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IndigoDirae
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posted July 12, 2014 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lee presented the following here awhile back.

Like any good astrologer, it's time we put it to the test. I'll be exploring the 11th Harmonic charts of myself and my Twin for evaluation purposes.

In a nutshell, we would expect to see links from natal to H11, and synastric H11 aspects. We might even hypothesise that our own H11 are more likely to be activated if our natal points are hitting it; suggesting, perhaps, a Twin Flame connexion in our present incarnation.

After we do a bit of investigating, we'll delve more deeply into what 11th Harmonics mean, how they affect us, and what we might expect to see in these connexions.

And ... let's get started!

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posted July 12, 2014 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All right, the data.

(While clearly not the most ideal way to handle it, seems it'll either run off the page or require mass squinting. So here's the happy medium.)

Right off the bat, we notice a few things synastrically:

SUN and MOON both in same sign (GEMINI) though not conjunct (17° and 4°).

NODES also same sign (GEM/SAG)

And some noteworthy aspects:

NNODE conjunct SUN (1°)
ASC conjunct VERTEX
NNODE conjunct ASC

AVX/VX axis intersects ASC/DSC axis (4°)

PSYCHE conjunct EROS (3°)
PSYCHE opposite PSYCHE (1°)

VALENTINE in same sign (CAP)
ISIS and OSIRIS in same sign (LIB)

OSIRIS trine OSIRIS (3°)
ISIS sextile ISIS (3°)

KARMA conjunct VENUS (2°)
KARMA conjunct OSIRIS (2°)
AMOR conjunct PSYCHE (2°)
AMOR square AMOR (2°)
MOON conjunct KARMA (2°)

There are many 'natal echoes'; similar aspects between our natals that continue here. Such as SATURN conjunct OSIRIS, and ISIS and JUPITER being in the same sign (here, LEO).

JUNO and ALMA are both either natally conjunct or in the same sign as well; a vague mimic of our mutual JUNO-ALMA conjunctions.

Very interesting! It does seem the 11th Harmonic can be important when evaluating Twin Flame charts.

Next, we'll look at the natals against the H11s, and test them against some controls.

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posted July 12, 2014 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 12, 2014 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Slippery fingers! Mea culpa!

Amelia,

An 11th Harmonic (H11) can be calculated on Astro.com by selecting 'Harmonic chart' in the basic calculation drop-down. Then just make sure the number in the date field (where you cast transits charts) is the '11' of something -- the month and year don't matter.

Cast the chart, and take a look. That's your H11 chart.

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posted July 12, 2014 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Slippery fingers! Mea culpa!

Amelia,

An 11th Harmonic (H11) can be calculated on Astro.com by selecting 'Harmonic chart' in the basic calculation drop-down. Then just make sure the number in the date field (where you cast transits charts) is the '11' of something -- the month and year don't matter.

Cast the chart, and take a look. That's your H11 chart.


Thanks. I get how to generate the chart..I am looking at it right now but just dont know what the chart means....


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Originally posted by amelia28:
Thanks. I get how to generate the chart..I am looking at it right now but just dont know what the chart means....


Do what I did; cast yours and your ex's, and we'll take a look at the synastry. Of course, you'll notice if there's something immediately linking to either of your natals, too.

For example, my 11th's PLUTO is right on his nSNODE. Huh!

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posted July 12, 2014 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We're not entirely clear HOW to interpret the undecile series (11th Harmonic aspects), but there have been many valorous attempts.

• seeking to integrate that which is dualistic

• trapped by feelings of obligation or duty, seeking to satisfy many masters, so to speak, which can lead to personal disharmony

• the balance of scepticism and faith

The series is also said to relate to greater consciousness, and how individual parts can affect the whole.

We can see that there's a lot here, in any case, that has to do with integration and healing duality. Perhaps that's why the H11 is theorised to be a 'Twin Flame' chart, and aspects from the natals, as well as their synastry, can be revealing.

So far, I've seen that check out between my Twin and myself. But I've yet to REALLY test it -- which I'll do after I look at the natal-to-H11. That'll no doubt be easier, because you're familiar with those already, and are just incorporating the newest information -- in this case, the H11 data.

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This has to be one of the greatest advances in astrological analysis of the last hundred years. What are "harmonics?" Just a mathematical rearrangement of the horoscope so that we can see particular features more clearly. It's something like taking a cross-section of a sample in biology and putting it under a microscope. How is it done?

By computer, of course. Please, PLEASE do not try to do the calculations by hand. If you do, you might see numbers in front of your face for a week. You would first have to assign numbers to all of the degrees of the zodiac, starting with the first degree of Aries as number one and ending with the last degree of Pisces as number 360. Then, you will have to give each planet a number, depending on the degree it happens to be in. It gets more complicated. You have to put in the minutes and seconds of arc as well.

Then you choose the harmonic that you want to examine. What next? Multiply ALL of those planetary position numbers by the number of the harmonic. Good luck! Oh, were not finished yet. Most of the numbers you will get are going to be over 360, but there are only 360 degrees in a circle. You will have to subtract 360 again and again until you get a number that is less than 360. After that, you can put the planets in the wheel. Unfortunately, by this time, you will probably be too exhausted to do an interpretation (or too crazed).

Or you can let a computer do it at the click of a mouse. The choice is yours. However, if you choose the first method, be sure to check your medical insurance first to see if it covers mental breakdowns.

There are as many harmonics as there are numbers. Fortunately, only a few are needed to give us insight into the horoscope. Most of them are covered in David Hamblin's book Harmonic Charts, (The Aquarian Press, Eng.), which is unfortunately out of print. Still, if you can find a used copy somewhere, it is well worth it.

Some VERY IMPORTANT words of caution:

1) DON'T EVER try to do aspects between harmonics of different numbers. They are totally different animals.

2) There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that everything has been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house interpretations because they are no longer there. The purpose of harmonics is to get more information about aspects and aspect patterns.

Now, let's take a look at some actual harmonics and how they can add depth to horoscope interpretation.

The Fourth Harmonic: The 4th harmonic shows how we deal with stress, strain, and struggle. When you construct a 4th harmonic chart, all of the conjunction, square, and opposition aspects in the original horoscope appear as conjunctions and this makes them easier to see. Of course, these aspects are pretty easy to see in the original horoscope as well, so what's the point? The point is that the minor aspects, the semi-square (45 degrees) and sequa-square (135 degrees), which are difficult to spot by a quick visual inspection, now appear as oppositions, and can be seen at a glance. Not only that, but other minor stress aspects (22 ½ degrees, 67 ½ degrees, 157 ½ degrees), which can take a very long time to locate, now become squares. In the 4th harmonic, whole patterns of stress aspects can be spotted, and this gives you a big edge for interpretation.

