posted August 22, 2014 11:47 PM            

So, here's the question: would we interpret a multi-composite in the same fashion as a 'regular' one? Do we still apply the same techniques -- such as composite points in conjunction with natal points indicate they are 'representative' of those natal points, rather, that individual?

As per my previous thread, this is my husband, myself, and my partner. As the relationship is unexpectedly deepening, my husband and I had a frank talk about what that could mean, what direction do we all want to go, and so on. That part's hardly unusual. We keep no secrets from each other -- and mean it.

This is what surprised me; he asked, and very seriously -- why should my partner allow himself to be vulnerable? 'Give me a scenario in which he doesn't end up abandoned and heartbroken.'

At the start of what my husband calls, 'The Great Experiment', we all honestly had no idea where things would end up. Over time, it seemed like one thing -- and then another entirely. But he's undeniably a part of our lives -- and our family -- so when it was suddenly prudent to determine what it is we're really looking at here, everything had to be taken into account.

Initially, I thought that this bizarre relationship would clear some very heavy karma, repair some mutual sexual (and emotional) dysfunctionality, cool into a life-long platonic state and be fantastically creatively productive. I thought, because of the ways in which we'd healed certain deficits in each other, he'd go on to actually find someone, finally settle down, and ... have the family he's wanted for decades.

Then, this week happened. Last Thursday, our intimacy deepened in a sudden and unexpected way, bringing to light all sorts of vulnerabilities with which I just hadn't dealt. (I'm beginning to understand my DEJANIRA conjunct BML in 0º Scorpio.)

One thing leading to another, I flat-out had a panic attack upon reading about sexual surrogacy -- something that's an adjacent field to my own (being a sex therapist). I couldn't figure it out immediately; I was under a hugely impacting configuration of karmic transits, and things were rapidly coming to light. I realised the sexual surrogacy was merely an analogy for the uncomfortable feeling I was having -- the sense that we'd have both had a relationship which was essentially of that nature -- only to have him go on to a future partner.

I felt ... abandoned. (Whether I allowed myself to cop to the likelihood of being heartbroken -- well, that's another story.) Suddenly, a lot became clear to me: certain patterns, interests, strange similarities to past things, present things -- and why I was having such a painful realisation.

Turns out, my husband always knew this on some level. 'I just need to know how it all fits together.' I can say we're so much closer than we've ever been before. There's so much of our own dysfunctional patterns we've cleared, and painful wounds we've healed. But, my partner and I have a ways to go. Many more things to do, understand, be, and feel.

Accepting we weren't just borrowing time in some fashion, and that I would actually have a horrible, traumatic time, were he to simply 'move on into a real relationship'. We just both have a difficult time telling each other this is a real relationship. (And he's infinitely respectful of my marriage -- even if he's had his issues with my husband in the beginning. He was genuinely acting in my best interest. We've ALL grown so much since then.)

And ... that's the gist.

I'd like to see what our inter-dynamics are, between the three of us, as it's a triangle rather than a triad. But my partner is damned near impossible to get close to, and has a hell of a time opening up -- so it's been slow-going with my husband. More than anything, he's felt hurt that he won't be more open with him.

Is that backwards or what? Heh.

But we've all given each other time, and we're just continuing to do so.

posted August 22, 2014 11:57 PM            

7R in the 3H is great though, helping along that 7H CHIRON (and MERCURY, too).

posted August 23, 2014 01:34 AM            

Technically, 9° SCO is his PSYCHE, too, since it's 2° off my EROS.

And, of course, 22° Aries. There it is.

posted August 24, 2014 08:51 AM            

I haven't had experience with multis, but I'm eager to try.

I'd like to look at this in comparison with all 3 individuals to see what it wakes up in whom. If only astro had a 4 circle option, sigh. That would be wonderful.

Notes:
Pluto on AC dead on, first thing you see. So clearly not something to release lightly or discount. There might be serious letting-go issues. Deep things will come out into the light. Love and hate might take turns, if not analyzed and accepted.
This Pluto+AC is on the Sun+Eros/Neptune midpoint, sextile to both. So the sexuality is creative; there is an easy flow between ego, power and creativity.

