posted August 15, 2014 01:50 PM            

It happened THREE TIMES within the last four years. (If we're talking 0º30-2º00 hits.) Drove me crazy. I kept feeling like I was supposed to DO something -- and I kept failing to. And then it'd go retro. Again.

In March 2011, it was 1º off. I attempted to have a strictly professional relationship with my costar. Could. NOT. Deal. He couldn't accept that, so we tried again -- until he evidently couldn't deal, again, and my Twin reappeared in October.

Next hit was exact. February 2012. I'll always remember that time with fondness. It really seemed like my Twin and I were going to make it work. Blissful days.

Went retro in May. Everything fell apart.

Direct. Direct hit. December 2012. He loves me. Can't have a casual / no-strings-attached with someone he loves. This isn't going to work. Possibly ever. Just before it went retro, and hit my ASC that January, he felt so hopeless, so angry, so despairing that he ripped me to shreds.

Direct hit on my ASC, 2º off my nVENUS, April 2013. I'd just buried my feelings for my costar, and his never changed.

... Goes retro.

0º20 hit in September, before going direct. My costar and I discuss the parameters of our relationship -- whether or not we want it to change. I'm still avoiding my Twin.

Complicated damned retro period. 0º30 hit, (exact on my VENUS/ASC) in October 2013. My Twin suddenly makes contact after going into the background for a month -- longest period ever. My costar and I begin a physical relationship (27 October) which he defines as 'getting back together'.

I survived April 2014! Really, 5º is getting a bit far for me, but the pattern was rather clockwork for years. The sexual relationship with my costar is consistent. In May, my Twin and I see each other -- at his strange insistence. My costar meets him, too. Strange, strange day. Felt like a lot of karma clearing (18 May).

Prediction time!

The 'worst' is over -- the major upheavals, at least. It's going direct close(ish) to my birthday, and will be 1º my ASC, 3º my VENUS. tNNODE's on my SUN. My costar and I will be preparing to shoot in January -- finalising the script, solidifying the crew, my agent will be launching the marketing campaign. My mother suspects that my Twin is going to have a 'rude awakening' in conjunction with his first SATURN Return ending.

We shall see.

In either case, it feels to me like I was supposed to confront things with my Twin (which I did) and begin the relationship I have with my costar. While I wouldn't necessarily call it passionate, it's VERY intense and life-changing. Deeply transformative, and very tantric.

posted August 15, 2014 02:31 PM            

I read that when twin flames sleep with people besides each other, the other twin can feel it and it causes him/her immense pain. before i knew this person was my twin, i was getting ready to sleep with someone and all of a sudden this ringing started in my ears like it was someone trying to make a phone call telepathically but i ignored it because i didn't know what it was. but now i know it was him trying to get me to stop what i was about to do. and i know it hurt him a lot and i feel so awful for doing it. the pain is just too intense.

posted August 15, 2014 02:57 PM            

This is, in part, how I came to realise the connexion. On our 'Karma Day' (27 October).

( ... Oof, and this one's got a tSUN-VENUS, and he's having his SATURN Return. Daaaaamn. I thought that ended already. Nope.)

Anyhow, we all have 4° SCO karmic points: my KARMA, my Twin's PLUTO, and my Guardian's SNODE.

The ways in which important milestones have coincided CAN'T be coincidence. In fact, the day our sexual relationship began, tSUN was exact his nSUN; it was the night before his 29th birthday.

Ohhh, the symbolism.

Then when we saw each other (on the tSUN-OSIRIS conjunct our cCHIRON 0° on ALGOL) my Guardian was the one who came with me. Even snapped our photo.

There's heeeeaaavy involvement there.

Also, I buried the hatchet with my Twin last month. But it doesn't seem to've taken. He's back to hating me. And now it's because of NOTHING I've done. He's just inexplicably hating me. When it gets too bad, I confront him in a gentle-but-no-BS way, remind him I love him, and tell him to stop.

But he has SO much growing, SO much evolving to do. I couldn't continue to be his punching bag. Not when someone wants to share with me the karmic rewards of finally learning the RIGHT lessons, AND doing the RIGHT things.

posted August 15, 2014 03:08 PM            

I tried to break us out of the cycle. He wouldn't. Either too scared, too immature, too broken (and pretending otherwise, which gets me NOWHERE) -- too something. Then after he just kept hurting me -- over and over again -- I stopped trying.

