posted July 24, 2014 11:41 PM            

1) If the guy has Pluto (H12 Libra) conjunct her Moon (H2 Libra) at 1 Orb while the girl has her Pluto (H2 Libra) trine his Moon (H8 Gemini)

2) If she has Pluto conjunct Moon natal (10 orb) and he has Pluto trine Moon natal (5 orb)

Who is going to feel this more?

posted July 25, 2014 01:03 AM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
How exactly does a double whammy Pluto/Moon play out in following scenarios:

1) If the guy has Pluto (H12 Libra) conjunct her Moon (H2 Libra) at 1 Orb while the girl has her Pluto (H2 Libra) trine his Moon (H8 Gemini)

2) If she has Pluto conjunct Moon natal (10 orb) and he has Pluto trine Moon natal (5 orb)

Who is going to feel this more?

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The guys sounds most plutonian, but it depends on his other pluto aspect, and if one of them has scorp sun/asc…

posted July 25, 2014 01:54 AM            

For example - I have a natal MOON conj PLUTO 6° (aspecting). Someone my age will have PLUTO in roughly the same spot, so my MOON will "feel" pretty much the same as usual about anyone else's PLUTO. MOON-MOON aspects are more important in this situation.

If there is a wide enough gap in age, then PLUTO will have moved enough to exert a new and different orb of influence. I may have a natal MOON-PLUTO conjunction, but someone 4 yrs younger than me has PLUTO in a new spot. While I may be unaffected by this new PLUTO (which has moved out of range), if the other person has their MOON conjunct mine in synastry, they will get the jab from my PLUTO. This means I will feel "like normal", but for them, who is not used to Plutonian energies, it will be a shocker.

posted July 25, 2014 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Take the ages of each party into account. If they are close in age, then one or both of the persons will have a natal MOON-PLUTO aspect already, since PLUTO moves very slowly. This person will be "used to" Plutonian energies in respect to their own natal MOON, and it shouldn't vary too far from the everyday effects on their own.

For example - I have a natal MOON conj PLUTO 6° (aspecting). Someone my age will have PLUTO in roughly the same spot, so my MOON will "feel" pretty much the same as usual about anyone else's PLUTO. MOON-MOON aspects are more important in this situation.

If there is a wide enough gap in age, then PLUTO will have moved enough to exert a new and different orb of influence. I may have a natal MOON-PLUTO conjunction, but someone 4 yrs younger than me has PLUTO in a new spot. While I may be unaffected by this new PLUTO (which has moved out of range), if the other person has their MOON conjunct mine in synastry, they will get the jab from my PLUTO. This means I will feel "like normal", but for them, who is not used to Plutonian energies, it will be a shocker.

Moving even further in age, that is when PLUTO begins to really shine as an individual, because the energy and manifestations begin to greatly differ. In this case, particularly in the case of a DW, I'd say the exchange is fairly equal as to who "feels it".

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Oh that's interesting--so my moon will conjunct everyone's Pluto in my age range...:/ This means they all have emotional power over me??

posted July 25, 2014 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
Oh that's interesting--so my moon will conjunct everyone's Pluto in my age range...:/ This means they all have emotional power over me??

How does the Pluto person feel vs Moon person?

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Not quite.

A natal MOON-PLUTO conjunction indicates the native has deeply intense emotions across the board, may be adept at using their own emotions to manipulate others, or have the ability to effectively transmute their emotions into something productive (or destructive, as should be the case). PLUTO lends transformative power to the native, and can be useful in occupations such as therapy or psychoanalysis. It lends an intuitive insight into things hidden in the dark or under the surface. It can also attune one to aspects of the occult or supernatural, especially if placed in the 8H or 12H.

In synastry, it means the native is not waylaid or susceptible to PLUTO as keenly due to their innate experience with PLUTO from birth. The only exception to this might be if the other person has a more exact aspect to your MOON than you do in your natal. That could be considered like something of "an edge", but still doesn't completely discount a native's lifelong experience.

Someone who does not already have a natal MOON-PLUTO contact will be surprised, overrun, and probably terrified of PLUTO's influence, since they've never had to deal with it before. PLUTO has power, and will manipulate a person either consciously or not. The MOON will be swept away by such intensity they have never felt before.

posted July 25, 2014 04:38 PM            

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Not quite.