The horoscope of Francisco Assis, the Brazilian serial killer who killed at least nine women, doesn't seem, at first, to be excessively violent. But when you look at Francisco's 4th Harmonic Chart, you see another story. The Sun is opposite Venus, which can give feelings of being unloved. Yes, but lots of people have that and they don't become serial killers. What they don't have is Uranus making square aspects in the 4th harmonic to both the Sun and Venus. Uranus can make one prone to sudden, hysterical outbursts. Still, everyone born that day had the same thing. What else is there here to drive him over the edge? The Ascendant also makes stress aspects. It opposes Uranus and squares both the Sun and Venus. This makes a Grand Cross, a rare and highly stressful pattern. The Ascendant is very sensitive to changes in the time of birth. In the 4th harmonic chart, this Grand Cross could only have formed in a time interval of about 20 minutes!

But there's more to come. Mercury (the mind) Mars (violence) and Saturn (depression) make a T-Cross formation (another stressful configuration) in the 4th harmonic as well. Once again though, everyone born that day had the same thing. Why is this case different? Take another look at the birth chart. There is a close semi-square between Mars and the cusp (beginning) of the 8th house (death). Not only that, but Mars rules the sign of Aries, which happens to be the sign on the cusp of the 12th house (psychological problems) as well. This is the classic 8th house-12th house connection frequently found in the charts of serial killers. Where does the 8th house cusp land in the 4th harmonic chart? Opposite Mars, with square aspects to both Mercury and Saturn. It forms another Grand Cross. And this too, could only have been formed in an interval of about 20 minutes. It could take hours to see this in a birth chart. In the 4th harmonic chart, the conclusion leaps out at you.

What happens though, if you have harmonious aspects (sextiles and trines) in a 4th harmonic chart? The best example of that comes from Hamblin's "Harmonic Charts." It is the horoscope of a little known French Marshal from World War I, Franchet d'Esperey. Hamblin claims that sextiles and trines in a 4th harmonic chart show "effort towards pleasure, or pleasure in effort." In other words, someone who likes stress, strain, and struggle. Hamblin quotes Gauquelin's description of him:
"...he drove cars at maniacal speed and shot windows when there was nothing better to shoot."

In d'Esperey's 4th Harmonic Chart, there is a Grand Trine between the Sun, Mars, and Pluto, a perfect aspect pattern for a soldier. A Moon/Venus conjunction sextiles the Sun and Pluto and opposes Mars, making for a Kite formation. Here is someone who had an emotional need (the Moon) for action and violence (Moon/Mars) and got a lot of pleasure from it (Moon/Venus).

Muhammad Ali's 4th Harmonic Chart also has a lot of harmonious aspects, especially to the Mid-Heaven. The Sun makes a sextile and the Moon a conjunction, and both aspects are within one degree of being exact. This means that stress, strain, and struggle are more likely to bring him before the public. The Mid-Heaven also has a trine from Jupiter and a sextile from Uranus. In Ali's Birth Chart, Jupiter rules the 5th house (sports and games) and Uranus rules his 7th house (open enemies), a perfect setup for someone to become famous through competitive sports.

Robert Blake, the actor arrested for his wife's murder, has a 4th Harmonic Chart with a highly stressful T-Cross formation. There is a conjunction of the Moon (feelings, emotions) and Neptune (imagination, film), which helped him in his film career, but it is opposite Pluto (extremes) and all three of these planets make a square to Jupiter (expansion and over optimism). There is hostility towards women here, and when his emotions go, they can really go (Moon, Jupiter, Pluto T-Cross), especially if he happens to be under the influence of alcohol or other intoxicants (Neptune).

The Fifth Harmonic: The 5th harmonic chart indicates talent, if any. In the 5th harmonic chart, all of the quintiles and bi-quintiles come together as conjunctions, making them very easy to spot. The semi-quintiles and sesqua-quintiles become oppositions. Quintiles are one fifth of a circle (72 degrees) and they give talent and power, and show our ability to put things together (pattern recognition). It also has to do with creative play, the joy of making up games of finding patterns (like looking for "patterns" of cracks in the ceiling, or always stepping on cracks in the sidewalk, or always avoiding the cracks). People with strong 5th harmonics do things like that all the time. Of course, taken to the extreme, this is a mental disorder, but those with a strong 5th harmonic usually manage to keep it under control, and then it becomes the basis for creative talent. You don't need a strong 5th harmonic to succeed as an artist, designer, scientist, or engineer, but it really helps.

Let's start with a negative example, a very negative example: Adolph Hitler's 5th Harmonic. Mercury, planet of communications, is opposite the Moon, Neptune, Saturn, and Jupiter. This gives a talent for communicating and power to his words. Chiron makes a conjunction to Mercury, as well as oppositions to the Moon, Neptune, and Saturn. Remember that Chiron is a "bridge" between the inner planets (which rule "normal," everyday functions) and the outer planets, which rule forces that are out of the ordinary. Chiron also has to do with a feeling of being wounded. Hitler was able to deal with his psychological problems (Mercury rules the 12th house in his birth chart) by communications. Now everyone born that day had similar configurations in their charts. Why was Hitler different? Well for one thing, the Moon was part of the configuration, and the Moon was in place for only a few hours. But his Mid-Heaven closely aspects his Moon, Neptune, and Chiron, and also his Sun providing a link between that powerful communication configuration and his personality. The Mid-Heaven is, of course, the career and the public image, showing that Hitler's whole personality was involved when he communicated in public. The fact that the German public also felt "wounded" after the defeat in World War I tied right in with Hitler's Mercury/Chiron quintile. Unfortunately, he dealt with these wounds by making more wounds.

A more positive example of a strong 5th harmonic chart is Mozart. In his birth chart, Venus (art) is powerful because it is his only planet in a Cadent House. This means that it is a singleton by house, and can draw all of the horoscope's energy to the 6th house (work). But the only apparent aspect seems to be a trine to Mars, and while this does add activity, it seems to leave poor Venus without connection to the rest of his life. Let's take a look at his 5th Harmonic Chart. Venus now has conjunctions with Pluto (extremes, obsession, intensity) and the Moon (which rules both one's own emotions and the ability to appeal to the public). In fact, there are eight conjunctions in his 5th harmonic, and each one represents a quintile or a bi-quintile in his birth chart. Talent on top of talent. The Sun and Mercury in that 5th harmonic chart make trines to the Mid-Heaven, making it easier for that talent to come before the public. Most of Mozart's first drafts were the same as his final drafts. He would hear the music in his head and write it down with few, if any revisions.

