posted August 06, 2014 03:41 AM              

Hi everyone,
I have been talking to a young lady for a number of months. Recently, she told me about serious abuse she received from her older brother. It started when she was 4, and ended when she was 17, at which point he was taken to jail. I asked her for the information of her brother and was shocked at what came up. Below is his natal chart, and synastry of him and her.

Abuser
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Synastry of victim and abuser:
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So things I notice in his natal chart -
Sun square Moon. His head and his heart may be at wars with one another.
Mercury conjunct Sun. I believe this is also known as COMBUST, as it's 4* apart. This lends to malignant narcissistic tendencies.
Sun square True Node. I believe this may indicate this person's lack of direction in life. He may feel he has no real purpose.
Sun and Mercury square the AC. Would this mean he is somewhat of a confused and lost soul. Again, probably lack of direction and purpose.
Nessus trine Sun exact. Seems to be a serial abuser. He probably enjoys it.
Nessus square Venus. I think this also indicates a horrifically abusive person.
Nessus square Pluto. Power to the abuser. He probably really enjoys abusing.
Desdemona ( 666 ) trine Chiron. While it's not exact, I still feel this is a very bad and ominous aspect. 666, the number of the beast. The devil.
Desdemons ( 666 ) square Mars exact. This is the scariest part of the entire chart in my opinion. Again, the Devil, square exactly Mars, the most actively driven planet in the chart. I think this indicates his strong want to abuse, and be horrible in his abusiveness. I think he would be a sick animal.
Algol conjunct Chiron. This is close. Algol is evil. The fact that his conjuncts his Chiron tells me that he will hurt others badly. When I look at this guys chart, I feel like he is evil to the core. Like he is the Devil on Earth. He doesn't look to have any empathy or regard for his victims. I've never seen a chart like this.

The victim of the above mentioned abuser has only told me he was a sicko, and very abusive. I do not know specifically what he has done to her, but going off the chart, I dread to even imagine

Now for the Synastry -
His Nessus conjunct her Chiron. Abuser aspect.
His Moon conjunct her Medusa. I think Medusa refers to being cut down, in personality and life. The person that was abused has told me she has depression, OCD and anxiety from the constant assaults she incurred at the hands of this person.
His Sun conjunct her Mercury. This would be a combust in synastry. Serial narcissistic behaviour towards the Mercury person I believe.
His Moon square her Sun and Mercury. Emotionally abusive towards the victim.
Her Dejanira conjunct his DC. Maybe he was searching for someone to abuse, and chose her.

posted August 06, 2014 08:02 AM            

Her Dejanira conj. DC makes good sense, however, I cannot confirm this from experience as I do not have birth time for the Other.

However his Sun is conj. my Venus - I think with the Nessus-Chiron, this could indicate an abusive relationship.

posted August 06, 2014 10:03 AM              

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Hi Leo-Dave,
I'm not sure it's a good idea to assume that the aspects you listed above will automatically incline the native towards abuse. Where did you get that from? I'm surprised because I happen to know quite a lot of people with Sun sq. Moon, Sun conj. Mercury etc. and absolutely none of them have shown any inclination towards abuse whatsoever, at least over the past few decades that I've known them closely. I cannot comment on the asteroid aspects you listed because I have not studied them.

Anyway, I've noticed there's a danger of using certain astrological placements as a "new age" (read: pseudo-spiritual) justification for discriminating against certain people one dislikes. Now the individual you have been studying may be truly nasty, who knows. After all you only have the word of one person for it who you have perhaps never even personally met. Be that as it may, please don't forget that every astrological placement, the "good" and "bad" alike, has a bright as well as a shadow side. The native is responsible for choosing his own course of action, and this responsibility is his own. As they say, the stars incline, they do not compel.

Sorry if this came off as preachy. I am just worried because this line of thinking can lead to rather unhealthy perspectives on other people.

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We look at charts to draw conclusions, assumptions and intentions about people. Natal and synastry. If not, why bother looking at charts?

This person was a serial abuser. I am curious to know why. All I have to go off is the word of the victim. I have her story and I have his chart.