A natal MOON-PLUTO conjunction indicates the native has deeply intense emotions across the board, may be adept at using their own emotions to manipulate others, or have the ability to effectively transmute their emotions into something productive (or destructive, as should be the case). PLUTO lends transformative power to the native, and can be useful in occupations such as therapy or psychoanalysis. It lends an intuitive insight into things hidden in the dark or under the surface. It can also attune one to aspects of the occult or supernatural, especially if placed in the 8H or 12H.

In synastry, it means the native is not waylaid or susceptible to PLUTO as keenly due to their innate experience with PLUTO from birth. The only exception to this might be if the other person has a more exact aspect to your MOON than you do in your natal. That could be considered like something of "an edge", but still doesn't completely discount a native's lifelong experience.

Someone who does not already have a natal MOON-PLUTO contact will be surprised, overrun, and probably terrified of PLUTO's influence, since they've never had to deal with it before. PLUTO has power, and will manipulate a person either consciously or not. The MOON will be swept away by such intensity they have never felt before.

PLUTO is not bad. It's just an incredible force to be reckoned with. Natal conjunctions give a person an invaluable tool in life.

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posted July 25, 2014 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Not quite.

A natal MOON-PLUTO conjunction indicates the native has deeply intense emotions across the board, may be adept at using their own emotions to manipulate others, or have the ability to effectively transmute their emotions into something productive (or destructive, as should be the case). PLUTO lends transformative power to the native, and can be useful in occupations such as therapy or psychoanalysis. It lends an intuitive insight into things hidden in the dark or under the surface. It can also attune one to aspects of the occult or supernatural, especially if placed in the 8H or 12H.

In synastry, it means the native is not waylaid or susceptible to PLUTO as keenly due to their innate experience with PLUTO from birth. The only exception to this might be if the other person has a more exact aspect to your MOON than you do in your natal. That could be considered like something of "an edge", but still doesn't completely discount a native's lifelong experience.

Someone who does not already have a natal MOON-PLUTO contact will be surprised, overrun, and probably terrified of PLUTO's influence, since they've never had to deal with it before. PLUTO has power, and will manipulate a person either consciously or not. The MOON will be swept away by such intensity they have never felt before.

PLUTO is not bad. It's just an incredible force to be reckoned with. Natal conjunctions give a person an invaluable tool in life.

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This is true. I have a natal Moon-Pluto conj. 3°. Moon is my chart ruler, so I feel it strongly. My Moon-Pluto also squares my Sun con. Venus very tightly. So, I'm very, very used to Pluto energy. People close to my age all have their Pluto on my Moon and square my Sun-Venus, but it doesn't have as strong of an effect on me since I have it natally... like Blind writer was saying.

The only time in my life when someone's Pluto hit me in a nuclear way was someone who's Pluto conj. my IC by 1° in my 4th. I've never felt anything like I felt that. The power of it is overwhelming. I'm actually surprised that it hit me so hard since I'm so used to Pluto energy, but it did. The angles are just so much more sensitive to conjunctions.

posted July 25, 2014 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
This is true. I have a natal Moon-Pluto conj. 3°. Moon is my chart ruler, so I feel it strongly. My Moon-Pluto also squares my Sun con. Venus very tightly. So, I'm very, very used to Pluto energy. People close to my age all have their Pluto on my Moon and square my Sun-Venus, but it doesn't have as strong of an effect on me since I have it natally... like Blind writer was saying.

The only time in my life when someone's Pluto hit me in a nuclear way was someone who's Pluto conj. my IC by 1° in my 4th. I've never felt anything like I felt that. The power of it is overwhelming. I'm actually surprised that it hit me so hard since I'm so used to Pluto energy, but it did. The angles are just so much more sensitive to conjunctions.

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Not just angles in general - the fact it was IC, classically ruled by the MOON, your chart ruler, that made it such a potent experience. Where is your conjunction natally? Mine happens to be in 8H, along with a couple other planets, which amplifies the general Plutonian influence.

I'm attracted to people with prominent Scorpionic energies, both romantically and in friendships. The main dispositors in my chart are PLUTO and VENUS (they rule each other), so I'm quite familiar with dealing with PLUTO, too. I get hit strongly by people slightly older than me (filling the gap between my natal PLUTO and MOON), or those about 4 or so years younger (where PLUTO begin to aspect my VENUS).

Let's just not mention the JUNO and BML conj to PLUTO, shall we?

posted July 25, 2014 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Not just angles in general - the fact it was IC, classically ruled by the MOON, your chart ruler, that made it such a potent experience. Where is your conjunction natally? Mine happens to be in 8H, along with a couple other planets, which amplifies the general Plutonian influence.