The Seventh Harmonic:

According to Hamblin in his book, "Harmonic Charts," the seventh harmonic has to do with

"…man's highest flights of creative imagination, and his lowest depths of destructive illusion. It is a number not of permanence, but of transience; not of unchanging truth, but of sudden flashes of light and darkness; not of objective reality, but of subjective impressions and the emotional experience which man derives from those impressions; not of knowledge, but of fantasy. It is, in short, a romantic number."(Pg. 65).

In other words, the 7th harmonic has to do with inspiration, with what inspires us and how we can inspire others. This is an important ingredient of creativity.

In the 7th harmonic, the septiles, biseptiles, and tri-septiles appear as conjunctions. A septile is one-seventh of a circle, or 51.42857 degrees. Try finding that aspect by visual inspection of a birth chart!

Woody Allen's 7th Harmonic has Venus (artistic ability) opposite Chiron (our "wounds" and recurring problems). Since Venus is also our ability to experience happiness, a Venus/Chiron stress aspect can show problems with enjoyment. But Chiron is also a teacher. Woody has taken his neuroses and turned them into entertainment. Of course, there is more than just those two involved. For real creative ability, you need to have several planets linked in an overall complex of aspects. That Venus/Chiron combination has aspects to Jupiter (ability to see the big picture) and Pluto (depth, psychological insight). Jupiter has a conjunction to Pallas (pattern recognition ability). On top of that, Uranus (ability to see things in strange and startling ways) aspects Venus, Pluto, and the Moon. That's six planets making up one pattern. The real key, though, is the Mid-Heaven. Why? Because without that, no one would ever see his creativity. The Mid-Heaven is the career, and, even more importantly, the public image. Aspect patterns involving planets sometimes last for more than a day. Everyone born that day has them. Aspects involving the Ascendant and Mid-Heaven, however, will show up in the harmonic charts for about 20 minutes, and this can make all the difference.

Tennessee William's 7th Harmonic also has a series of aspects linked together in one complex pattern. Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto form a Grand Trine in his 7th harmonic. Mars give the energy and desire to do things, Jupiter gives optimism that they can be done, Saturn gives the discipline and determination to do them, and Pluto adds the desire to see hidden secrets. His birth chart does have a Scorpio Mid-Heaven, and his plays are famous for characters that are tragically flawed. Jupiter in conjunction with the Mid-Heaven, however, does add a note of optimism, and many times the plays end with some sort of rebirth (Pluto again) of the main protagonist.

The Mid-Heaven is also connected to that Grand Trine, since it has a conjunction to Jupiter and a trine to Saturn. Jupiter is the storyteller, but Saturn gives the discipline to work and produce Tennessee William's 7th Harmonic Mid-Heaven also makes a sextile to Mercury (writing) and a trine to Neptune (imagination) making it easier for his inspiration and imagination to be communicated to the public.

Andrew Lloyd Webber also has a strongly aspected Mid-Heaven in his 7th Harmonic Chart. There is a sextile to the Moon, and that doesn't hurt if you want your inspiration to be noticed in public. But his 7th harmonic Mid-Heaven also has an opposition to Mercury (communication) and a square to Neptune (imagination). While this does mean that his imaginative communications can come before the public, the stressful nature of the aspects does indicate that this will be a struggle for him. Saturn aspects the 7th harmonic Mid-Heaven as well, giving the determination and discipline to pound his inspiration into a completed and polished work.

The Ninth Harmonic: According to Hamblin, the 9th harmonic chart shows "…a person's capacity for joy and happiness," and it also "…shows the person's capacity to spread joy and happiness to those around (them)." While the 4th harmonic shows how we can deal with stress, strain, and struggle, the 9th harmonic, by contrast, shows how we can be at peace.

But that means it can also show blockages to being at peace. The 9th Harmonic of David Berkowitz, the infamous "Son of Sam" serial killer, has a Grand Cross formation involving Pluto (death) opposing a conjunction of 4 planets: Mercury (the mind, and, in this case, his Sun-sign ruler), Saturn (depression), Neptune (dreams and illusions), and Mars (action, aggression, violence). The Sun makes square aspects with all of them. The aspects to Mars are wide, but we can use a wider orb here because Mars is part of an over-all pattern.

This pattern would occur in the 9th harmonic charts of everyone born that day. What sets David Berkowitz 9th Harmonic chart apart is the presence of the Ascendant in this pattern, and it completes the Grand Cross formation (which can be highly stressful). In David Berkowitz's Natal Chart, Venus is the ruler of both the 8th house (death) and the 12th house (psychological problems), and in his 9th harmonic chart, Venus and Uranus (sudden change) both oppose the Mid-Heaven (the public image) bringing his "work" before the public. Again, we have to remember that the Ascendant and Mid-Heaven were only part of these configurations for a few minutes for the time and place of his birth.

Mozart's Ninth Harmonic Chart has a T-Cross formation involving the Sun, the Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Pluto, and the Mid-Heaven. Since the Mid-Heaven is involved, appearing before the public is part of what made him happy. But it could also mean that when he does whatever made him happy, it would help him come before the public. What do those stressful aspects tell us? They show either that it was a struggle for Mozart to experience joy, or that it was the struggle itself that made him happy.

Michelle Pfeiffer's Ninth Harmonic Chart has a Kite formation, and once again the Mid-Heaven is involved. The Sun and Mars make a Grand Trine with Saturn showing happiness with action, but only if it is disciplined and focused action. A triple conjunction of the Moon, Jupiter, and the Mid-Heaven is opposite Saturn and sextiles both the Sun and Mars, and this completes the Kite. With the Mid-Heaven involved, success in career is difficult to avoid. But Saturn is opposite Jupiter and the Mid-Heaven. Jupiter expands. Saturn contracts. Jupiter is optimism. Saturn is pessimism. Jupiter is up. Saturn is down. Jupiter gives her the luck and optimism to succeed. Saturn gives the ambition and discipline. But she will tend to be of two minds about her success, sometimes loving and sometimes hating it. Periodically, she has to get away from it all (Saturn), but then she gets bored (Jupiter) and has to get back into action.

