posted August 25, 2014 12:54 PM            

Adonis - Innanen
I was looking to find the meaning behind Adonis - Innanen exact conjunction in synastry.

Persephone-Pluto
Isn't it Proserpine that has to be paired with PLuto or Persephone is acceptable, too?

Psyche on Sun

posted August 25, 2014 01:06 PM            

Supposedly, ADONIS is where we find our concept of the 'ideal male'. Logic would then persist that a male's chart hitting that point would lead us to idealise him.

PSYCHE's a tricky sort. It all depends upon who you ask. I've heard that a male's PSYCHE on a woman's ASC is a bit like ADONIS, except it's not only skin deep. (I have seen this in my own experiences, though it's hardly been plentiful enough to determine its operation.) I've meant to research it; it could be a sound interpretation.

But for me, PSYCHE is so multidimensional: she's our soul, and past traumas, and childhood wounding; she's our uncompromising yearning for true love -- she seeks EROS at any cost, no matter the obstacles set before her.

She can also deal mental matters: psychology and the mind and soul connexion. SO many different avenues with PSYCHE.

I'm just now starting to truly explore INNANEN.

PERSEPHONE and PLUTO are a classic archetypal relationship; PLUTO always has transformative lessons for PERSEPHONE which will force her to change her basic nature -- which, in turn, changes him, too. It's where we are dragged to the Underworld and given the opportunity to succumb or claim our own power, our rightful place as Queen.

posted August 25, 2014 01:12 PM            

Once appears in the myth with Aphrodite/ Venus: very sensual pairing.

posted August 25, 2014 01:15 PM            

There's a growing consensus that PROSERPINA (26) is what Persephone becomes upon her transformation; once she has become the true Queen of the Underworld, co-ruling with Hades.

Ceri doesn't use HADES because he's so slow-moving, but I've found there's still value there. I'll tend to use both. Especially if a theme's emerging.

PERSEPHONE, on the other hand, is the maiden typifying the 'damsel in distress' archetype, the victimised innocent prior to the corruption of knowledge -- usually of a very taboo or otherwise darker variety.

posted August 25, 2014 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

Persephone-Pluto
In our synastry, we have an exact 0 degree Persephone-Pluto conjunction in my 8th house - my Persephone, his Pluto. It pops up in the composite and the davison as a trine.

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posted August 25, 2014 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wow, Orange. Missed this part. How on earth is that not crAAAAzy active?

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It's good?

posted August 25, 2014 02:21 PM            

no, it is not the slow speed that makes me NOT using Hades. But the fact that he is a hypothetical planet, who could - or could not- be there.
He is not even a calculated point, he is just hypothetical.

Persephone/Proserpina is my story. lol Seriously.
Of all the mythological stories, there is the need for it in my soul. Of course Eros/psyche would be my preferred choice, even Isis and Osiris, or Siva and Parvati, but Pluto/Proserpina is my "karmic resonance" - do not even ask me whta made me write it.

What it is though is a coming of age story, the neccessary growth from a young innocent (unknowing) girl and daughter into a grown (knowing) woman and, yes wife, coming into her own power (and sharing it), instead of being overpowered by either a mother figure or a husband/lover.

The interesting thing is how this all starts with an act of violence (Pluto kidnaps her), but once she made the transformational step (and SHE decided to swallow down those seeds of the pomenagrate! I do not need to tell you what THAT symbolizes, do I?), once she made that step, she became his equal partner and queen of the underworld.

We cannot understand this story, unless we see the relation to CERES/DEMETER as well. Ceres-Proserpina-Pluto. Check the interconnections, too.

Of course it is Eros and Aphrodite who set this whle thing in motion, or actually I think it was them who determined the point in time it would be set in motion. It was as a dormant seed contained in allt he players of this drama from the beginning. Just the timing had to be done, in the form of Cupid`s arrow being shot at Pluto.

posted August 25, 2014 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
It's good?

Indigo or Ceri, i have a natal Juno, Alma, Saturn, Part of Fortune conjunction in my natal chart, all is between 0-2 degree of orb. Juno - Alma is exact, Saturn-POF is 2 degrees away from it.

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It's an extremely transformative relationship. It will change you on some level entirely.

posted August 25, 2014 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
It's good?

I dont know yet, but so far it feels as thou i've known him through all of my past lives.

Indigo or Ceri, i have a natal Juno, Alma, Saturn, Part of Fortune conjunction in my natal chart, all is between 0-2 degree of orb. Juno - Alma is exact, Saturn-POF is 2 degrees away from it.
If a karmic partner , *cough... Soulmte... Cough* appears in my life, which of his planets or points most likely would hit it? And in the radical synastry or the draco synastry?

