect he'd object to my subtle-but-frequent indications that I was done? Moving on? Sick of it? Outta here? Maybe. At LEAST respond to my short, but to the point, and honest, email.

Nothing. I've gotten nothing. It's as if he's suddenly decided to exact vengeance upon me by all-but-disappearing-completely. In other words, be me in 2013. I don't KNOW this, of course, because I won't dare call him, and whatever text messages I sent were only within the days immediately following seeing each other; when I had a brief sense that the cold war was finally over.

But then if that was his grand plan, I don't see why he's half-assing it. If the intention was to see each other one more time, then I would've expected him to pull the plug completely -- unfriending, blocking -- the whole nine yards. Instead ... no. It's me, circa 2013. Only somewhat responsive, but otherwise ... not.

He could've barbed me about a week ago -- but didn't. Miraculously. Didn't take the shot. I thought, 'this is strange.' But then I thought: this is ridiculous. I'm SURPRISED that he didn't insult me? Using his favourite insult of course, the 'I rejected you because you're crazy,' one. That's an old favourite.

Then a few days later, he used the diminutive form of my name, a nickname reserved only for my family and closest friends; almost always all soul family. I'll never forget when he started using it years ago ... it had such an effect upon me.

But now? You don't do that. You don't all but ignore someone, act like an acquaintance, and then address them so personally. You DON'T do that. My breath caught in my throat. I didn't know what to do. It stopped me in my tracks. Suddenly, I just ... it just ... I didn't know what I was doing.

I made the decision, privately, about a week ago that I was done. Since then, I made a few posts here and there, but mostly about LTS changes. I'm glad for those. I'm sure they DID send kind of a message to him ... but that also needed to be sent.

That I'm not happy about this. That it's damned hard. That I'm doing the best I can. He KNOWS that.

And today ... he barbed me.

I posted one of my new friends' quippy ecards:

'Sure, you'll go tell everyone I was crazy, but you'll forget to tell them the part about you being an ass.'

And he actually responded; so, the following took place:

'As long as we're acknowledging your insanity, I have no problem copping to being an ass ... a douche even.'

'Perception is a funny thing, isn't it? Assery, on the other hand -- that's an art in your hands.'

So, who knows? Maybe the only real change is that the gloves are off. Real, honest-to-God frenemies.

Maybe it's not over. Maybe it's the war that's just beginning.

Oh, well. Lane and Fiona are FAR more entertaining hating each other. Even if we already had Sol and Christine sufficiently dishing the Haterade. I ... guess we needed more.

At least it feels more authentic this way. Looks like if we actually do shoot this pilot preview next summer, it'll be us snarling and snarking at each other. And that's pretty standard now.

Guess we'll need to fill the obvious hole left by Will McAvoy and Mackenzie McHale (from that show I reference at times, Aaron Sorkin's 'Newsroom') as they're all good since the season finale.

posted June 19, 2014 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
As Orange said, in my last two relationships that ended Atropos with involved with MC, yes. Well, this is however little research on this, but it's most likely Atropos will be on a proactive composite (especially progressed) angle when things end.

I am sorry, Indigo and Ceri, for the way you are feeling now The sun will shine again, you know that

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posted June 19, 2014 05:08 PM            

Asc @ Virgo 22.43
Atropos @ Vir 22.43
Prosperina @ Vir 23.23
Osiris @ Vir 24.0
Apollo @ Vir 24.9
Sun @ Vir 24.35

posted June 19, 2014 07:39 PM            

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Originally posted by loffra180:
This isn't to do with progressions, but I did just notice something. Amber's Atropos is square my Eros by 3 minutes. 3 minutes! Her and I have a 1 degree Eros-Psyche conjunction, and well, seeing that adds another layer to the puzzle of why it hasn't really come into affect for us.

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I don't really think so. Unless you're going with the theory that she would have to inevitably face your eroticising the relationship? Which, she has. But I'm not sure it did much.

posted June 19, 2014 07:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
It may be worth mentioning that I have ATROPOS dead (excuse the pun) on our Composite Asc.

Asc @ Virgo 22.43
Atropos @ Vir 22.43
Prosperina @ Vir 23.23
Osiris @ Vir 24.0
Apollo @ Vir 24.9
Sun @ Vir 24.35

As far as I can see this relationship is well past its sell by date but lingers on in one form or the other. No signs of ending here. But ATROPOS could mean something other than endings, perhaps completion of unfinished business - I am more inclined to believe that, particularly as we have such a sunny Asc.

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I certainly know THAT feeling; the past-expiry-date, but lingering on in some form. I grow weary of it, though.

I do agree that there's an element of unfinished business and completion of karma.

posted June 20, 2014 06:29 AM            

Where there can't be love, in our case, there's hate. Not true hate, but the absence of tolerance and understanding. Thwarted expression after several years and an intensity that only grows -- that's not going to fizzle out. It's going to go out with a bang.

In my case, or our case, there's pain. I just hope to God there's healing which follows. Maybe I ran too long. Seems to be his turn now.

posted June 20, 2014 10:57 AM            

and this conjuncts my sun in virgo 28 degrees which my husband's juno and jupiter conjuncts as well.

Could this mean that karma in this life between the two will be paid and end?

posted June 20, 2014 11:09 AM            

Gabby gave a great interpretation of ATRPOS on composite ASC. Perhaps you can extrapolate from that.

"...a way of thinking that's holding you back from finding true peace and being able to see your personal value will be dying through this relationship. ....Through the relationship you both will experience a death to an old way of thinking and how you personally see yourselves, how you view the world and what you want to be known for will change through the relationship."

posted June 20, 2014 11:22 AM            

The day my ex and I broke up:

T-atropos squared exact my natal atrapos

T-atropos inconjunct exact my sun

T-atropos opposed exact my Pluto

We also had a heartbreak clash transit....

I remember feeling that the break up was fated and out of my control even though I initiated it but our meeting also felt that way..

Life is weird LOL....

posted June 20, 2014 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Forgive me, athenegoddess, but I think you, nor I, nor most people have no idea WHAT Twin Flames are even about here on earth; and it's hardly a one-size-fits-all.

Where there can't be love, in our case, there's hate. Not true hate, but the absence of tolerance and understanding. Thwarted expression after several years and an intensity that only grows -- that's not going to fizzle out. It's going to go out with a bang.

In my case, or our case, there's pain. I just hope to God there's healing which follows. Maybe I ran too long. Seems to be his turn now.

Go figure. We're all learning. All of us.

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posted June 21, 2014 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
twin flames are here to end duality consciousness and ascend out of the third dimension as perfect beings ready for greater work.

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