posted July 30, 2014 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
Look into that aspect. Leeloo has a post on Klotho and Atropos in Composite somewhere.

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I'll take a look . Thank you!
What confuses me is atropos. I started a thread about it a long time ago & still am confused.
Is it "THE END" meaning goodbye?
Or the "end result"? Meaning if your atropos falls on someone's juno (as an example) it could signify a committed relationship as the end of the story?
It's confusing!

posted July 30, 2014 07:27 PM            

This particular Uranus/Pluto square was significant for my twin relationship:

November 1, 2013 - Uranus 9 Aries 25 R, Pluto 9 Capricorn 25

My twin and I met at a spiritual retreat in August 2012, but we did not maintain contact with each other afterwards until seeing each other again at another retreat with the same spiritual teacher in early November 2013. The dates of the November 2013 retreat were the 5th through the 12th. Although we were very drawn to each other at the August 2012 retreat, and there was mutual recognition of some type of connection, thankfully the twin flame energy did not get activated until our second meeting in November 2013.

posted July 30, 2014 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Scomoon:
Hi, I was reading your stories and are pretty amazing. I think we share some similarities. Like many of you I was married too and I've a son. This year I decided that I coudn't keep going on, I needed to be honest with myself and what my soul was asking for.
The day I broke up with my husband I was going with my mom and my son to my parents' house to spend the weekend. When I was getting to the bus stop I saw he was there (my TF) waiting for the bus too. Imagine my shocking face!! I remember saying in my mind to my spiritual guides:" you really know what you're doing ha?"
Recently I checked the sinastry between that meeting and myself. It drew my attention that transit psych was conj. my eros, so I think it must mean something at these "casual" meetings.
Here's the chart: http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=s&gi f=astro_61gw_01_02_me_xxx.4950.25785.gif&res=100&va=&cid=b84fileIXNR9N-u1406769466
Thanks for sharing your stories, it's been really helpful.

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Nice Psyche-Eros conjunction. Also the pluto/uranus sq was setting up again beginning of April. Actually, it was a grand cross with Jupiter and Mars. And there was a blood moon eclipse in April. Transiting Pluto sq your natal Pluto, transiting Uranus/Sun oppose your pluto and t Mars was cj Pluto! Transiting Uranus/Sun also trined your Sun/Neptune and Mars. An important day for you for sure! I like to use love/fate asteroids when I look at charts. It becomes kind of addictive. Karma 3811, Destinn 6583, Cupido 763,Angel 11911, valentine 447 for a start.

posted July 30, 2014 11:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I had a solar return on one of the eclipse dates, nov 27th, that year was the first birthday I had that I celebrated....N actually tried to understand why ppl celebrated holidays n birthdays.

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Wasn't that eclipse at 6 sag...on your Sun, Mercury and Neptune?

posted July 30, 2014 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by BeTrue77:
KarmicMoon,

This particular Uranus/Pluto square was significant for my twin relationship:

November 1, 2013 - Uranus 9 Aries 25 R, Pluto 9 Capricorn 25

My twin and I met at a spiritual retreat in August 2012, but we did not maintain contact with each other afterwards until seeing each other again at another retreat with the same spiritual teacher in early November 2013. The dates of the November 2013 retreat were the 5th through the 12th. Although we were very drawn to each other at the August 2012 retreat, and there was mutual recognition of some type of connection, thankfully the twin flame energy did not get activated until our second meeting in November 2013.

It is interesting to know about the Uranus/Pluto square going on at that time, with Uranus at 9 degrees, because my Chiron is at 9 degrees Aries, and my twin's Venus is at 10 degrees Aries. Also, between 9 and 12 degrees of Gemini lie his Mars, my Mars, his Chiron and my Venus, and his moon is 10 degrees Aquarius, so it looks as though Uranus was heavily impacting both of us at that time. No wonder - that explains so much!

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posted July 30, 2014 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
I'll take a look . Thank you!
What confuses me is atropos. I started a thread about it a long time ago & still am confused.
Is it "THE END" meaning goodbye?
Or the "end result"? Meaning if your atropos falls on someone's juno (as an example) it could signify a committed relationship as the end of the story?

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posted July 31, 2014 06:51 AM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
It's confusing to me too. I rarely use them myself because of that. It just seems like such an important placement. I tend to go with Atropos meaning the final outcome more then the end. Even in death, I don't believe that is final.

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posted July 31, 2014 07:30 AM            

Kathartic breakdown for me. Letting go of another crush or hope or whatever. Started with a film actually, on the day after seeing Mr Sag, though this did not technically have to do with him.

This other one had been rummaging through my mind. But the film, it was actually two sequences:

" Do you think we'll ever see Dad again?

No, sweetheart.

Never.

So you have to stop waiting."

Well, not technically about my Dad, who is very much part of our life still, but I think this related back to that feeling I had for another man (a fixed idea, I had been clinging to for too long,e ven when I knew it was a fixed idea, and there was not even any real emotional attachment left, it just felt "safer" to long for that impossible dream).