When we look at Mars for the expression of that sexuality, we see that it's on on 26Sag, and I still remember that that's where your Draco Chiron is. So that's part of an ongoing theme in your personal development, certainly. Looking at your weaknesses, seeing where you should go with them, what you should do with them, and how to use them for therapy. Also, look at that, the cChiron is on your natal Priapus.

This point is a bit too out of orb from your natal Psyche-Neptune axis but I think still potentially a liability.
I've come to see Psyche as a point where we have blind trust and acceptance - in destiny, in our cultural norms, in other people... In opposition with Neptune, this would make for a potential liability.

Mars is opposite Nessus+Nymphe, that gives a sort of a careless approach to physical sexuality, too much, too quickly and though enjoyable, a little bit too careless. This axis is square your natal Jupiter, that aspect can make for things we rush into for an ego boost. The Mars is in Fire is H3 and trine Mercury, so that's a bit of a quick Mars.

What I find significant is how this open-minded relationship of three people has its NN on 0° Taurus, the sign of exclusivity, jealousy, traditional marriage, the very signifier of 1-on-1. Also the degree of pure physical sensuality. How do you interpret this?
That also makes the cSN come to your nDejanira.

Speaking of the nodes, cVenus comes close to your nNN. So an experience teaching you how to love.

ALSO, your nVertex-Antivertex axis cuts the cNodal Axis into a grand cross. Hmmm indeed.

The Venus inconjunct Moon is a bit troubling, isn't it. There's a disconnect there. This Venus is actually incon. the BML/Moon midpoint. And making a Yod with your nMC. Important for your understanding of your career?

The cVertex is in your nH7, again important for your view of relationships.

So I think that the the down side to all this is that I can certainly see this relationship hurting you. But it will be a growth experience.

posted August 24, 2014 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
So I think that the the down side to all this is that I can certainly see this relationship hurting you. But it will be a growth experience.

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I'm not so sure. I think the energy of a multi becomes diluted and more manageable. I didn't interpret it as a hurtful relationship. I see the keystone CHIRON as a star player, and with it's dynamic and placement, as an overall positive healing experience for all involved.

The "quick" MARS you mentioned seems a necessity in light of who is involved. Anything more challenging than that soft grand trine would be just a stop-gap of inaccessible potential. Even the angles are in Cardinal, so the goal here is to push forward, and make that new beginning the 0° nodes are insisting on. That alone is a challenge, but it seems attainable here.

posted August 24, 2014 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I'm not so sure. I think the energy of a multi becomes diluted and more manageable. I didn't interpret it as a hurtful relationship. I see the keystone CHIRON as a star player, and with it's dynamic and placement, as an overall positive healing experience for all involved.

The "quick" MARS you mentioned seems a necessity in light of who is involved. Anything more challenging than that soft grand trine would be just a stop-gap of inaccessible potential. Even the angles are in Cardinal, so the goal here is to push forward, and make that new beginning the 0° nodes are insisting on. That alone is a challenge, but it seems attainable here.

DEJANIRA opp CHIRON is saying "LOOK AT ME, YOU CANNOT IGNORE ME", and despite opp being a challenging aspect, seems positive here. It has a nice geometry, actually. The cross and trine working together.

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Mostly: the state of the Moon. A Capricorn Moon in H4 is very realistic, and quite prone to negative thinking and depressive thoughts. Communication is very important in this relationship, and this is not a Moon that's very concerned with communication.
So it's a Moon that needs a stable reality to feel content. We see it inconjunct a Leo Venus in H11 - a very enthusiastic, positive Venus, willing to push and try and go for attractive, amazing new things. So, a disconnect there. It is exactly inconjunct the Mercury/Venus midpoint, to add to that.
This Moon is also brought close to BML, and squares the important retro Aries Chiron.

posted August 24, 2014 03:58 PM            

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I see your point. I agree that the relationship seems to have a bunch of positive take-aways. But there are things that jump out to me as concerning.