I'm attracted to people with prominent Scorpionic energies, both romantically and in friendships. The main dispositors in my chart are PLUTO and VENUS (they rule each other), so I'm quite familiar with dealing with PLUTO, too. I get hit strongly by people slightly older than me (filling the gap between my natal PLUTO and MOON), or those about 4 or so years younger (where PLUTO begin to aspect my VENUS).

Let's just not mention the JUNO and BML conj to PLUTO, shall we?

I think the MOON in particular is sensitive to PLUTO energy as a fellow water sign ruler, and by virtue as a "reflective" luminary.

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Woah, you have Moon-Pluto in 8th? That's like Moon-Pluto to the second power. You must have X-ray like insights

I'm the same way on being attracted to Plutonians. I guess having Pluto on my Moon and square Sun and Venus, with those all being relating planets, it makes me almost have to have Plutonic energy for there to even be an attraction. I just need that depth in my interactions.

My Moon-Pluto is in late Virgo in my 3rd house and my Sun and Venus are in late Gemini. That helps me to feel a little lighter, so I don't act all broody or anything. I do like the depth and intensity to be there, though, even if it's just a strong undercurrent.

posted July 25, 2014 09:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Woah, you have Moon-Pluto in 8th? That's like Moon-Pluto to the second power. You must have X-ray like insights

I'm the same way on being attracted to Plutonians. I guess having Pluto on my Moon and square Sun and Venus, with those all being relating planets, it makes me almost have to have Plutonic energy for there to even be an attraction. I just need that depth in my interactions.

My Moon-Pluto is in late Virgo in my 3rd house and my Sun and Venus are in late Gemini. That helps me to feel a little lighter, so I don't act all broody or anything. I do like the depth and intensity to be there, though, even if it's just a strong undercurrent.

With the man who's Pluto is conjunct my IC 1°, I think what you said is right. It probably does feel so strong to
me because of IC being a lunar angle. With Moon being my chart ruler, it probably hit me extra hard. How do you think Pluto feels about the IC in that situation. I've tried to figure it out, but I'm still not clear on it. I'd like to know how my IC will make his Pluto feel. I know when Pluto hits someone's AC or DC, they usually are drawn to the angle or may want to control or exert power or influence over the AC or DC owner. How would Pluto on IC be? Any theories?

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Hah, x-ray vision! XD I have natal MERCURY conj URANUS 1° in Scorpio too - my insight is generally quite good. PSYCHE trine MOON 0°. TELEPHUS conj SUN 0°. I have a Libra MOON, so it pays off in matters of resolving or avoiding conflicts.

Since my VENUS is in Scorpio, I can relate - I need that intensity, as well. Otherwise, what is there to get fired up about?

3H isn't a bad placement. It gives a mouthpiece to your emotions, and that articulation is important when relating to others. Are you rapid-fire about mood swings, though? It's a strange combination of the super-vortex that is PLUTO and the in-and-out nature of the 3H.

IC is inherently defensive, and resistant to probing. Even though that is PLUTO's specialty, I would say it's still no easy feat. That places both on more equal footing. MOON and PLUTO are fairly amiable to each other, if a bit tight-lipped about it.

PLUTO-IC connection may indicate a kind of possessiveness on the PLUTO person's part of the IC person - like they must protect them, or take them under their wing, even if the IC person resists the notion. PLUTO wants to needle its way in, stake claim on that private space, and fill in all the little cracks. PLUTO can be obsessive about the things they find intriguing.

IC person may be comforted by that omnipresence in relationships they approve of, but greatly distressed by those they don't - and suffer an inability to effectively "push away" or have privacy. The IC person may also attempt to enclose PLUTO within its walls and trap them there.

posted July 25, 2014 10:08 PM            

On the mood swings, thankfully, no, I don't have a lot of mood swings. It seems like I should with my Moon in 3rd and my Mars in Cancer, but I don't. I think my Pluto being conjunct my Moon anchors my emotions a lot. They're very deep, but not topsy-turvy.

Thank you so much for your insights into the Pluto-IC conjunction. I don't have a romantic relationship with this person. He is just someone who has had a profoundly deep impact on me.

posted July 25, 2014 11:01 PM            

In between my Moon/Pluto (10 orb) is my PoF and NN (that is conjunct my Pluto exact)--do those 2 things add a personality to my Pluto/Moon?