And in that moment (it was actually two men that were on my mind very visually just then) - that line, it broke me.

I started crying, and was going under the shower, first time I was taking a shower crying. And I remember I stepped out of it, looking into the mirror. I actually weirdly watched myself crying, and I heard myself form the words (not sure where they really came from):

"He`s gone. He`s really gone and he is never going to come back."

Well I calmed down, dried myself, got back into the room where the TV-was still running.

And this line, monologue came:

"You made my life, Holly,
but I'm just one chapter in yours.

There'll be more.

I promise.

So here it comes, the big one.

Don't be afraid to fall in love again.

Watch out for that signal
when life as you know it ends."

Well, when I had been thinking I was crying before, well, now the gates were REALLY opened.

it was weirdly, like I could almost observe, and know EXACTLY the point when the old died and life began anew.

I needed this hour or night though to let the old dream die. For real. I mean it was like letting a safety-net melt into nothing, dissolve, realizing life HAS no safety nets, and it takes a risk to feel. And yes there will be pain, but trying to avoid this pain, does not make it painless, the pain is just different, number, and it keeps you in an immovable, paralysed state.

And all of that just because of the way Mr Sag had been looking at me the night before.

To break it down in astroterms, that night I had:

n Venus 6.07 Capricorn
n Pluto 9.04 Libra
pr ASC 8.00 Capricorn

Tr Venus 5.52 Cancer
Tr Moon 7.22 Cancer
Tr Pluto 7.15 Capricorn
Tr Uranus 8.09 Aries

so not only there was a Venus-Pluto-square in the transits mirroring my natal one, but it was interlocking with my natal one, heated up by Uranus and brought into action by the Moon (that was showing it had to be THAT night).

One of the most kathartic experiences of my life. So kathartic in fact that afterwards I pushed it down again. lol
But eventually it prepared the change I started to implement for REAL from november/ december 2012.

posted August 01, 2014 07:34 AM            

Isn't it funny what can set us off, like those lines from a movie? Sometimes it's like a direct message from the universe. Very cathartic to let stuff go!

posted August 01, 2014 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
but I don't think I would go back if I could. I'm more ME now.

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I am sorry about your Mom, but yes, that what you wrote there, same here. Not that I have a choice, I COULD not go back, even if I wanted to (and I sort of tried. lol) but honestly I have never been happier in my life, and that is because I am ME, as you wrote it.

posted August 01, 2014 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by olgatheo:
met him on the 29. nov. 2011 my Dad bought him home, It was awkward !!!
Things evolved by May 2012, but by 6 june 2012 , Eclipse , venus transit over Sun .... conj. My Asc, Mars, BML, valentine, anteros ....it became something more !!!

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posted August 01, 2014 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I am sorry about your Mom, but yes, that what you wrote there, same here. Not that I have a choice, I COULD not go back, even if I wanted to (and I sort of tried. lol) but honestly I have never been happier in my life, and that is because I am ME, as you wrote it.

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posted August 02, 2014 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
That is awkward! Are you still together? Was the eclipse on your Sun?

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posted August 02, 2014 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Really? I feel opposite. Aspects to my VX feel much more workable to me, despite AVX being in my 1H. I view the AVX as the "DC" to VX's "AC", so inherently more difficult to steer.

Ex: Your VENUS on my VX vs. KD's VENUS on my AVX.

It could be by virtue of sign, perhaps. Hardworking Virgo vs the elusive Pisces. Or maybe it's due to VESTA conj VX.

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Could be. I've recently had an experience that's shown me how my AVX is activated when I make one strong move towards my spiritual development and then everything falls into place; follows suit.

Best example: the tSUN-JUPITER on my nAVX. WOW.

I've also discovered in synastry, when one's JUPITER is conjunct or parallel your AVX, they are a key component of your destiny. Through them, you can find such cherished goals realised.

I have this. It's the parallel. (This makes it contraparallel to the VX, as destiny is a component of karma and fate -- RESOLVED karma.) Since his JUPITER is his chartruler, it's got a doubly beneficial effect; my AVX disposits to my SUN, which is in 2H, and is my 12R.

There's this cool, karma clearing synergy going on between us, especially in our work.

posted August 02, 2014 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
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I've also discovered in synastry, when one's JUPITER is conjunct or parallel your AVX, they are a key component of your destiny. Through them, you can find such cherished goals realised.

I have this. It's the parallel. (This makes it contraparallel to the VX, as destiny is a component of karma and fate -- RESOLVED karma.) Since his JUPITER is his chartruler, it's got a doubly beneficial effect; my AVX disposits to my SUN, which is in 2H, and is my 12R.
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Indigo, very interesting about Jupiter and AVX.

I just discovered that Jupiter of my SM (the ruler of his Sun) is loosely conjunct, but tightly PARALLEL my VX (plus my own Jupiter that conjuncts my VX).