Mostly: the state of the Moon. A Capricorn Moon in H4 is very realistic, and quite prone to negative thinking and depressive thoughts. Communication is very important in this relationship, and this is not a Moon that's very concerned with communication.
So it's a Moon that needs a stable reality to feel content. We see it inconjunct a Leo Venus in H11 - a very enthusiastic, positive Venus, willing to push and try and go for attractive, amazing new things. So, a disconnect there. It is exactly inconjunct the Mercury/Venus midpoint, to add to that.
This Moon is also brought close to BML, and squares the important retro Aries Chiron.

Moon's ruler and 4H ruler is Saturn. It's in Cancer, square AC, square Pluto, inconjunct Neptune. None of these speaks of easy things.
BUT trine SN, so significant.

To me it's very difficult to not come away with a conclusion of hurt feelings at the end. Especially as that cMoon is square ID's nSun. Though it might all depend on the maturity of the people involved, natal configurations...

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Interesting analysis. It would be interesting to see the natal of all three and what aspects each natal makes to the multicomposite.

posted August 25, 2014 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Interesting analysis. It would be interesting to see the natal of all three and what aspects each natal makes to the multicomposite.

What would you say about mars and Neptune in the 3rd in terms of communication and your previous analysis??

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H3 Neptune makes for intuitive communication, though sometimes far too willing to make a leave from reality, especially retrograde. It is square Vesta/Psyche, suggesting that issues of dedication and loyalty are not very realistic and can be glossed over for an overly idealistic view.

posted November 08, 2014 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by amelia28:
[b] Interesting analysis. It would be interesting to see the natal of all three and what aspects each natal makes to the multicomposite.

What would you say about mars and Neptune in the 3rd in terms of communication and your previous analysis??

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H3 Neptune makes for intuitive communication, though sometimes far too willing to make a leave from reality, especially retrograde. It is square Vesta/Psyche, suggesting that issues of dedication and loyalty are not very realistic and can be glossed over for an overly idealistic view.

Mars in H3 can sometimes cause petty arguments, but with a clean Mercury trine, I'd say rather the opposite - a dedication to handling petty issues through self-expressive, open communication, which is an important theme that defines the relationship's very identity(H11 Leo Mercury, natural house ruler and H3 ruler in H1). [/B][/QUOTE]

Just getting around to this, libran_dream. Wow. What a year it's been!

So, excellent analysis, as always.

My partner has nATROPOS at 2º ARIES. His EROS is at 28º ARIES, and my PALLAS at 29º.

A leave from reality. Ohhh, yes. We're all mad here; that's been well-established. You'd be surprised, though; it would appear that Wonderland has its perks. Dodgson was onto something. Who knew?

I think you have to be a LITTLE idealistic, or, as my partner says 'more than a little cracked' to consider the unconventional so conventionally.

Indeed, it's probably my husband who finds himself the most confused; curiously, it's my partner's nASC which is on the cNEPTUNE; my husband's nMOON is on the cDESTINN, and not really in orb of cNEP. Nonetheless, it's he who's often asking 'where are we going?' to which my partner and I don't always have an answer. We're on a journey together? Taking it as it comes? Being communicative and open about any changes? Exploring things togethers?

My husband's greatest gripe is my partner's glacial adjustment period. His being very sexually adventurous can be rather daunting. I've had to step in more than a few times -- though, to be fair -- my husband has had to clue my partner in on more than a few things.

posted November 09, 2014 12:42 AM            

Its very fitting that juno conjuncts uranus LOL since is a poly composite BUT there is also uranus in between juno and dejanira.

Dejanira Sabian Symbol!

23-24 deg Libra

A Butterfly With A Third Wing On Its Left Side.

hahaha that is pretty amazing!

Although widely you all do have a love stellium between sun conjunct eros exact and venus and mercury.

In addition this been a poly composite that moon conjunct lilith is extra fitting as well.

The weakness is mars and neptune in the 3rd perhaps leading to arguments based on misunderstanding or unclear communication; neptune communication breakdown perhaps leading to arguments or passive aggressive stuff.

I suppose the nymph conjunct nessus and saturn represents the karma the three of you have to work out and chiron in the 7th is the wound resulting from this karma and the NN been there shows you are meant to deal with this in this life time.