I'll add I have Venus in Libra too (not conjunct those)--but it is considered the biggest dominant in a Pullen Chart and so I wonder if it adds a personality to my Pluto. Also is the Dispositor. My Venus falls over into H3--so maybe it does not since the rest are in H2. Vesta is conjunct my Pluto/NN as well...LOTS of activity in my Libra!

posted July 25, 2014 11:11 PM            

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IC is inherently defensive, and resistant to probing. Even though that is PLUTO's specialty, I would say it's still no easy feat. That places both on more equal footing. MOON and PLUTO are fairly amiable to each other, if a bit tight-lipped about it.

PLUTO-IC connection may indicate a kind of possessiveness on the PLUTO person's part of the IC person - like they must protect them, or take them under their wing, even if the IC person resists the notion. PLUTO wants to needle its way in, stake claim on that private space, and fill in all the little cracks. PLUTO can be obsessive about the things they find intriguing.

IC person may be comforted by that omnipresence in relationships they approve of, but greatly distressed by those they don't - and suffer an inability to effectively "push away" or have privacy. The IC person may also attempt to enclose PLUTO within its walls and trap them there.

I know that among family members, PLUTO-IC conjunction can be an indicator of rebellious power play between parent and child. My sister has her PLUTO conj my dad's IC 0°. She was a trouble child. As the PLUTO person, she tried exerting control, while my dad tried to contain her. He had mixed success because both my parents are Cancers (not to mention my sister is a Cancer MOON, contrasting my dad's Scorpio MOON), lol.[/B]

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posted July 26, 2014 02:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Woah, you have Moon-Pluto in 8th? That's like Moon-Pluto to the second power. You must have X-ray like insights :)

I'm the same way on being attracted to Plutonians. I guess having Pluto on my Moon and square Sun and Venus, with those all being relating planets, it makes me almost have to have Plutonic energy for there to even be an attraction. I just need that depth in my interactions.

My Moon-Pluto is in late Virgo in my 3rd house and my Sun and Venus are in late Gemini. That helps me to feel a little lighter, so I don't act all broody or anything. I do like the depth and intensity to be there, though, even if it's just a strong undercurrent.

With the man who's Pluto is conjunct my IC 1°, I think what you said is right. It probably does feel so strong to
me because of IC being a lunar angle. With Moon being my chart ruler, it probably hit me extra hard. How do you think Pluto feels about the IC in that situation. I've tried to figure it out, but I'm still not clear on it. I'd like to know how my IC will make his Pluto feel. I know when Pluto hits someone's AC or DC, they usually are drawn to the angle or may want to control or exert power or influence over the AC or DC owner. How would Pluto on IC be? Any theories?

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posted July 26, 2014 03:33 AM            

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Hi WildHorses,
I typed a detailed reply to this post. I dont know how it disappeared. Im on my phone. This happens to me all the time.
I wanna reply to this thread.
My husband's Pluto &desc are on my IC,Vertex and Saturn. Also we have a Moon-Pluto double whammy. Like you,moon is my chart ruler. Pluto rules his 8th house.
Pluto-IC is too intense. This aspect is extremely hard to ignore. I couldnt. It wont be your regular girl met boy love story. This will definitely transform you. Bring major upheavals in your personal life. Pluto would want to know everything about you. Best thing you could do for your relationship is not lie about anything.
Dont try to deceive. If u do,he will know. And that could lead to a lifetime of manipulation,unhealthy obsessive love. Pluto could love you in the most tenderest of ways. As long as he knows he has your heart and soul. Definitely NOT for the faint hearted. This could be your most passionately obsessive love.N i dont think once you are together,you can walk away!
And Pluto will be very protective of you. Your moon will crave it.
I typed this in a hurry. Couldnt elaborate. My friends are here. Take care : )

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Wow! Thank you so, so much for your detailed post.

This person's Ceres is conjunct his Pluto, so his Ceres is also conjunct my IC in my 4th. It makes him seem extremely nurturing.

Your synastry aspects sound so powerful. You must share a tremendously deep love. With his DC being involved, it must have been even stronger.

Thank you so much for taking the time to give me insight into this aspect.

posted July 26, 2014 03:55 AM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
My Pluto/Moon is in H2 in Libra--but is squared by my Cancer H11 Jupiter. Does that also "expand" the Moon/Pluto level?

In between my Moon/Pluto (10 orb) is my PoF and NN (that is conjunct my Pluto exact)--do those 2 things add a personality to my Pluto/Moon?

