posted August 17, 2014 05:08 AM            

Franz's reluctance to marry any princess and to break with Sophie (who was of noble stock but not sufficiently august for an Archduke and heir of the throne) brought him a lot of humiliation but AGAINST ALL ODDS they eventually married and had childrend.

They were assassinated together on their 14th wedding anniversary in Sarajevo, leading to the outbreak of WWI.

What indicates to the great love that caused a huge scandal? What indicates the morganatic marriage?

Their synstry:

his natal:

her natal:

posted August 17, 2014 05:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow, he was born on my birthday.

Well for once they have very closely aligned angles, def. significant

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but around 150 years ago

posted August 17, 2014 06:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I actually have yet to see trines to angles to be that strong. Usually some other aspect is strengthening it for it to happe.

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Oh, trines actually can be very strong. I like them as much as conjunctions. Trines provide that easy, soft flow that leads to genuine affection if not more. Conj. and/or oppositions and sometimes even squares provide a lot of tension and obsession.

Trines in a synastry make it easy for couple to live happily with each other. My 2 cents.

posted August 17, 2014 06:29 AM            

Plus, Merc*Uranus can be a very exciting opposition.
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posted August 17, 2014 06:37 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You do know their TOB, right?

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posted August 17, 2014 07:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Oh, trines actually can be very strong. I like them as much as conjunctions. Trines provide that easy, soft flow that leads to genuine affection if not more. Conj. and/or oppositions and sometimes even squares provide a lot of tension and obsession.

Trines in a synastry make it easy for couple to live happily with each other. My 2 cents.

BACK TO THE SYNASTRY : Where can you see that "against all odds" love?!

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I usually would agree with you on the trines, however I find angles and calculated points operating differently to planets; maybe cause they provide the backrop to the energies, instead of being energy themselves like planets do.

posted August 17, 2014 07:57 AM            

planets on angles/nodes:

an OOS Fixed Nodal cross, but I think important and strong because of: IC ruler to ASC ruler, Saturn there, Juno conjunct Juno, on her Moon (IC ruler)/Juno/Saturn axis, Moon on SN - perhaps the strongest part of the chart here

Moon/Neptune on Avx, he brings Mercury (DSC ruler) and Moon/Neptune to her Vertex axis connected to her angles

He has Lilith/vertex, her Lilith on his Avx.

Mercury DSC ruler on MC
Venus/Neptune on IC
Eros/Saturn on ASC/DSC (she has Eros on MC)
they both have Uranus on receptive angles

nice pattern completion with his Venus/Jupiter/Pluto/vesta

Moon/Mars Sun/Mars Venus/Saturn Mars/Saturn Venus trine Uranus, Mars trine Uranus - they have several VERY interesting Yin/Yang pairs

Sun/Chiron DW
Sun/Amor DW
Mercury/Uranus DW
Moon/Juno DW

a first glance, but it's a complex synastry
I liked the Yin/Yang pairs very much

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posted August 17, 2014 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
They have a lot of strong contacts, apart from those great overlays:

planets on angles/nodes:

an OOS Fixed Nodal cross, but I think important and strong because of: IC ruler to ASC ruler, Saturn there, Juno conjunct Juno, on her Moon (IC ruler)/Juno/Saturn axis, Moon on SN - perhaps the strongest part of the chart here

Moon/Neptune on Avx, he brings Mercury (DSC ruler) and Moon/Neptune to her Vertex axis connected to her angles

He has Lilith/vertex, her Lilith on his Avx.

Mercury DSC ruler on MC
Venus/Neptune on IC
Eros/Saturn on ASC/DSC (she has Eros on MC)
they both have Uranus on receptive angles

nice pattern completion with his Venus/Jupiter/Pluto/vesta

Moon/Mars Sun/Mars Venus/Saturn Mars/Saturn Venus trine Uranus, Mars trine Uranus - they have several VERY interesting Yin/Yang pairs

Sun/Chiron DW
Sun/Amor DW
Mercury/Uranus DW
Moon/Juno DW

a first glance, but it's a complex synastry
I liked the Yin/Yang pairs very much

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Wow, thank you. you always see things I never see

So in summary we can say, that that legendary couple has some angles conjunctions, ruler conj and indicators for genuine affection in their synastry.
It's interesting that nothing seems to miss: they have binding, passionate and friendly aspects in their synastry.

posted August 17, 2014 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
yes, I think so...it's not exactly a classical synastry, no Sun/Moon Venus/Mars but it is intense, Yin/Yang and complex.

How does the comp look?