The Eleventh Harmonic: This one shows pure imagination, fantasy. Sometimes this stays inside in our own private little world. Every now and then, we let it out. The results vary. We can get a beautiful dream made real, or a nightmare of horror.

Ian Stuart Brady's 11th Harmonic is an example of the nightmare come to life. Brady, the "Monster of the Moors," and his girlfriend, Myra Hyndley, were a serial killer team. In Brady's 11th Harmonic chart, the Moon (emotions) is opposite Mercury (the mind) and Mars (anger) showing an imagination that tended to violence. That configuration was in effect for a few hours on the day Brady was born. As always, it is the placement of the Ascendant and the Mid-Heaven that make the difference. Aspects involving those two only last for about five minutes in an 11th harmonic chart. Brady's 11th Harmonic Mid-Heaven makes a T-Cross formation with Saturn (depression) and Neptune (imagination). The depression can sometimes be displaced into fantasies of controlling and harming others, which is what happened here. The stress aspects to the Mid-Heaven showed that these fantasies would one day come before the public. The 11th harmonic Ascendant makes a square to Pluto (death) that is only one minute of arc from exact. This is the key aspect here, the one that pushed his fantasies to become obsessions, and the obsessions to into reality.

George Gershwin's 11 Harmonic shows the positive side, the beautiful dream come to life. Venus (art) and Jupiter (optimism, "luck," expansion) are opposite the 11th harmonic Ascendant, while the Moon opposite the 11th harmonic Mid-Heaven makes it easier for his dreams to come before the public. Uranus (innovation) makes trine aspects to Venus and Jupiter, making it easier for Gershwin to innovate. The strong 11th harmonic adds to the creativity of Gershwin's Birth Chart, which has Neptune (imagination) making a square aspect and Venus (art) making a sextile to the Mid-Heaven.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. has Sagittarius (sign of the archer) on the cusp (beginning) of his 8th house (death). Jupiter, the ruler, is in his 12th house (hidden enemies). He was shot by a sniper who was concealed at a distance. Dr. King was most famous for his "I have a Dream" speech, so it is only natural to check Dr. King's 11th Harmonic. To see if his dream came before the public, we have to look at the Mid-Heaven. Remember that aspects to the Mid-Heaven are in effect for only a few minutes, so the chances are very small that other people would have them unless they happened to be born at the same place and time. Jupiter and Pluto make sextiles, Saturn and Uranus make conjunctions, and Neptune makes an opposition to his Mid-Heaven. That's five planets, or half of all the planets in the chart! Do you notice something else? They are all Outer Planets, the ones that rule the large-scale events in our lives.

There is more here, much more. Saturn and Neptune are in opposition and both aspect the Mid-Heaven. But didn't Ian Brady have something similar in his 11th harmonic? Yes, however we must remember that there is always a positive and a negative way for things to work out. Similar aspect patterns are common to the horoscopes of murderers and murder victims, an ironic fact that was first noted by Darling and Oliver in their book Astro Psychiatry (CSA Press, 1972).

With Ian Brady, his imagination added to his murderous urges. In the case of Dr. King, it was a setup for martyrdom. Uranus is there as well, making a conjunction to Saturn and an opposition to Neptune. Uranus is the planet of sudden, shocking events. Of course, this makes us think of his assassination, but his whole life was a struggle and involved demonstrations which (at the time) were considered shocking. The trine between Jupiter (ruler of the house of death in his birth chart) and Pluto (the "natural" ruler of death) is also significant, very significant.

They both aspect his 11th harmonic Mid-Heaven, but, on top of that, the Mid-Heaven sits on their Midpoint! Yes, the connection with his death seems obvious here, but so is the connection with his life. The 8th house rules more than death. It also shows the values of the groups to which we belong, all the groups, including the society that we live in. The effect the group values have on us is an 8th house matter, but so is the impact we can have on the values of the group. With his 11th harmonic Mid-Heaven on the midpoint of Jupiter and Pluto, King's dream had an immense impact on an entire nation, during his life and even in death.

The Thirteenth Harmonic: The 13th harmonic seems to have a similar effect to the sign of Scorpio. They both relate to death and rebirth, transformation, as well as group resources and values.

The birth chart of Dr. Jonas Salk, inventor of the first effective anti-polio vaccine, does not (at first glance) seem too special. The Sun rules them Mid-Heaven (career) and sits in the 12th house in Scorpio. That's a good placement for doing research behind the scenes, and the Leo Mid-Heaven can give the chance of eventual fame. Pluto, the ruler of the Sun-sign, has a conjunction with Saturn (ambition, discipline) and they both make out-of-sign sextile aspects with the Mid-Heaven, as well as square aspects (challenges) to his Sun. But when we look at Jonas Salk's 13th Harmonic Chart, the picture becomes far more clear. Jupiter, Mars, Pluto, and Saturn all make conjunction aspects to his Mid-Heaven, while the Moon and the North Lunar Node make square aspects, and the Sun makes a quincunx (the 150 degree aspect). Six out of ten planets aspect his Mid-Heaven (career and public image) and that configuration only held for a few minutes on that day and location. Salk's vaccine ended a yearly epidemic of polio and (long after Salk's death) is still saving thousands of lives a year.
Bill Gate's 13th Harmonic Chart has the Mid-Heaven (career) sextile Jupiter and Pluto, which are located in the 2nd house (money) of his Birth Chart. Uranus, which rules his natal 8th house (other people's money and resources) makes a square aspect here in the 13th harmonic. His big break came when he bought the DOS operating system from another company (other people's resources) and then made a deal with IBM

Harmonic charts can provide greater depth to most horoscope interpretations. Just be sure to remember that they are used for aspect patterns only, and not for sign or house interpretation. You can use them for chart comparison as well, but please don't compare harmonics of different numbers (that's like comparing apples and oranges).