If he's in pain, I'm genuinely sorry for that. He certainly hasn't told me. Nor has he communicated that to me in any other way. The times we spend together astrally are oddly peaceful and pedestrian. I'M always the one in tears. Suffering. HE's always the one managing a distance or cryptically stating 'it's not the time for that.'

After awhile, I guess you just ... take them at their word.

Like iQ said, if he's going to deny a sexual relationship here, then he needs to let me go entirely. He can't expect to get empathy and draw from me while continuing to deny what we both have needed and wanted. Hell, I don't even want it anymore. I've buried it far beneath my consciousness and I'm leaving it there. It BROKE me. I won't go through that again.

I honestly feel as if my Guardian maintains the balance. He energetically replenishes me, and, despite how disordered and out-of-whack I've gotten, suddenly, I'm renewed. Energised. It's tough to articulate, but it goes beyond brain chemistry. I realise that now. This is a soul-driven practise. I feel as if he draws whatever negative energy out of me and clears it. I'll find myself momentarily depleted, and then -- BAM. Like a battery.

I used to get this with my Twin, when we were in harmony. Just by talking to him. Over the phone! With my Guardian, it's a purely sexual exchange. Tantric. I'm not sure why. But, wow, does it work.

posted August 15, 2014 06:41 PM            

This isn't twin flame love. It doesn't just die like that. Its not superficial at all. it goes deep and much deeper than karmic relationships.

This new guy sounds a better person. He sounds like he is your Pluto who is trining your Venus.

posted August 16, 2014 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I can concur that it hurts, too. Hurts like hell.

I tried to break us out of the cycle. He wouldn't. Either too scared, too immature, too broken (and pretending otherwise, which gets me NOWHERE) -- too something. Then after he just kept hurting me -- over and over again -- I stopped trying.

If he's in pain, I'm genuinely sorry for that. He certainly hasn't told me. Nor has he communicated that to me in any other way. The times we spend together astrally are oddly peaceful and pedestrian. I'M always the one in tears. Suffering. HE's always the one managing a distance or cryptically stating 'it's not the time for that.'

After awhile, I guess you just ... take them at their word.

Like iQ said, if he's going to deny a sexual relationship here, then he needs to let me go entirely. He can't expect to get empathy and draw from me while continuing to deny what we both have needed and wanted. Hell, I don't even want it anymore. I've buried it far beneath my consciousness and I'm leaving it there. It BROKE me. I won't go through that again.

I honestly feel as if my Guardian maintains the balance. He energetically replenishes me, and, despite how disordered and out-of-whack I've gotten, suddenly, I'm renewed. Energised. It's tough to articulate, but it goes beyond brain chemistry. I realise that now. This is a soul-driven practise. I feel as if he draws whatever negative energy out of me and clears it. I'll find myself momentarily depleted, and then -- BAM. Like a battery.

I used to get this with my Twin, when we were in harmony. Just by talking to him. Over the phone! With my Guardian, it's a purely sexual exchange. Tantric. I'm not sure why. But, wow, does it work.

I miss those days with my Twin. But I also got tired of longing for past that's gone.

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posted August 16, 2014 03:55 PM            

The guy's Pluto (11 Libra) - Venus (12 Aries) opposition has been activated.

posted August 16, 2014 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
Pluto has been all over my Venus at 11'42 Virgo the past few years AND my Mars at 13'41 Virgo > Asc ruler.
It signified heartbreak for me - big time.

The guy's Pluto (11 Libra) - Venus (12 Aries) opposition has been activated.

Can't say I'm enjoying this transit and it's a trine, ffs...

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posted August 16, 2014 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sounds like it is more the T-square with the guy`s Venus-Pluto, that has bent he problem.