I referenced research I have done online about hard aspects, and he seems to have quite a few. Maybe a single aspects I listed above won't cause someone to be a serial abuser, but a combination of so many hard aspects seems to suggest that they will. Clearly, as this person is in prison for his crimes.

posted August 06, 2014 11:11 AM              

I understand what you are saying and I agree - one or two of the above mentioned aspects does not make someone commit crimes or become a horrible person. But there are many aspects in this person's chart that I consider to be hard. It is a combination of many hard aspects that, in my opinion, might make a person more inclined to commit crimes. If this is wrong, then what is the reason? That's why I posted the chart. To understand why.

posted August 06, 2014 01:34 PM            

Besides, I have NESSUS exact on my costar's DEJANIRA. I recall, upon seeing that, (in his 8H, actually) 'do I abuse you? Sexually?' He literally choked on the tea he was drinking, and just stared at me. (Of course, I stared right back, just a hint of a grin which would be best described as 'wry'.) Following his coughed 'I'm sorry?' he simply said, 'this is NOT a way to convince me of astrology's validity, my dear.'

So, I asked iQ.

He expressed how my NESSUS is an evolved one, 'ferrying souls across the river' towards transformation. That I most certainly do. It's also trine my MOON-URA.

I HAVE helped him with a deeply transformative experience in the area of sexuality, as well as learning how to work in tandem in a dedicated fashion. Have I been rather obsessive about it? Yes. It's quite compulsive; I've been very dedicated to ensuring we have these experiences. Luckily, he has, too.

Now, that's very specific, but one of those 'Oh, No! RUN!' aspects.

SUN square MOON?

posted August 06, 2014 01:41 PM            

8H MERCURY square 5H MOON opposite 10H MARS?

All aspects 0°30-1°00 orb.

MERC: 21° CAN
MOON: 22° ARI
MARS: 22° LIB

This is:

MERC square MOON, 0°30.
MERC square MARS, 0°.
MOON opposite MARS, 0°.

Which means we're dealing with 8H, 5H, and 10H areas of focus.

posted August 06, 2014 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Aspects are meaningless out of context.

Besides, I have NESSUS exact on my costar's DEJANIRA. I recall, upon seeing that, (in his 8H, actually) 'do I abuse you? Sexually?' He literally choked on the tea he was drinking, and just stared at me. (Of course, I stared right back, just a hint of a grin which would be best described as 'wry'.) Following his coughed 'I'm sorry?' he simply said, 'this is NOT a way to convince me of astrology's validity, my dear.'

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I couldn't agree more.

I have nessus in leo conjunct gross at the end of my 8th house and it trines my chart ruler conjunction between Jupiter and Uranus in the 12th and it also sesquisquares neptune in the 1st which is the focul point of two squares.

I work with people who are mentally ill and is very common for people with mental illness to have a hx of abuse so a lot of my clients have a hx of abuse. I use to work with cognitive disabled adults and the elderly who are both populations who are more likely to be targeted for abuse. The next population I plan to work with are kids with a hx of abuse so there you go.

posted August 06, 2014 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Dave:
That is wonderful, but we are talking about someone who is in jail for sexual abuse, not Albert Schweitzer!!!

I understand what you are saying and I agree - one or two of the above mentioned aspects does not make someone commit crimes or become a horrible person. But there are many aspects in this person's chart that I consider to be hard. It is a combination of many hard aspects that, in my opinion, might make a person more inclined to commit crimes. If this is wrong, then what is the reason? That's why I posted the chart. To understand why.

Look more at the fixed stars and asteroids I plotted in the chart. They tell the story here, in my opinion.

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Thanks for posting this! I am looking forward do looking at this closely later tonight at home!

posted August 06, 2014 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:

LMAO!!!!! hahahaha

I couldn't agree more.

I have nessus in leo conjunct gross at the end of my 8th house and it trines my chart ruler conjunction between Jupiter and Uranus in the 12th and it also sesquisquares neptune in the 1st which is the focul point of two squares.

I work with people who are mentally ill and is very common for people with mental illness to have a hx of abuse so a lot of my clients have a hx of abuse. I use to work with cognitive disabled adults and the elderly who are both populations who are more likely to be targeted for abuse. The next population I plan to work with are kids with a hx of abuse so there you go.

I dont think nessus automatically means abuse specially when involving soft aspects.

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Yes, I really do think that we need the commonsense test there; even still, CONTEXT. I certainly agree that those of us who work in these fields are utilising the transformative nature of NESSUS, rather than the abusive / sex addicted / psychotic break aspect.

posted August 07, 2014 06:25 AM              

I put Lucifer in his chart and the following aspects appeared:

( Lucifer in capricorn/2nd house )

Lucifer Trine Chiron +1
Lucifer Square Pluto +4
Lucifer Sextile Mercury +3