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html


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Literature Review: Meanings of the First 32 Harmonics
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1st Harmonic:
The 1st harmonic indicates union (Godefrey), From the point
of view of harmonics a conjunction (1st harmonic) indicates
an overall similarity between the planets, and only has a
clear astrological expression if many planets are in the first
harmonic. For example, if 5 or more planets are within 16
degrees, the person has a strong, simple, and direct personal-
ity and can be an icon or image for a collective movement or
a concept. There may be other planets outside this stellium
that add more complexity to the personality but there is still
this kind of simple icon status that makes the person easily
identifiable, and prone to success and have good leadership
abilities. Over time however, may become a bit boring or un-
inspiring by being very consistent and unswerving in behav-
ior, beliefs, style, and motivation. (Cochrane)
•
2nd Harmonic
The 2nd harmonic indicates polarity, conflict, and conscious-
ness (Godefrey). It inclines towards relating to others because
of the polarizing and objectifying tedencies (Cochrane).
•
3rd Harmonic
The 3rd harmonic indicates balance and stability (Godefrey).
A transiting trine aspect is as if the planets are on ice and just
slide towards their destination, for better or worse (Brady).
There is a naturalness and smoothness to the trine aspect
(Cochrane).
•
4th Harmonic
The 4th harmonic shows how we deal with stress, strain, and
struggle (Marks). It indicates resistance and matter (Gode-
frey). It Indicates the basic challenges and things the person
wishes to achieve, and that the person feels are important to
become better at, rectify, or improve.
•
5th Harmonic
The 5th harmonic indicates power and the ability to have
power or lordship in some area. It is a kind of art and kind of
marriage (but 9th harmonic describes the marriage partner).
It also relates to sexual penetration. Saturn and Uranus rule
astrology and Saturn in Uranus near 0 degrees of cardinal
signs or mutable signs in 5th harmonic chart often occurs in
charts of astrologers. (Addey). The 5th harmonic "is con-
nected with the idea of making, arranging, building, con-
structing, structuring, forming." (Hamblin, page 48). The 5th
harmonic indicates talent (Marks). Creative thinking and
original insights are indicated by the 5th and 7th harmonics
(Kollerstrom). It is a perfected mental trait (Jay). "Quintiles
have long been known to have higher presence in charts of
'creatively active' people. The tredecile, though, is quite rare in
most people's charts, yet quite ubiquitous in charts of genius-
es" (from Partha in discussion at
http://tribes.tribenetwork.
com/astrology_of_the_soul/thread/11543e45-3da7-4035-
b093-8c3c5bb9305b). It indicates strength, powers (creative
or destructive), the number of humanity (Godefrey). The 5th
harmonic indicates playfulness and creativity (Cochrane).

6th Harmonic
The 6th harmonic indicates rhythmic activity, and the prac-
tice of art (Addey). It indicates polarity and equilibrium, 2x3
and therefore a combination of balance and imbalance such
as in walking (Godefrey). The 6th harmonic indicates pleas-
ant and easy sharing with others (Cochrane).

7th Harmonic
The 7th harmonic is creative, mystical, and religious (Addey).
It is "man's highest flights of creative imagination, and of his
lowest depths of destructive illusion." (Hamblin, page 65).
The 7th harmonic indicates a deep, sensitive inner searching.
(Jay). It has to do with inspiration, with what inspires us and
how we can inspire others. This is an important ingredient
of creativity (Marks).Creative thinking and original insights
are indicated by the 5th and 7th harmonics (Kollerstrom).
Septiles (spiritual grace/interdimensional awareness) pro-
duce a strange aptitude to channel this sense of serendip-
ity into situations that are in need of some kind of 'divine
intervention'. It is the 'Deus ex Machina' sensation that often
intervenes through synchronicity at critical junctures in the
manifestation of genius, propelling them into active service
of the planetary consciousness. (from Partha in discussion
at http://tribes.tribenetwork.com/astrology_of_the_soul/[/URL]
thread/11543e45-3da7-4035-b093-8c3c5bb9305b). It in-
dicates things from beyond and not of the earth, the other
worldly. The 1/7 aspect indicates creative growth at a price,
and irrational relationships that also confers the hidden
underlying nature and deeper destiny. The 2/7 aspect exter-
nalizes the qualities of the septile. (Godefrey). On a website
I read that in the book "The Astrology of Personality" Dane
Rudhyar states that the 7th harmonic indicates fatefulness
and probably this is true but in browsing through the book I
was unable to confirm this. The 7th harmonic indicates self-
control, introversion, an inner-direct and focused attention,
and an inclination to be interested in symbols or abstractions
(Cochrane).
•
8th Harmonic
The 8th harmonic indicates polarity and resistance, reminis-
cent of the poles of a magnet. (Godefrey). The 8th harmonic
aspects are hard aspects and are motivating. The 1/8 aspect
indicates an inner need or drive, and the 3/8 aspect is a bit
more openly expressive, not as intensely driven, and more
easily achieves its goals.
•
9th Harmonic
The 9th harmonic indicates the marriage partner, or ideal
marriage partner. The fruit of one’s labor. Becoming the
father or mother of some area of study or development (Ad-
dey). It indicates our capacity for joy. happiness, and peace
(Hamblin) or how we can be at peace (Bob Marks). It is the
completion and the end of a cycle that is destined to occur
(Jay). "The 9th Harmonic is the fruit of the tree: it is both the
chart of the soul mate and the chart of the soul itself. Ad-
ditionally, astrologer Addey, father of harmonics, said the 9th
also represents some particular life work towards which you
are heading, whether we know it or not" (Delphine Jay from
http://www.aquarius-atlanta.com/aug04/harmonic.shtml).[/URL]
The 1/9 aspect indicates problems that can be overcome, and
the ability to unlock constrictions, and thus be a catalyst of
self-enhancement (Godefrey). The 9th harmonic seeks accep-
tance and inclusion in a larger community (Cochrane).
•
10th Harmonic
The 10th harmonic is a small creative aspect, and helps to
transmute an idea into a concrete form. It intensifies perspi-
cacity and intuition, and fosters the ability to develop mutual
relationships. The 1/10 aspect gives the ability to help others.
The 3/10 aspect indicates a need for withdrawal and intro-
spection that is needed to externalize one's original ideas, and
also the ability to find unusual ways out of a situation, to have
bright insights, to innovate, and is a common aspect among
reformers (Godefrey). The 10th harmonic inclines towards
playful creative activities with others (Cochrane). The 3/10
aspect inclines towards a refined and sensitive creative ability.

