posted August 11, 2014 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by IV XXIV:
Moon conj Pluto. I feel like it would be more intense (I have Moon opp Pluto in my natal).

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posted August 11, 2014 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Moon conjunct Pluto. I'd be able to handle it. I think Moon opposite Moon could feel uncomfortable.

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posted August 12, 2014 08:32 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Moon conjunct Pluto. I'd be able to handle it. I think Moon opposite Moon could feel uncomfortable.

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posted August 12, 2014 10:42 PM            

Yeah. Not a pleasant experience. I couldn't fathom why I wasn't as attracted to him as I thought I should be, and he was determined to take my virginity. (I was a college sophomore.) He drugged me, then later stalked me for a few weeks until I changed my number.

... Yay, PLUTO?

posted August 12, 2014 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
OH. I have.

Yeah. Not a pleasant experience. I couldn't fathom why I wasn't as attracted to him as I thought I should be, and he was determined to take my virginity. (I was a college sophomore.) He drugged me, then later stalked me for a few weeks until I changed my number.

... Yay, PLUTO?

And I've got it on my SUN, with BML, 2°. With a SCO MOON and MERC. Not like it's 'unfamiliar'.

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posted August 13, 2014 09:17 AM            

I have my Moon conjunct Pluto with people born in a certain part of the 80s but I guess that doesn't count since it's by default? Anyway, I'd take another conjunction. I'd most likely have one already with my boyfriend and I think this true DW would be easier to handle and it would balance the energy. Also, it would be nice to have Moon conjunct Pluto in the composite (I think) and I wouldn't mind being with a positive version of a Scorpio Mooner.

posted August 13, 2014 12:41 PM            

I like both these aspects.

posted August 13, 2014 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Folks, check long-term couples/great and long love stories and you'll see they all have at least one opposition, most of them involving the luminaries or Venus or some love ruler. Why? Because a couple is a Yin/Yang pair and the oppositions are the symbol of Yin/Yang. Think about man vs. woman. So, Moon opp Moon is a potentially very good aspect.

I like both these aspects.

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posted August 13, 2014 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
there are just as many long-term couples with moon-moon conjunctions. how can it be a male/female yin-yang pair when the moon is a feminine energy? and what if you have two women or two men in a love relationship? how does that influence it?

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I'm not very familiar with man/man and woman/woman astrology but, for the little I know, there are Yin/Yang pairs there as well.

The idea was not: conjunctions vs oppositions, at least not in my view. The idea conjunctions is "good", oppositions is "bad" is...bad to me lol You know it, starmoon

For example, the Moon/Moon conjunction is one of the problematic ones in a synastry. Meaning; it can be problematic. A conjunction is a hard aspect. Two planets in conjunctions act like glue, they are glued to each other, they act in sync, there is no distance between them, no perspective. It's the part of a synastry symbolic for close, in your face, nose to nose, inescapable Union.

A Moon/Moon conjunction, in particular, can be problematic because the Moon is a cyclic "planet". When these two people are down, they're both down; when they're up, they're both up. Their needs are in sync. For example, a fellow Leo Moon conjunct my Moon would need public or intimate attention at the same time with me, and we can compete for that.

Another difficulty of the Moon/Moon conjunction is that Moon is very receptive to its aspects in the natals. Let's say a Moon in Pisces trines Sun is conjunct the partner's Moon in Pisces opposite Pluto square Mars. It can be hell. They will feel each other, guess what the other feels (Moon/Moon conjunct can't hide their emotions/feelings from the other), they will be stuck with each other because of the glue factor inherent for conjunction, but a Hades Moon would be conjunct with a solar watery mellow harmonious Moon (the Sun trine Moon fellow).

Conjunctions have their bad side too, they aren't exclusively positive aspects.

That's why I don't believe in "good" aspects and "bad" aspects.

And oppositions are Yin/Yang because they unite two different/contradictory/opposed energies (male vs female) who are also compatible, who complete each other (think key-lock )

My question to you: why would oppositions be "bad"?

posted August 13, 2014 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm not very familiar with man/man and woman/woman astrology but, for the little I know, there are Yin/Yang pairs there as well.

The idea was not: conjunctions vs oppositions, at least not in my view. The idea conjunctions is "good", oppositions is "bad" is...bad to me lol You know it, starmoon

For example, the Moon/Moon conjunction is one of the problematic ones in a synastry. Meaning; it can be problematic. A conjunction is a hard aspect. Two planets in conjunctions act like glue, they are glued to each other, they act in sync, there is no distance between them, no perspective. It's the part of a synastry symbolic for close, in your face, nose to nose, inescapable Union.

A Moon/Moon conjunction, in particular, can be problematic because the Moon is a cyclic "planet". When these two people are down, they're both down; when they're up, they're both up. Their needs are in sync. For example, a fellow Leo Moon conjunct my Moon would need public or intimate attention at the same time with me, and we can compete for that.