For example, this one has his Amor and Chiron on top of it, exact 0 degree. And in the draco, it's his Mars.
But i don't think it's has a "special" symbolism, or is it..

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Wow. what a stellium, with Juno-Alma-Saturn-secondary Moon. That looks very significant for karmic relationships definitely.

I would have thought that someones angles, luminaries, nodal axis, soulmate pairings or even Amor or Valentine would hit it.

Well here we have Amor and Chiron. Healing through unconditional love.
Healing can also mean growing and learning, though there will be possibly some pain there, too.

Do you know the feeling if you feel something so deeply, that even though you are not sad or anything like it, it feels almost painful, just through the sheer depth of emotion?

posted August 25, 2014 02:48 PM            

ALMA-JUNO-SATURN?

posted August 25, 2014 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,

no, it is not the slow speed that makes me NOT using Hades. But the fact that he is a hypothetical planet, who could - or could not- be there.
He is not even a calculated point, he is just hypothetical.

Persephone/Proserpina is my story. lol Seriously.
Of all the mythological stories, there is the need for it in my soul. Of course Eros/psyche would be my preferred choice, even Isis and Osiris, or Siva and Parvati, but Pluto/Proserpina is my "karmic resonance" - do not even ask me whta made me write it.

What it is though is a coming of age story, the neccessary growth from a young innocent (unknowing) girl and daughter into a grown (knowing) woman and, yes wife, coming into her own power (and sharing it), instead of being overpowered by either a mother figure or a husband/lover.

The interesting thing is how this all starts with an act of violence (Pluto kidnaps her), but once she made the transformational step (and SHE decided to swallow down those seeds of the pomenagrate! I do not need to tell you what THAT symbolizes, do I?), once she made that step, she became his equal partner and queen of the underworld.

We cannot understand this story, unless we see the relation to CERES/DEMETER as well. Ceres-Proserpina-Pluto. Check the interconnections, too.

Of course it is Eros and Aphrodite who set this whle thing in motion, or actually I think it was them who determined the point in time it would be set in motion. It was as a dormant seed contained in allt he players of this drama from the beginning. Just the timing had to be done, in the form of Cupid`s arrow being shot at Pluto.

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Just wait until you see HATS. It is SOOOO right there.

posted August 25, 2014 03:24 PM            

Interestingly my HADES (22 Taurus) is on the Apex of a Yod with my ast. PROSERPINA (21 Sag) and Mr Sag`s Pluto (21 Libra) on my SAPPHO, MUSA and DNA (20-22 Libra)

his HADES (27 Taurus) making a mystical triangle with my ADONIS (27 Libra) and his ISHTAR (28 Cap), which is sort of fitting if you think about it. The underworldtheme of Isthar and adonis coming up as well.

the hypothetical Proserpina being close to our UNION-UNION-conjunction on 29 Libra and my Uranus on 1 Scorpio.

and well there is sort of a Yod of

his Moon-MC on 28 Sag, Sun on 27 SAg, my Sun on 26 Sag

my hyp. PROSERPINA and both Unions all on 29 Libra

to his

HADES On 27 Taurus, which is exactly opposite my VALENTINE on 27 Scorpio.

also his h Proserpina conjunct my Uranus (1)
my h Hades opposite his Uranus (1)

posted August 25, 2014 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
no, I don't have natal Psyche-Eros, or Isis-Osiris.
Isis is about 10 degrees away from Osiris in my chart.

thank you both for chiming in with your interpretations. Much appreciated.

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In Leo, right? Aha! So, you're born in late-mid October, 1980? Mine are 7º apart. SATURN would be at 3º LIB then, which would jive with the ALMA-JUNO. (My JUNO-ALMA is exact, but my SATURN is 1º.) PLUTO must be near your SUN, too.

Are you aware of the strong likelihood that you're a Graduate Soul and / or Twin Flame? And, depending, you've either got EROS quincunx PSYCHE, or, just not really making an aspect -- which I don't, either.

posted August 25, 2014 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well if you want to use HADES you should use the hypothetical PROSERPINA as well. h57 I think?

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posted August 25, 2014 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

But it's my Twin's chart which came along and put all of these into wild karmic configurations, making an inordinate number of conjunctions in the composite -- including ISIS-OSIRIS. And, of course, JUNO-ALMA.

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Oh, do tell... In what way did he activate your Juno- Alma natal conjunction? Was there strong Saturn and Pluto in your synastry? How was the Draconic synastry ?

posted August 25, 2014 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Oh, do tell... In what way did he activate your Juno- Alma natal conjunction? Was there strong Saturn and Pluto in your synastry? How was the Draconic synastry ?