11th Harmonic
The 11th harmonic shows pure imagination and fantasy
(Marks). "Seymour-Smith says, '11H aspects manifest in a
very definite way and they indicate excess.' They also, accord-
ing to Williamsen, describe a `person's ability to integrate di-
versities and dualisms.' These interpretations are reconcilable:
the tension of `double-bind' situations, which can be external
-- where you are trapped by feelings of obligation or duty, but
cannot entirely please one or more people -- or internal -- the
tug between scepticism and faith -- is likely to lead to a type
of stress which in its turn will lead to excess in one form or
another."
(http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/
HTML/010557.html). The 1/11 aspect indicates the ability
to reach beyond oneself for help and to have a strong social
consciousness (Godefrey). The 11th harmonic is unstable,
Uranian, and hungry for something new, and is innovative
and impatient, and inclined to music and dance. Getting
enough sleep and avoiding too many stimulants is important.
(Cochrane).

12th Harmonic
The 12th harmonic combines soft (3) and hard (4) qualities
and represents basic resources available to the person. The
only uniquely 12th harmonic aspects are the 1/12 and 5/12
aspect and the 5/12 aspect (quincunx) is generally regarded
as creating some discomfort or adjustment that is needed
to be made by the two planets. The 1/12 aspect is usually
regarded as having a very minor influence.
•
13th Harmonic
The 13th harmonic is the one among the twelve and suggests
lordship (Addey). It seems to have a similar effect to the sign
of Scorpio. They both relate to death and rebirth, transforma
-
tion, as well as group resources and values (Marks). The 13th
harmonic indicates a sense of mission and purpose, a feeling
that one must achieve something great or unique. The 1/14
aspect indicates giving up what one has completed in order to
move on to the next cycle of activity (Godefrey).
•
14th Harmonic
The 14th harmonic indicates a shared sense of inner disci
-
pline and focus (Cochrane).
•
15th Harmonic
The 15th harmonic indicates a facility and easy in expressing
oneself creatively (Cochrane).
•
16th Harmonic
The 16th harmonic aspects are hard aspects that motivate
or stress a person (Uranian astrology). The 16th harmonic
aspects are motivating and challenging. They indicate the
person's inner motivation, which may not be conspicuous
from casually observing the person on a more superficial
level (Cochrane).
•
17th Harmonic
The 17th harmonic indicates a non-linear way of thinking that is
conducive to success in the arts and literature. Acting
and other ways of being involved in theatre are often, but not
always, strong interests. (Cochrane).
•
18th Harmonic
The 18th harmonic indicates a strong need to be a part of a
positive and harmonious community, to participate as an ap
-
preciated and respected member (Cochrane).
•
19th Harmonic
The 19th harmonic, like the 17th harmonic is inclined to pur
-
sue the arts, literature, and humanities. The 19th harmonic.
The 17th and 19th harmonics have a combined Venusian and
Mercurial quality, with the 17th harmonic being slightly more
Venusian and the 19th harmonic slightly more Mercurial. The
19th harmonic is inclined to be very abstract and cerebral, as
is the case with many artists and writers whose interests and
motivations can be a bit difficult for more earth-bound minds
to grasp (Cochrane).
•
20th Harmonic
The 20th harmonic indicates a need to create things and to
work in a creative way. The 20th harmonic aspects can be
-
come easily bored by repetitive tasks (Cochrane).
•
21st Harmonic
The 21st harmonic indicates the good focus and discipline
and the ability to develop excellent technique. The ability to
develop a natural flow and facility in a rigorous discipline.
The development of technical or mature competencies or to
develop talent with classical methods (Cochrane)
•
22nd Harmonic
The 22nd harmonic indicates restlessness and impatience and
the tendency to feel stifled by others (Cochrane).
•
23rd Harmonic
The 23rd harmonic indicates abstract thinking and an interest
in offbeat or unusual topics. This interpretation is tentative
and somewhat speculative (Cochrane).
•
24th Harmonic: The 5/24 aspect is a hybrid of the square and
sextile aspect, the 7/24 aspect is a hybrid of the square and
trine aspect, and the 11/24 aspect indicates an unrelenting
headstrong determination, with disruption and upheaval.
(Godefrey). The 24th harmonic indicates resources avail-
able to the person. The person is motivated to develop these
resources but not with the intensity of the hard aspects. The
meaning of hte 24th harmonic aspects is strongly influenced
by the numerator, and the 5/24 aspect is more subtle and
creative than the 11/24 aspect which is intensely motivating.
The 7/24 aspect is a bit constrained, introverted, and focused
(Cochrane). The 11/24 aspect indicates a tendency towards
being obsessive-compulsive (Ricki Reeves, Noel Tyl).
•
25th Harmonic
The 25th harmonic indicates an exceptionally creative
tendency. The person builds and develops things that are
inspired or very much outside the usual and accepted ways of
doing things (Cochrane).
•
26th Harmonic
The 26th harmonic indicates a competitive drive and a
distaste for mediocre results. Seeking a hero and the desire
to be involved with people who have great vision, talent, and
motivation. An overwhelming need to break through to a
new level of accomplishment (Cochrane).
•
27th Harmonic
The 27th harmonic indicates a deep need for peace and
comfort. A strong pacifist tedency and an unwillingness to be
involved in hostilities. A tendency to become ill or distraught
from being in an inharmonious atmosphere (Cochrane).
•
28th Harmonic
The 28th harmonic indicates a need for discipline and focus,
but also a tendency to feel stress and to feel constrained and
uncomfortable. A need to intensely focus and to find ways to
release tension (Cochrane)

29th Harmonic
The 29th harmonic, like the 23rd harmonic indicates an inter-
est in abstract ideas and unusual subjects. This interpretation
is tentative and somewhat speculative (Cochrane).
•
30th Harmonic
The 30th harmonic indicates good sensitivity and awareness
of different styles and viewpoints, and an ability to create
things that others find comfortable and aesthetically pleasing.
Understanding different aesthetic tastes (Cochrane).
•
31st Harmonic
The 31st harmonic is inclined to highly abstract ideas and an
interest in unusual subjects. The person is sensitive to lim-
its and barriers in various philosophies, traditions, artistic
styles, and belief systems. A tendency to feel concerned about
unanswered issues, contradiction, and enigmas including
ideas that cannot be fully grasped or understood such as,
for example, issues in quantum physics or how there can be
evil and a God, how communities and nations can advance
scientifically without harming nature, etc. This interpretation
is tentative and somewhat speculative. (Cochrane).
•
32nd Harmonic
The 32nd harmonic indicates inner drives, talents, and moti-
vations (Cochrane).
•
125th Harmonic
The 125th harmonic: Hard aspect of Mercury to Mars, Sat-
urn, Uranus, and Neptune in people who are blind.