Another difficulty of the Moon/Moon conjunction is that Moon is very receptive to its aspects in the natals. Let's say a Moon in Pisces trines Sun is conjunct the partner's Moon in Pisces opposite Pluto square Mars. It can be hell. They will feel each other, guess what the other feels (Moon/Moon conjunct can't hide their emotions/feelings from the other), they will be stuck with each other because of the glue factor inherent for conjunction, but a Hades Moon would be conjunct with a solar watery mellow harmonious Moon (the Sun trine Moon fellow).

Conjunctions have their bad side too, they aren't exclusively positive aspects.

That's why I don't believe in "good" aspects and "bad" aspects.

And oppositions are Yin/Yang because they unite two different/contradictory/opposed energies (male vs female) who are also compatible, who complete each other (think key-lock )

My question to you: why would oppositions be "bad"?

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oppositions are not bad, and they are definitely an attraction factor. but if you're wanting something long-term... nope. it might happen, sure, but it won't be easy. and of course there will be exceptions, you'll find lots of long-married moon opposite couples, that's just statistics. it's definitely better to have two similar moons than two opposing ones. because regardless of being up/down at the same time you can meet your partners needs because you know what they are. does an aqua moon know how to provide a leo moon with what it needs? not without effort because they just don't operate the same.

posted August 14, 2014 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
oppositions are not bad, and they are definitely an attraction factor. but if you're wanting something long-term... nope. it might happen, sure, but it won't be easy. and of course there will be exceptions, you'll find lots of long-married moon opposite couples, that's just statistics. it's definitely better to have two similar moons than two opposing ones. because regardless of being up/down at the same time you can meet your partners needs because you know what they are. does an aqua moon know how to provide a leo moon with what it needs? not without effort because they just don't operate the same.

where did you come up with the conjunction as a hard aspect? the conjunction is either harmonious or neutral, definitely not hard. your hard aspects in astro. are the opposition, square, semi-square, and sesquiquadrate. the others are soft or neutral.

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I'm afraid the idea "oppositions are not long-term" is completely contradicted by real life long-term couples. One can check a database of famous log-term couples and easily notice that only app. 10% DON'T have an opposition.

We disagree on this, starmoon, and that's fine. However, facts are facts and astrology is, after all, a statistical science.

The conjunction is considered by many astrologers a hard aspect because it can have either positive, or negative effects, based on several considerations such as the nature of the planets, the aspects of each conjunct planet in the natal etc. The conjunction is a point of union in a synastry, but it doesn't mean the union leads to benefic results, per se. It could also be a point of attraction in an unsupported synastry which is hard to break, leading to being glued in an unhealthy, unsupported synastry. A planet in conjunction brings all its aspects into that conjunction.

Here is the Wikipedia definition of conjunctions:

A conjunction (abrv. Con) is an angle of approximately 0-10°. An orb of approximately 10° is usually considered a conjunction, however if neither the Sun or Moon is involved, some consider the conjunction to be a separation (orb) of only about 0±08°. This is said to be the most powerful aspect, intensifying the effects of the involved planets mutually — and being a major point in the chart.

Whether the union is to be regarded as "positive" or "negative" depends upon what planets are involved: Venus, Jupiter and the Sun, in any possible combination, is considered the most favourable scenario (and all three actually met on November 9–10, 1970, for example), while the most unfavourable configurations involve Mars, Saturn, and/or the Moon (with all three conjoining on March 10 in that same year). If the planets are under stress from other configurations, then the conjunction will be said to intensify the stress. When a planet is in very close conjunction to the Sun it is referred to as cazimi; when a planet is moderately close to the Sun, it is said to be combust. The Sun and Moon are in conjunction monthly during the New Moon.

This is my personal opinion, of course, and, to my knowledge, the opinion of other astrologers as well.

But every astrologer can develop their own theories, obviously.

Regarding the oppositions, I'm reposting the analysis I made at your request when we last discussed this topic:

Famous long-term couples and their oppositions (I'll only check planets, although sometimes asteroids make important crosses with planets)

First, the case that has been discussed recently: the opposition that made Edward renounce his throne for Wallis:

his Venus in Taurus opposing her Scorp Uranus (ASC ruler) making the Fixed Cross with her ASC/DSC axis.
a classical separative opposition (and many times it is so) becomes a major binding factor

I'm only looking at the opposition per se, although many times it is part of a cross.