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Could be. Venus rules his 4th and 9th house, Pluto rules his tenth house. tPluto transits his 1st. He left the country to pursue a better life somewhere far away. For him it's more a transformational thing, whereas Mars and Venus rule my 1st and 2nd/7th respectively, it should have been nice for me romantically speaking, at least in theory. And on top of it all Pluto transits my 10th, with a separating square and trine to my Sun and Moon, respectively.

posted August 16, 2014 05:11 PM            

Venus trine Pluto is quite stunning. It does signify change, but a great change that is not unrequited and full of all that messy negative stuff.

posted August 16, 2014 05:28 PM            

because i want to confirm others have felt this way as well.

posted August 16, 2014 05:40 PM            

i just don't agree that nothing happens with this transit.

i used to think trines weren't all that great as well. but i have learned that trines and sextiles with masculine planets such as mars and pluto saturn is when the goodness of these aspects are seriously felt.

posted August 16, 2014 05:44 PM            

I heartily disagree, but hey, that´s your thread.

So I will just slip out of it again.

EDIT:
Well, trines and sextiles have their merits, they can be "feel good" aspects under certain circumstances. What I mean is that no trine ever is soley responsible for a major change.

Yes I know this is a very absolute statement. But I stand by it.
I have seen it over and over agian, not just in my chart, but in other people`s charts; and whenever someone told me that no, I was wrong, it really was the trine doing that, and I looked in their chart, there invaribably raised a much more dynamic aspects its head (inr elationships to the luminaries, angles, Venus, Mars, ruler of 7th or 5th hosue).

So since I have seen that so often and never seen an isolated trine coinciding with major changes, I have to disagree.

posted August 16, 2014 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
This guy doesn't sound like your twin Indigo.

This isn't twin flame love. It doesn't just die like that. Its not superficial at all. it goes deep and much deeper than karmic relationships.

This new guy sounds a better person. He sounds like he is your Pluto who is trining your Venus.

I asked about this aspect because my T had transit Pluto trining his Venus right when we met and now.

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Oh, my Guardian IS a better person. By far. I think I may have needed to meet my Twin (and I do get your scepticism; I do) when I did because of everything that was learnt. And the history that begun starting that year. History, that will seem ancient, at some much later date.

My Twin is young, angry, confused, and going through things I did in my teens. He didn't have the leg up that I did with my background, and he's had to clear a LOT of dysfunction. Thing is, I've had karma to clear as well, and a PLUTO-dominated composite -- it's Heaven or Hell. There is NO in-between.

I think we've decided that, on some level, we hate seeing each other this way. At this distance. HE's not ready, and I'm done waiting. I KNOW what I'm here for. I'm here to love and be loved and a bright light to illuminate the darkness.

I know, I say 'he hates me'. We all know the truth is that he loves me more than he can stand -- and he still hates HIMSELF too much to where he's blinded.

So, I'm in the background. I'm sending him good energy, and being positive -- despite his vitriol. But he stopped. For now, the rage-filled stream has ended, and my Guardian cleared my energy field, and my husband has re-grounded me. So, I'm good to go.

I'm not giving up -- permanently -- on my Twin. I'm just focussing and redirecting my attention elsewhere for the next decade, and letting him grow. My Guardian and I have a LOT of work to do, and I'm starting to really understand the role a Guardian plays.

Maybe my Twin was just here to show me that I am a Twin Flame. Maybe I'm the only one to ever take up the mantle between us, and all will be gravy once we're out of the third dimension. Maybe the work is with my Guardian. Maybe there's such a myriad of reasons for that which I have no concept of just yet.

That's fine. It's about love. One day, he's gonna finally see that. Meanwhile, I'll have been living a lifetime of love, and can just welcome him into the fold; like, 'well, it's about time you got here.'

posted August 16, 2014 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
He sounds like he is your Pluto who is trining your Venus.

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I also wanted to confirm that, YES, I feel it's all wrapped up in the same thing, but the deep, transformative, karmic relationship, that's loving and passionate on a transcendental level IS definitely with my Guardian. Hands down.

posted August 16, 2014 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by olgatheo:
Do u have a Venus sq. Pluto in Synastry, or any other difficult aspects with Pluto ???
Sounds alot like it....hope things get better, I am sure it will he probably just needs time.
The main thing is that you can look at it more philosophical and not get affected by his attitude anymore.

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Oh, with my Twin? That's all in the composite.

Definitely 'PLUTO-heavy' with all the Scorp.

In our synastry, however, surprising lack of PLUTO, but some Scorp -- tough stuff, too; like his SATURN-KARMA-SNODE all on my MOON. Or my SNODE on his EROS/PSYCHE.

We have an exact conjunction of KARMA and PLUTO, too. So, there's that. Heh.