You explained about Jupiter-AVX, what about this combination in synastry, Jupiter-VX?

posted August 02, 2014 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

I've also discovered in synastry, when one's JUPITER is conjunct or parallel your AVX, they are a key component of your destiny. Through them, you can find such cherished goals realised.

I have this. It's the parallel. (This makes it contraparallel to the VX, as destiny is a component of karma and fate -- RESOLVED karma.) Since his JUPITER is his chartruler, it's got a doubly beneficial effect; my AVX disposits to my SUN, which is in 2H, and is my 12R.

There's this cool, karma clearing synergy going on between us, especially in our work.

And -- cross your fingers -- but I just might get my series picked up by Netflix in 2016.

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Interesting.
Happens in the synastry with Dr Faustus for me.

posted August 02, 2014 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
Look into that aspect. Leeloo has a post on Klotho and Atropos in Composite somewhere.

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You guys, too?

posted August 02, 2014 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
Interesting take on the Vertex Indigo. I don't watch my transits too much anymore because I was becoming obsessive. Things will be what they will be. I'm feeling like I can pull back a little more then I used to. I know when I get that obsessive feeling it's just fear and fear isn't real.

My twins SN and Psyche is on my Vertex, NN on anti-vertex. I can't get away!

Wow, I have ASC/Vertex 0 and ASC/Vertex 5 degrees DW with my husband!

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NNODE-AVX is definitely a strong future tie. The growth achieved by the NNODE is going to be crucial for the AVX in regards to clearing karma and realising destiny.

posted August 02, 2014 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
For me, one of the things I've started to realize is that I think I am a "runner", as they call it. The first time he triggered a kundalini rise in me, I freaked, and emotionally "ran". First time he triggered a heart chakra opening in me... same thing, I "ran". Every single time the intensity has gotten stronger, I have had to be dragged kicking and screaming by a force greater than myself to face the feelings.

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To be honest, you don't know what you are until things leave the safety of the abstract and become realised. IF he should begin chasing you, and THEN you run -- NOW you're The Runner. Until then you're the 'evaluator' or 'contemplator' or 'assessor'. But you can't run from a relationship that isn't actually happening. You can run from the possibility -- but that doesn't make you a Runner.

There's a psychology I've detected amongst all of us who find themselves in these complex situations. It's a propensity towards obsession and a desire to dream of the unrealised. You may be absolutely right that you can't handle a real relationship with this man. But then you'd have to ask why.

There's a strange status of The Runner that makes us feel confirmed. 'Oh, my relationship isn't happening because I'M running.' ... No, sweetheart, it ain't happening -- because it ain't happening. The reasons why are myriad; but that's the crux of the issue. I think we hide behind it; we wrap ourselves in 'running' to explain why our 'Twin' is not responding, or chasing -- or otherwise fulfilling 'their end of the bargain'.

It's something you can't REALLY see until you DO become the Runner, and see the stark differences. But there's still something you're using the illusion of running for. For me, it was to avoid even the remote possibility of rejection -- REAL rejection. Not the stuff I was imagining in my head by 'being the Runner'. But ACTUAL confrontation. ACTUAL rejection.

It's too hard to fathom being rejected by one whom we've elevated to such unique and powerful, special status. We can't imagine, truly, NOT being with this person. So to explain our not being with them, 'oh, we're the Runner'. But that kind of denial only lasts for so long -- and eventually, we have to face the reality we're REALLY running from.

Spoiler alert: it's not our 'Twin'.

posted August 02, 2014 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
I'll take a look . Thank you!
What confuses me is atropos. I started a thread about it a long time ago & still am confused.
Is it "THE END" meaning goodbye?
Or the "end result"? Meaning if your atropos falls on someone's juno (as an example) it could signify a committed relationship as the end of the story?
It's confusing!

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ATROPOS is a VERY confusing thing, to be honest. To some extent, it's 'inevitability', but also 'the end' or 'conclusion'. Nobody can say exactly WHAT it is; I think it may operate differently in certain contexts.

My Guardian's ATROPOS is in my 7H, conjunct and parallel the 8C. Is that the 'unstoppable inevitability' of the sexual relationship we (finally) have? It didn't signal the end of the story, though, it happened in two parts. Initially, the advent of a non-platonic dynamic DID result in the end of the relationship. But when it resumed, and became a sexual relationship, it's felt more like it was inevitable.

Oddly, it's felt inevitable to everybody.

posted August 02, 2014 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by BeTrue77:
My twin and I met at a spiritual retreat in August 2012, but we did not maintain contact with each other afterwards until seeing each other again at another retreat with the same spiritual teacher in early November 2013. The dates of the November 2013 retreat were the 5th through the 12th. Although we were very drawn to each other at the August 2012 retreat, and there was mutual recognition of some type of connection, thankfully the twin flame energy did not get activated until our second meeting in November 2013.

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