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Originally posted by amelia28:
This has to be one of the greatest advances in astrological analysis of the last hundred years. What are "harmonics?" Just a mathematical rearrangement of the horoscope so that we can see particular features more clearly. It's something like taking a cross-section of a sample in biology and putting it under a microscope. How is it done?

By computer, of course. Please, PLEASE do not try to do the calculations by hand. If you do, you might see numbers in front of your face for a week. You would first have to assign numbers to all of the degrees of the zodiac, starting with the first degree of Aries as number one and ending with the last degree of Pisces as number 360. Then, you will have to give each planet a number, depending on the degree it happens to be in. It gets more complicated. You have to put in the minutes and seconds of arc as well.

Then you choose the harmonic that you want to examine. What next? Multiply ALL of those planetary position numbers by the number of the harmonic. Good luck! Oh, were not finished yet. Most of the numbers you will get are going to be over 360, but there are only 360 degrees in a circle. You will have to subtract 360 again and again until you get a number that is less than 360. After that, you can put the planets in the wheel. Unfortunately, by this time, you will probably be too exhausted to do an interpretation (or too crazed).

Or you can let a computer do it at the click of a mouse. The choice is yours. However, if you choose the first method, be sure to check your medical insurance first to see if it covers mental breakdowns.


Yeah, I used to do things like that back in the '90s. How I love the advancements of modern technology!

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Originally posted by amelia28:

Some VERY IMPORTANT words of caution:

1) DON'T EVER try to do aspects between harmonics of different numbers. They are totally different animals.


Oh, interesting. Are you saying we SHOULDN'T run synastry between a natal and a harmonic chart?

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Oh, interesting. Are you saying we SHOULDN'T run synastry between a natal and a harmonic chart?


I think he means that if you have sun in sag in harmonic 5 and in harmonic 6 you have moon in sag and they conjunct that you can't interpret that....

But everything I posted is stuff different astrologers say, I dont have an opinion on this personally bc I am just looking into it.

This is all new to me.

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The 9th Harmonic Chart
And Use of Additional Harmonic Charts
Moses Siregar III--copyright 2001-2002

I believe the most important harmonic chart to use is the 9th harmonic, and I want to stress this before I go on to talk about any other harmonic charts.

If you don't know what the harmonic charts are, i'll explain a little about them. Harmonic charts take a birth chart, and by slicing each degree up into a certain number of parts (based on the harmonic number), mix up the planets and angles in the chart. It's a little bit like throwing a deck of cards on the floor, mixing them up, and then picking them up again so that almost everything changes places. For example, Pluto might be found in a sign it hasn't transited for more than 300 years.

Now I'll explain how the 9th harmonic chart is determined. It is very complicated, so I do not recommend reading this paragraph unless you must know how the calculations are done. For each sign, the first ninth of that sign is made to equal the 30 degrees of the cardinal sign of that element. So the first ninth (three degrees and twenty minutes) of Aries, Leo, and Sag, represents the thirty degrees of Aries. Then the next ninth is Taurus, etc. etc. The first ninth of Gemini, Libra, or Aquarius, represents the first thirty degrees of Libra. So a planet in the first three degrees and twenty minutes of Aquarius, would be in Libra in the 9th harmonic chart. A planet in the second ninth (between 3.20 and 6.40) of Aquarius would be in Scorpio in the 9th harmonic chart. In this way, all of pieces of the chart are redistributed. Other harmonics have different rules, but the above is the method for determining the 9th harmonic.

I certainly have to give the credit to Vedic astrology for bringing the importance of the 9th harmonic to our attention; in jyotish the name of the 9th harmonic is the navamsa (pronounced: nuh vahm shuh) chart, and from what I understand, practically no jyotishi will analyze a chart without studying the 9th harmonic chart. I think it would greatly benefit those using western astrology to also consider the 9th harmonic of each chart.

The 9th harmonic chart is more subtle in nature than the birth chart. You might say it is the 'soul' of the person where the birth chart is the 'body.' The realities of the birth chart are much more concrete. The 9th harmonic is ephemeral, but can be very revealing. The number 9 in numerology is a spiritual number, and likewise, the 9th harmonic is of a subtle nature. Major features of the 9th harmonic will show you very important dimensions of a person which might not be so apparent from the birth chart. Sometimes aspects of a person that seem somewhat missing in their birth chart will show up very clearly in the 9th harmonic.

In India, a common sentiment about the 9th harmonic is that it shows the 'fruit' of the life, whereas the birth chart shows the 'tree.' Similarly, it is sometime said to show the second half of life, or at least, the condition of each of the planets as the person goes on in life. For example, someone's Sun might be very weak in the birth chart, but if it is strong in the navamsa chart, then the person's Solar qualities will strengthen throughout his or her life.

We might say that the 9th harmonic shows the latter part of life, because as one goes on in life, one is living more from their inner nature (9th harmonic), rather than the conditioned elements of their early and physical life (birth chart). It may be that the 9th harmonic is more evident as one goes on in life, because as we get older, we are less influenced by the conditioning of our early lives, and therefore more true to our inner, or soul, nature. But mainly, i would say that the 9th harmonic is like an etheric snapshot of the inner self.

In the 9th harmonic, i recommend looking for the basics, like a planet's sign, house placement, and aspects. By looking, at least briefly, at the 9th harmonic chart, you will likely see elements that confirm certain parts of the birth chart. This will give you more certainty in those aspects of the person. You may also see some major themes that were not so obvious in the birth chart. This may complicate things a bit, but it will allow you to see and understand the whole person better. I always look at someone's 9th harmonic western (and vedic) chart before doing a consultation with them.

How to Produce a Free 9th Harmonic Chart

To run off a copy of your 9th harmonic chart, if you do not have the software to do it, go to www.astro.com. After you enter your chart data, go to the 'Extended Chart Selection.' Under 'Please select the type of chart you want,' choose "Harmonic Chart (day -> harmonic number)." Then under 'start date for charts marked with' just enter '9' for the day's date (to give you the 9th harmonic). Then view the chart. You can look at the chart by finding the degree of the ASC, and drawing equal houses all the way around. Or--and this is better if the birth time isn't totally precise--draw whole-sign houses, where the sign that contains the ASC becomes the entire first house, and so on from there.

Know that the ASC changes very quickly in the 9th harmonic. Generally speaking, the 9th harmonic ASC will move 9 times faster than the regular ASC. On average, the ASC will change every 13 minutes. So you can see that the accuracy of the birth time is very important if you want an accurate 9th harmonic chart. If you have a rough birth time, it might be best to use a 9th harmonic solar chart, rather than an ASC chart, so you do risk interpreting a radically inaccurate chart.