I'll add I have Venus in Libra too (not conjunct those)--but it is considered the biggest dominant in a Pullen Chart and so I wonder if it adds a personality to my Pluto. Also is the Dispositor. My Venus falls over into H3--so maybe it does not since the rest are in H2. Vesta is conjunct my Pluto/NN as well...LOTS of activity in my Libra!

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posted July 26, 2014 05:46 AM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
My Pluto/Moon is in H2 in Libra--but is squared by my Cancer H11 Jupiter. Does that also "expand" the Moon/Pluto level?

In between my Moon/Pluto (10 orb) is my PoF and NN (that is conjunct my Pluto exact)--do those 2 things add a personality to my Pluto/Moon?

I'll add I have Venus in Libra too (not conjunct those)--but it is considered the biggest dominant in a Pullen Chart and so I wonder if it adds a personality to my Pluto. Also is the Dispositor. My Venus falls over into H3--so maybe it does not since the rest are in H2. Vesta is conjunct my Pluto/NN as well...LOTS of activity in my Libra!

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JUPITER square your MOON-PLUTO can bring out the less pleasant aspects of a MOON-PLUTO conjunction, such as obsession or overbearingness. You may come on too strongly, especially with that Cancer flavor added into the mix. An orb of 10° is really wide though, even for an aspecting luminary. The effect isn't as strong.

JUPITER in 11H lends great likability with your friends - they consider you like family, but your moral expectations of others may be too high in general. You might subconsciously be forcing your ideals on others. Look for a soft aspect out of either your JUPITER or your MOON-PLUTO to channel that energy in a positive way.

The nodal axis is like a guiding light in your life. Master what your SN points you to, and you will be able to move forward toward your NN with clarity and success. Your PoF is areas of life you will find satisfaction. Since these are both sandwiched between your MOON and PLUTO, that indicates emotional transmutation is a highlight for you.

VENUS as dispositor adds natural charm and appeal to PLUTO's energy, making it attractive. As for VESTA, that's your blood, sweat, and tears at work there. You're a dog with a bone. You may hold grudges, or stubbornly cling to things. Perhaps a miserly or posessive attitude toward things you've earned, or things you feel entitled to.

posted July 26, 2014 07:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
JUPITER square your MOON-PLUTO can bring out the less pleasant aspects of a MOON-PLUTO conjunction, such as obsession or overbearingness. You may come on too strongly, especially with that Cancer flavor added into the mix. An orb of 10° is really wide though, even for an aspecting luminary. The effect isn't as strong.

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Blind writer, can I pick at your brain a little more? Would the above quote apply for synastry as well? He and I have a double whammy of Jupiter square Moon 1°. His Jupiter squares my Moon-Pluto 1°, and my Jupiter squares his Aries Moon 1°.

posted July 26, 2014 08:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Blind writer, can I pick at your brain a little more? Would the above quote apply for synastry as well? He and I have a double whammy of Jupiter square Moon 1°. His Jupiter squares my Moon-Pluto 1°, and my Jupiter squares his Aries Moon 1°.

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The effect is softer in synastry. JUPITER in synastry is almost always a positive influence.

JUPITER square MOON implies the MOON person can be drawn out quite readily by the JUPITER person into new and different situations or mindsets that they would normally avoid due to discomfort or habit, while still feeling relatively safe.

JUPITER can act as an optimistic support during tough times - a shoulder to cry on, or personal cheerleader. MOON can rely on JUPITER to drag them out to cheer them up, when needed. JUPITER is about as subtle as a beast, but always has the best intentions in mind, lol. Like MOON's big brother.

This is different from conjunctions, which act more as amplifiers, or oppositions, which encourage boldness and open-sleeve honesty. Trines are like a re-direct, or "follow the leader", without much looking over the shoulder - MOON has more freedom to move as it wants. Squares act like a strongarm, but you can't really begrudge JUPITER for it since you know there's no malice intended.

posted July 26, 2014 08:22 AM            

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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
Asc and Nn on IC? Awww thats soo sweet. My Asc and NN conjunct my husband's IC : ))

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posted July 26, 2014 08:52 AM            

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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
I dont find it a hurdle at all.. how would you interpret this aspect?

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posted July 26, 2014 09:34 AM            

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I think it's much different for someone with AC-NN than AC-SN. AC is more personal and readily adaptable by the native, so with NN, they are free to progress at their own pace. Since my NN is on my DC, a cooperative angle, it's entirely up to all the contacts I make in life, for good or not. Many missteps, stumbles, and upsets along the way.

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