Liz Taylor/Richard Burton

Her Sun Pisces opp his Virgo Moon (classical marriage aspect, the emblematic Sun/Moon opp)
her Pluto (11th ruler) opp his Jupiter (9th ruler)

Princess Lillian/prince Bertil

Her Sun/venus Virgo opp his Sun/Merc
her Neptune (ICr) opp his Venus/Uranus (5th and 8th ruler) - another classic, the romantic, compelling Venus/Neptune opp - Venus longing for Neptune possibly forever

Elizabeth/Robert Browning

her Jupiter (ICr) opp his Venus/Jupiter (1st and 5th and MC ruler)

Lauren Bacall/Bogie

her Pluto (5thr) opp his Mars (intercepted 12th)
her Jupiter (6thr) opp his Pluto (DSc ruler)

Linda/Paul

her Moon (9th) opp his Venus (9th and 2nd ruler) - another classic/romantic lol

Joanne/Paul Newman - champions of oppositions

her Saturn (ASC r) opp his Pluto (MC r)
his Venus/Merc (IC, 5th and 8th ruler) opp her Pluto (11th ruler)
her Moon (DSC ruler) opp his Neptune (2nd ruler)
his Moon (DSC ruler) opp her Neptune (3rd ruler)

June Carter/Johnny Cash

suspected opp: her Moon opp his Pluto (8th ruler)
her Neptune opp his Mars (ASC ruler)

Brangelina

her Venus (11th and Ic ruler) opp his Moon/Venus (11th and 8th ruler)
her Saturn (DSC ruler) opp his Merc (DSC ruler)
her Merc opp his Sun
her Pluto (5th ruler) opp his Jupiter (ASC and Sun ruler)

Other famous long-term couples in my database who have at least one major opposition in their synastry:

Camilla/Prince Charles (1)
Eva/Juan Peron (2 oppositions, 6 planets in opposition)
Goldie Hawn/Kurt Russel (2)
Marie/Pierre Curie (2, 6 planets in opposition)
Melanie Griffith/Antonio Banderas (1)
Michael Douglas/Catherine Zeta (1, 5 planets in opposition)
Iman/David Bowie (1, 4 planets in opposition)
Jennifer Garner/Ben Affleck (3)
Meryl Streep/Don Gummer (2, 7 planets in opposition)
Annette Bening/Warren Beatty (2, 6 planets in opposition)

These are all long-term couples known worldwide and usually part of the database of most relationship astrologers.

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posted August 14, 2014 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I'm afraid the idea "oppositions are not long-term" is completely contradicted by real life long-term couples. One can check a database of famous log-term couples and easily notice that only app. 10% DON'T have an opposition.

We disagree on this, starmoon, and that's fine. However, facts are facts and astrology is, after all, a statistical science.

The conjunction is considered by many astrologers a hard aspect because it can have either positive, or negative effects, based on several considerations such as the nature of the planets, the aspects of each conjunct planet in the natal etc. The conjunction is a point of union in a synastry, but it doesn't mean the union leads to benefic results, per se. It could also be a point of attraction in an unsupported synastry which is hard to break, leading to being glued in an unhealthy, unsupported synastry. A planet in conjunction brings all its aspects into that conjunction.

Here is the Wikipedia definition of conjunctions:

[b]A conjunction (abrv. Con) is an angle of approximately 0-10°. An orb of approximately 10° is usually considered a conjunction, however if neither the Sun or Moon is involved, some consider the conjunction to be a separation (orb) of only about 0±08°. This is said to be the most powerful aspect, intensifying the effects of the involved planets mutually — and being a major point in the chart.

Whether the union is to be regarded as "positive" or "negative" depends upon what planets are involved: Venus, Jupiter and the Sun, in any possible combination, is considered the most favourable scenario (and all three actually met on November 9–10, 1970, for example), while the most unfavourable configurations involve Mars, Saturn, and/or the Moon (with all three conjoining on March 10 in that same year). If the planets are under stress from other configurations, then the conjunction will be said to intensify the stress. When a planet is in very close conjunction to the Sun it is referred to as cazimi; when a planet is moderately close to the Sun, it is said to be combust. The Sun and Moon are in conjunction monthly during the New Moon.

This is my personal opinion, of course, and, to my knowledge, the opinion of other astrologers as well.

But every astrologer can develop their own theories, obviously.

Regarding the oppositions, I'm reposting the analysis I made at your request when we last discussed this topic:

Famous long-term couples and their oppositions (I'll only check planets, although sometimes asteroids make important crosses with planets)

First, the case that has been discussed recently: the opposition that made Edward renounce his throne for Wallis:

his Venus in Taurus opposing her Scorp Uranus (ASC ruler) making the Fixed Cross with her ASC/DSC axis.
a classical separative opposition (and many times it is so) becomes a major binding factor

I'm only looking at the opposition per se, although many times it is part of a cross.