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Yes, that is what I thought as well when I first looked at it: Where are the sun/moon and venus/mars aspects? This love was obviously soooo strong that it overcame the push of a huge empery

Here is the Composite:

posted August 17, 2014 11:18 AM            

Based on Venus/Pallas Sun/Ceres, the woman on top

Also, a very nurturing relationship.

posted August 17, 2014 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Wow...tense and intense... a full 12th house too!

Based on Venus/Pallas Sun/Ceres, the woman on top

Also, a very nurturing relationship.

There is a most interesting Yod with Uranus Venus and Juno, right?

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Yes, the 12th and sun/venus theres (it's allegedly a common aspect in comp. though).

When looking at their synastry and comp I could come to the conclusion that it was that lovely feeling of being at "home" that led to the decision to disregard the orders of an emperor

Look at the comp. Node in the 8th house and its ruler in ther 12th.

How would you interpret the yod? It's interesting that Uranus is the ruler of the asc, merc, ceres and sun.

posted August 17, 2014 06:05 PM            

He has a Gemini Dsc with Uranus in the 7th house! Definitely goes with the symbolism of going against approval in terms of choosing a wife.

Interestingly, his 7th house ruler Mercury in Capricorn is also opposite her Uranus. So in a way he got what his 7th house was looking for.

Gemini is rules the 3rd house in his chart, making the 3rd house his secondary 7th house, and... And she has Sun, Mercury, Venus and Neptune all in his 3rd house (or conjunct the 3rd house cusp in the case of the Sun).

On top of this, her Taurus Moon falls into his 5th house of romantic sparks. And her Venus is conjunct his Ic, and he has Cancer on the 8th house cusp, making the 4th house his secondary 8th house. She shows in his chart's attraction pattern for sure.

Her birth time looks are little more approximate then his, but I'll give the love houses analysis a try from her side also.

Apparently she has a Libra Dsc, with most of Scorpio in the 7th house, and Venus in Aries ruling the 7th. He fits this profile pretty good. He has Mars, Jupiter, Venus, and North Node all in the Scorpio in her 7th house. And his Moon in Aries fits with her 7th house ruler Venus in Aries.

He also has Saturn in Libra, sign of her Dsc, opposite her Venus. Likely he was very aware of the disparity between them and considered very carefully about marring her.

His Sagittarius Sun resonates with the fact the sign Sagittarius covers most of her 8th house.

Their planetary attraction synastry appears to come from... Her Moon in Taurus opposite his Mars in Scorpio, extra passion on top of that with her Mars in Aqua squaring her natal Moon, and his Scorpio Mars. T-square.

The nicer, softer stuff appears to come from his Venus in Scorpio trine her Pisces Sun, and his Sun in Sagittarius sextile her Aqua Mars.

posted August 24, 2014 03:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Looking at the house attraction stuff (I hope the birth times are fairly accurate)...

He has a Gemini Dsc with Uranus in the 7th house! Definitely goes with the symbolism of going against approval in terms of choosing a wife.

Interestingly, his 7th house ruler Mercury in Capricorn is also opposite her Uranus. So in a way he got what his 7th house was looking for.

Gemini is rules the 3rd house in his chart, making the 3rd house his secondary 7th house, and... And she has Sun, Mercury, Venus and Neptune all in his 3rd house (or conjunct the 3rd house cusp in the case of the Sun).

On top of this, her Taurus Moon falls into his 5th house of romantic sparks. And her Venus is conjunct his Ic, and he has Cancer on the 8th house cusp, making the 4th house his secondary 8th house. She shows in his chart's attraction pattern for sure.

Her birth time looks are little more approximate then his, but I'll give the love houses analysis a try from her side also.

Apparently she has a Libra Dsc, with most of Scorpio in the 7th house, and Venus in Aries ruling the 7th. He fits this profile pretty good. He has Mars, Jupiter, Venus, and North Node all in the Scorpio in her 7th house. And his Moon in Aries fits with her 7th house ruler Venus in Aries.

He also has Saturn in Libra, sign of her Dsc, opposite her Venus. Likely he was very aware of the disparity between them and considered very carefully about marring her.

His Sagittarius Sun resonates with the fact the sign Sagittarius covers most of her 8th house.

Their planetary attraction synastry appears to come from... Her Moon in Taurus opposite his Mars in Scorpio, extra passion on top of that with her Mars in Aqua squaring her natal Moon, and his Scorpio Mars. T-square.

The nicer, softer stuff appears to come from his Venus in Scorpio trine her Pisces Sun, and his Sun in Sagittarius sextile her Aqua Mars.

Oddly enough, this means his Sun is quincunx her Moon... The Quincunx is the aspect of odd, slightly uncomfortable matches. They were likely fascinated with each other in an awkward kind of way, just as other people were shocked by the inappropriateness of the match.

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