Transits to the 9th Harmonic

I have seen that transits to the 9th harmonic have some validity, but in a subtle way, similar to the nature of the entire chart. To keep things simple, I might recommend just looking only at transiting conjunctions to the 9th harmonic chart. I also mainly recommend these transits only to clarify the nature of other major methods, such as standard transits and progressions (or dasas). To give credit, I believe it was astrologer Mumin Bey who first gave me the idea to look at this.

So what you might do is this: if a major event already shows up in regular transits or progressions (or dasa periods if you use vedic astrology), check what kind of transiting conjunctions are happening in the 9th harmonic chart--activity there might clarify things. I'll give you some personal examples.

When I had my second pass of my Jupiter return, I also had my 'Chiron return' in my 9th harmonic. This was when I started Grace Flower Essences. When I had my natal Chiron opposition, I also had my 'Pluto return' (never heard of that one, huh!?) in my 9th harmonic. I had a very painful separation in a relationship that stirred up old stuff. About a year later, I had transitting Pluto and Uranus quincunx my natal Moon. At the same time, I had my second pass of my 'Pluto return' in my 9th harmonic. This coincided with one of the most intense experiences of my life, another painful relationship separation that brought old stuff to the surface. At one point in 2001, I started a much stronger dasa period than I had previously been in. At the same time, Jupiter conjoined the Uranus in my 9th harmonic chart. I had a very positive experience in an online forum. Later that year, I started a weaker subperiod of that vedic dasa. At the same time, Saturn conjoined the Uranus in my 9th harmonic chart. I had a very negative experience in an online forum.

Here's what I would recommend:

1. Consider only transiting conjunctions to the 9th harmonic.
2. Do not consider the transited planet as a house lord; only consider it as in the sign that it is in.
3. Do not give too much weight to a 9th harmonic transit unless there are other similar factors from regular transits, progressions, dasa's, etc. 9th harmonic transits usually work--perhaps 80% of the time--but sometimes will not.
4. When 9th harmonic transits do work, they are sometimes very clear, and sometimes subtle in their process of manifestation.
5. If the birthtime is completely accurate--to the minute--then, using equal house system based on the 9th harmonic ASC, transits through the houses can be considered.
6. The timing of transits to the 9th harmonic may not be perfectly precise, although often they do seem to be.

Unless you have done a fair amount of research into this, it might be better to just look into these transits for your own chart, or those close to you, rather than with clients (if you do astrology professionally). To really understand these transits, I should also spent much more time studying them, but I feel good about the guidelines I've listed above. If you find anything in your own research into this, please email me and let me know.

Using Other Harmonics Beside the 9th

I do have some leads into what some of the other harmonic charts might show. But for now, I'm not going to suggest this, because I want to emphasize the 9th harmonic as primary. I will offer one suggestion for how to use the other harmonics, though.

Using the harmonics is a good way to gain more insight into the nature of each individual aspect in a chart. If you wanted to gain more insight into the nature of a particular trine, you could look at the 3rd harmonic chart, and see where the two planets are conjunct. They are likely to be in the same sign and house, and this will tell you a lot more about the nature of this planetary aspect, such as how it is likely to express or direct itself. This is a list of which harmonic to look at to find each aspect as a conjunction:

Opposition: 2nd harmonic
Trine: 3rd
Square: 4th
Quintile: 5th
Sextile: 6th
Septile: 7th
Semi-square: 8th
Novile: 9th

All of the above natal aspects will show up as a conjunction in the relevant harmonic. This is well-worth looking into, and very accurate in what it reveals.

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Thanks for all that info, Amelia

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Oh, interesting. Are you saying we SHOULDN'T run synastry between a natal and a harmonic chart?

It depends how we view harmonic charts.

If using them as a harmonic astrologer like Bob Marks never ever compare 11th to natal, because they are two different beasts.

the 11th harmonic chart itself will reveal all the aspects of the 11th harmonic series (and some other too), but comparing natal to 11th harmonic does not reveal any existing aspects at all.

The reason for that is that the signs are actually not meaning anything in harmonic charts, but are being used to measure the aspectual relations, which is only valid WITHIN that chart.


that would be harmonic astrology


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however the Indian have been doing it all along, comparing Rasi and Navamsha for example. In this way both charts are treated more or less as symbolical charts, and in this way there seems to be resonance.

It depends a little what you find more logical. I tend to experiement with both, but keep firmly in mind that ONLY the harmonic charts to themselves reveal real aspects, the other comparision is symbolical in nature.

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My 11th:
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his 11th:

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btw I love the book by Hamblin.

He recommends these orbs:
synastric:

I am using the suggested orbs of David Hamblin (it is half the orb he uses for radical harmonics). he also pays most attention to the close aspects. I add the orbs for close aspects in brackets.

conjunction: 6° (1°)
opposition: 3° (30`)
trine: 2° (20`)
square: 1°30 (15`)
sextile: 1° (10`)
semisextil/
quinkunx: 30`(05`)

for the radical harmonics (your own) the orbs are doubled, 12° for conjunction for example, 6° for opposition.
These orbs look weird but have the advantage that the orbs stay consistent through the harmonics. And a conjunction in the 4th harmonic for example, using 12 degrees, would appear as a square of 3 degrees in the natal. Quite reasonable me thinks.

This way we are picking up the minor aspects, but only those which are very tight. Plus looking at different harmonics, it is easy to see how very tight aspects will turn up in EVERY harmonic, or almost every, depending on how close the orb is exactly, which is one reason in my opinion that the close aspects seem to vibrate so strongly.

For example my parents have an Isis-Osiris-opposition in their synastry which is exact, and it stays intact in pretty much every harmonic


My tightest aspect natally is Juno trine Saturn with only 1 minute of orb. It is there in every harmonic I looked at (appearing as different aspects of course, sometimes a trine, sometimes a conjunction or opposition, depends on the number of the harmonic. Here in 11th it is a trine as you can see, like in the natal chart).

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As for our respective 11th chart, in mine it is obvious that I have a GRand trine of

ASC/Parvati - Siva - Alma

Plus Eros/Amor - Psyche- opposition.


for him
he has a Siva-Parvati-conjunction in his


I find that interesting as in our composite our Alma-Juno-conjunction is also conjuncting Parvati, right on 00 Gemini.

seems a bit of a theme there

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