Liz Taylor/Richard Burton

Her Sun Pisces opp his Virgo Moon (classical marriage aspect, the emblematic Sun/Moon opp)
her Pluto (11th ruler) opp his Jupiter (9th ruler)

Princess Lillian/prince Bertil

Her Sun/venus Virgo opp his Sun/Merc
her Neptune (ICr) opp his Venus/Uranus (5th and 8th ruler) - another classic, the romantic, compelling Venus/Neptune opp - Venus longing for Neptune possibly forever

Elizabeth/Robert Browning

her Jupiter (ICr) opp his Venus/Jupiter (1st and 5th and MC ruler)

Lauren Bacall/Bogie

her Pluto (5thr) opp his Mars (intercepted 12th)
her Jupiter (6thr) opp his Pluto (DSc ruler)

Linda/Paul

her Moon (9th) opp his Venus (9th and 2nd ruler) - another classic/romantic lol

Joanne/Paul Newman - champions of oppositions

her Saturn (ASC r) opp his Pluto (MC r)
his Venus/Merc (IC, 5th and 8th ruler) opp her Pluto (11th ruler)
her Moon (DSC ruler) opp his Neptune (2nd ruler)
his Moon (DSC ruler) opp her Neptune (3rd ruler)

June Carter/Johnny Cash

suspected opp: her Moon opp his Pluto (8th ruler)
her Neptune opp his Mars (ASC ruler)

Brangelina

her Venus (11th and Ic ruler) opp his Moon/Venus (11th and 8th ruler)
her Saturn (DSC ruler) opp his Merc (DSC ruler)
her Merc opp his Sun
her Pluto (5th ruler) opp his Jupiter (ASC and Sun ruler)

Other famous long-term couples in my database who have at least one major opposition in their synastry:

Camilla/Prince Charles (1)
Eva/Juan Peron (2 oppositions, 6 planets in opposition)
Goldie Hawn/Kurt Russel (2)
Marie/Pierre Curie (2, 6 planets in opposition)
Melanie Griffith/Antonio Banderas (1)
Michael Douglas/Catherine Zeta (1, 5 planets in opposition)
Iman/David Bowie (1, 4 planets in opposition)
Jennifer Garner/Ben Affleck (3)
Meryl Streep/Don Gummer (2, 7 planets in opposition)
Annette Bening/Warren Beatty (2, 6 planets in opposition)

These are all long-term couples known worldwide and usually part of the database of most relationship astrologers.

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well.. what can i say? we are completely OPPOSITE on this stuff :-) like completely. i'm telling you... write the book on oppositions. if you promise to not give a bad review i should send you my book and you can just shake your head and disagree with it all. the couples you listed do in fact have oppositions, but several have conjunctions as well, and those conjunctions are in the innermost planets. personally i would see a moon-moon conjunct as superior to a moon-pluto opposition because moon-moon relies on inner planets and not an outer ones. a lot of the oppositions you site are stemming from outer planets to inner ones which, to my mind, are less important. you can find both the opposition and the conjunction in long-terms couples, BUT more long-term couples have the conjunction in the innermost planets sun-venus; moon-mars, etc. and not to outer ones. perhaps that makes the biggest difference in how we both see this. i don't pay much attention to outer planets as attraction/longevity factors, except perhaps saturn.

i have not come upon any astrologers who claim the conjunction as hard, ever. it can be hard against certain planets, but the original OP asked about moon-moon and that would not be a difficult aspect at all.

posted August 14, 2014 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
well.. what can i say? we are completely OPPOSITE on this stuff :-) like completely. i'm telling you... write the book on oppositions. if you promise to not give a bad review i should send you my book and you can just shake your head and disagree with it all. the couples you listed do in fact have oppositions, but several have conjunctions as well, and those conjunctions are in the innermost planets. personally i would see a moon-moon conjunct as superior to a moon-pluto opposition because moon-moon relies on inner planets and not an outer ones. a lot of the oppositions you site are stemming from outer planets to inner ones which, to my mind, are less important. you can find both the opposition and the conjunction in long-terms couples, BUT more long-term couples have the conjunction in the innermost planets sun-venus; moon-mars, etc. and not to outer ones. perhaps that makes the biggest difference in how we both see this. i don't pay much attention to outer planets as attraction/longevity factors, except perhaps saturn.

i have not come upon any astrologers who claim the conjunction as hard, ever. it can be hard against certain planets, but the original OP asked about moon-moon and that would not be a difficult aspect at all.

i am sure we would get along just fine in person and could debate this for hours. i love leo moons :-)

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OK! Good luck with the book and send it to me when it's ready, despite our "opposition" lol, I'm sure it's awesome.

posted August 15, 2014 11:20 PM            

He is someone I can't get out of my head. I've stopped talking to him now for almost 2 years...AND he's getting married...and STILL can't get him out. It's been that way since we met (over 8 years ago!).

Moon/Pluto anything is VERY strong. VERY.