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For one, he's got his own, but ours are too far from each other actually be in orb, so they're 'conjunct' through the composite's conjunction -- if THAT's not symbolism.

Composite:

Not much in the way of SATURN/PLUTO synastrically -- it's more the close conjunction in the comp.

The Draco always gets me, because of his drSUN being in my nMOON sign, and his drMOON being likewise of my nSUN.

Huh. Our Draco synastry. That's a good question. You know, I'm not sure I've investigated it too deeply. It's always been about The Composite ::fanfare:: for us, so the synastry is essentially, 'ooof, look at that mutual karma you've gotta clear with others ... '

posted August 25, 2014 04:21 PM            

They're ... like mirror ... images.

Oh, breathe.

posted August 25, 2014 04:42 PM            

Having said all that: I DO LOVE the whole mythology aspect of it.

I have Juno/Saturn opp Jupiter. Which I think is fun. Dad daughter opp husband. My Alma is out of orb if we are doing 3deg orbs. (Who is Alma? s/he is not in wiki)

And when you all talk about asteroids I do run and check just for fun and then I go read the myths, which I enjoy very much. They really are the basis of all other works, aren't they? And some are so "tele novela!"

Me and my guy have an exact Venus Apollo conj. Aw...

Keep talking! You give me more fun stuff to research (and there is nothing on TV. :P Muah!

posted August 26, 2014 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I'm not sure I'm all that "into" asteroids. Well, at least it's a bit too complicated for me at this point and I'm probably not all that 'in tune" with them. I can sometimes barely understand/see/get my own plants.

Having said all that: I DO LOVE the whole mythology aspect of it.

I have Juno/Saturn opp Jupiter. Which I think is fun. Dad daughter opp husband. My Alma is out of orb if we are doing 3deg orbs. (Who is Alma? s/he is not in wiki)

And when you all talk about asteroids I do run and check just for fun and then I go read the myths, which I enjoy very much. They really are the basis of all other works, aren't they? And some are so "tele novela!"

Me and my guy have an exact Venus Apollo conj. Aw...

Keep talking! You give me more fun stuff to research (and there is nothing on TV. :P Muah!

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It took me YEARS, Lucie. My mentors were always telling me, 'get the basics!' for at least a decade. I only really 'dove in' (despite learning from Martha Lang-Wescott in the '90s) about 5 years ago -- and with both feet since 2011.

And there's SO much to learn. But the texture and detail they've given my overall understanding is MIND blowing.

posted August 26, 2014 11:41 AM            

The highly concentrated ones always make for a great deal of focus. Do you and your friend / office-mate undertake particular tasks together that are otherwise more important to you both than just 'the usual course of business'. I wonder, because there's definitely some intensity there and drive.

Thing with composites, is that I feel they have to be 'activated' -- and it's hard to tell what activates them.

With my Twin, things get crazy when we're actually in the same physical space. I mean crazy. We almost forget our 'place' with each other, falling into some completely other pattern of relationship -- like the proverbial married couple -- minus the fighting. We're instantly comfortable with each other, super-familiar, and forget where we are. We've both referred to the mutual joy at getting to go to lunch at the same place the following day -- before suddenly remembering that I'm leaving -- just passing through -- in less than an hour. Then a heaviness sets in. He can't deal with it, so he's reacted with an extra special level of anger reserved only for me. (Yay, Scorpio.)

Otherwise, it's all our synastry. THAT's what drives everything. And MOON-SATURN is no bowl of cherries. Rather, SATURN-KARMA-SNODE/MOON. In Scorpio, again, of course. All tightly square his MARS/PSYCHE.

But there's enough 'key and lock' between us that, so long as he's willing to refrain from throwing down the gauntlet -- we're good. And a recent genuine apology is making the possibility of doing our own series -- ohhh, a decade and some change from now -- more likely than not. At least shooting the preview next summer.

At least things are making sense to me now. Time to clear my major karma. Get my first series off the ground. There will be time for the rest.

posted August 26, 2014 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
It took me YEARS, Lucie. My mentors were always telling me, 'get the basics!' for at least a decade. I only really 'dove in' (despite learning from Martha Lang-Wescott in the '90s) about 5 years ago -- and with both feet since 2011.

And there's SO much to learn. But the texture and detail they've given my overall understanding is MIND blowing.

I can honestly say without them I would've never uncovered the truth of what I'm here to do.

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Yes. I need to get the basics down first. But when I read something here that people are talking about, I immediately get fascinated and run off to google to find out more. And the mythology stories I love so much!

I started learning more about astrology to find out my own path. I've gotten distracted though!